TOPIC: My experience, results, and journey (progress pictures)

@Odouble
Yeah no arguing please. Been there and I agree to disagree lol. I’m a Loria patient. He has his own patented filler with the main ingredient being Silikon 1000.

And yeah dude. She loves it! Trust me. They stretch.

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EricPig wrote: @Odouble
Yeah no arguing please. Been there and I agree to disagree lol. I’m a Loria patient. He has his own patented filler with the main ingredient being Silikon 1000.

And yeah dude. She loves it! Trust me. They stretch.

His patent is a proprietary filler non-FDA approved. He's fucked over almost as many men as Dr. Elist. You're literally playing with fire by continuing to see a Doctor who was an overweight nutritionist, who then made his money on Hair Restoration despite balding, and now injects you with things that may or may not be legal. Dr. Loria is a scam and a disgrace to medicine.

You can choose to do what you do, but with the overwhelming advice of the only community that genuinely vets the validity & efficacy of these procedures, choose to ignore or carry on.

I turned down a sizeable amount of revenue when they approached me for Sponsorship. The man is a scourge and plague to this field of cosmetic medicine. The proverbial "sleazy car salesman" of penis enlargement.

Administrative Addition: Between Emails, Private Messages, and conversations with both Sponsors and non-Sponsors alike, I know of what goes on behind the scenes (and it pisses me off these patients won't come forward, and makes me convinced they sign off social media waivers), and he's actually regarded as worse than Dr. Elist, because at least Dr. Elist is a Urologist. Dr. Loria isn't qualified in the least.

The DECEPTION of silicone oil is that it is permanent and often yields aesthetic results. BUT ASK YOUR SELF JUST ONCE - if this product is available to every other credible Phallo-Doc off-label, why wouldn't they use it?

Silikon1000 made clear that this is not made for high volume and should be applied superficially via micro-droplet. I actually no longer believe Loria (from now on I refuse to honor the "Dr." prefix) uses Silikon1000, even if he shows you the box. You know the kind of profit margins you make by importing Chinese silicone oil and throwing around the word "collagen" to convince those who don't know any better that it's like PMMA? I mean, he makes less money if he offers HA, Renuva, Radiesse, or PMMA. He's potentially playing with fire if he's creating a non-FDA approved substance in some Florida lab, if you wish to stay this reckless, by all means.

Skeptical_One wrote:

EricPig wrote: @Odouble
Yeah no arguing please. Been there and I agree to disagree lol. I’m a Loria patient. He has his own patented filler with the main ingredient being Silikon 1000.

And yeah dude. She loves it! Trust me. They stretch.

His patent is a proprietary filler non-FDA approved. He's fucked over almost as many men as Dr. Elist. You're literally playing with fire by continuing to see a Doctor who was an overweight nutritionist, who then made his money on Hair Restoration despite balding, and now injects you with things that may or may not be legal. Dr. Loria is a scam and a disgrace to medicine.

You can choose to do what you do, but with the overwhelming advice of the only community that genuinely vets the validity & efficacy of these procedures, choose to ignore or carry on.

I turned down a sizeable amount of revenue when they approached me for Sponsorship. The man is a scourge and plague to this field of cosmetic medicine. The proverbial "sleazy car salesman" of penis enlargement.

Administrative Addition: Between Emails, Private Messages, and conversations with both Sponsors and non-Sponsors alike, I know of what goes on behind the scenes (and it pisses me off these patients won't come forward, and makes me convinced they sign off social media waivers), and he's actually regarded as worse than Dr. Elist, because at least Dr. Elist is a Urologist. Dr. Loria isn't qualified in the least.

The DECEPTION of silicone oil is that it is permanent and often yields aesthetic results. BUT ASK YOUR SELF JUST ONCE - if this product is available to every other credible Phallo-Doc off-label, why wouldn't they use it?

Silikon1000 made clear that this is not made for high volume and should be applied superficially via micro-droplet. I actually no longer believe Loria (from now on I refuse to honor the "Dr." prefix) uses Silikon1000, even if he shows you the box. You know the kind of profit margins you make by importing Chinese silicone oil and throwing around the word "collagen" to convince those who don't know any better that it's like PMMA? I mean, he makes less money if he offers HA, Renuva, Radiesse, or PMMA. He's playing with fire if he's creating a non-FDA approved substance in some Florida lab, if you wish to stay this reckless, by all means.

@Skeptical_One

Hey man I understand your stance and you have posted this before on my thread. I’m not going to argue anymore and I’d appreciate it if you would stop.

To preface this lengthy response, all posts made on this site are under my domain. I can delete, move, or edit any content as I please at my discretion, with no obligation to provide anyone a reason whatsoever. I'm not sure what made you believe telling the site's Owner to "stop" was going to achieve, especially if we wish to keep the discourse constructive, meaningful, and mature. Yes this is your Progress Report, but you don't own the server space that this topic resides in, and for as long as I believe it is relevant (and within Forum Rules), I'll allow you to have some level of ownership of it. However, myself & the Moderation Team are the final arbiters and we can insert ourselves in any topic if & when necessary.

I wouldn't have reiterated my position had you not mentioned this dangerous "patented filler," which came off as a means of validating this procedure (whether intentional or not). High volume silicone oil in the penis is bad bad bad. It'd be extremely irresponsible for me to stand idly by to allow my readership to believe this methodology has any merit. Hell, his own patent states:

1. A filler composition comprising:
(a) 1% to 80% of a silicone oil having a viscosity from 12500-30000 centistokes (cSt);
(b) 20% to 99% of water; and
(c) 0.005% to 10% of a thickening agent

I mean, is this a joke? Can anyone with patent knowledge please explain why there seems to be a "toss up" in the ratio of ingredients you may get injected? I read the whole patent and a lot of it was speculation on which viscosities would prove more effective, but nothing about exactly what you're getting. Furthermore, no mention of Silikon1000, which further validates my suions he's sourcing cheaper silicone oil like that other Clinic I won't name in Mexico (not Avanti Derma). If he were importing Chinese cement, would you even know? Even if he insists it's Silikon1000, there would be no way for you to know because the concoction was previously formulated in a lab, and you are effectively getting a mystery cocktail. And if he could prove it 100%, it'd still be the worst possible choice of filler to have injected. It's a lose-lose proposition.

Why is it that with every other ethical Doctor, you know exactly what you're getting, but with this Loria guy, it feels like you're at a used-car dealership constantly getting the runaround?

Not to mention that this "proprietary/patented" filler isn't trialed, studied, or peer-reviewed, much less distributed through an actual major manufacturer, although we do have a history of it being a poor quality choice for penile enhancement (silicone oil) from both former patients & experts alike.

If there is indeed no Silikon1000 (and instead an alternative silicone oil), he can't even use the off-label loophole, and since the FDA regulates dermal fillers as medical devices, this may be potentially be some kind of an infraction of sorts. Doctors do and have had license revocations, and even worse, I've read articles on rogue Doctors getting arrested for going beyond the scope of mere malpractice.

He takes advantage of many men who are desperate for size, that's how Dr. Elist made his millions, by luring them into a method that provides the Doctor the highest profit margins at the cost of higher risks to the patient. Loria does so by being one of the biggest investors in penis enlargement advertising on Google that I know of, which I've based off of just how frequently his ads show up whenever I'm running SEO audits. This is how he pulls them in before they get a chance of finding a place like the PhalloBoards because GoogleAds are always listed first (sadly). His fishing lure extends even further, when his site suggested (not sure if it's still there, I refuse to give his website anymore clicks) that gains of 5 inches in length were possible, on top of the absurd amount of Girth achievable via silicone oil -- can you picture how an unsuspecting, uninformed and desperate guy might make the phone call the next morning oblivious to the nuances, history, and risks of this kind of elective procedure?

For a guy who blatantly lied and actually used the term "Cosmetic Surgeon" on his website (not sure if it's still there), that tells you all you need to know -- a surgeon has a much higher level of training and accreditation, with the widest scope of medical s, and Loria spent most his career as a (non-surgeon) Hair Restoration specialist.

I've made clear on many occasions that the PhalloBoards is a No-Silicone-Zone but that doesn't mean men can't share their experiences, good or bad -- it means that this site and all its prestigious Dermatologists, Plastic Surgeons, and Urologists have unanimously condemned the use of high volume silicone oil in the penis. I wasn't arguing with you, it was a Public Service Announcement (PSA) type of reply.

By the way, telling the site's Administrator to "Stop" is like asking a Cop to "Stop" giving you warning tickets because you went slightly above the speed limit. The analogy works the same here, I'm not going to prevent you from posting your experiences despite my disdain for Loria, because the free flow of information is critical... but the moment you assert anything that could validate this procedure will run the risk of misleading my readership, and I refuse to put them in harm's way. So while you may not have been WAY over the speed limit (i.e. violating forum rules and such), any comments that lend credence to this unacceptably risky procedure will receive a warning, every time.

Also food for thought: Why not take money from the Elists and Lorias of the world (who I could even justifiably charge at a premium and I have no doubt they'd pay given their propensity to pump funds into online marketing). What's stopping me from deleting all their negative comments, deleting comments of people critical of these actions, so that all the newcomers to the PhalloBoards wouldn't be the wiser? While I'm by no means rich/wealthy, what I'd charge both Elist & Loria for "airtime" on this platform would probably allow me to make monthly payments on an Aston Martin. However, I'd much rather preserve the integrity of this site, as I'm extremely averse to deceptive practices, especially by those who we should feel we can put our trust in (physicians, law enforcement, politicians, etc). When they cross the line, someone should hold them accountable. In this small niche of a topic (medical Male Enhancement), I've taken on that responsibility, and have done so successfully for over a decade.

I ask we resume the topic at hand -- EricPig's experience(s) and not so much the merit of the procedure itself (unless of course you want me to continuously contest any assertion that gives this "mad science" any credibility). As you said yourself EricPig, you wish not to argue, and I explained why I made the reply I did. So let's settle it here and carry on, thanks.

Youw’ve made these points before 2 pages back. It’s redundant and if we aren’t trying to argue and muddy up the forum then there’s no need to keep repeating yourself. I understand your stance but we could go round and round about this.
While it is true your the administrator on here and can delete, lock, change content and I guess passively saying that you will at some point on my content … is just another example of how bias this forum can be.
When joining all of us came here to look for community but what we don’t realize is that it’s limited to what you have deemed acceptable. While you have the right to your opinion it’s not fact and you’re not the authority on penis enlargement. You not the penis enlargement “cop”. You’re not clinical and hold no more authority than other tenured PE enthusiasts. At the end of the day you’re just like the rest of us. Patients. I am an icu RN and in school for my masters. With that alone I have more authority to speak on medical procedures than you but I don’t make nearly the same claims you do as the “godfather” of penis enlargement. I let people do as they wish. Caution can be provided but patients can do as they wish. I do understand your tenure with this subject and respect your stance. You’re entitled to your opinion and what you choose to do with your health. However, it’s not your responsibility to “guard against” me posting my experience as if you’re saving others who look at it when admiration or inquiry. Nobody asked for you to do that other than maybe your sponsors? Not sure.
While you say that I am allowed to post it’s not backed by your actions. Chasing every post with a “hate Loria” post isn’t “free flowing information” it’s promoting your opinions and agenda. If I’m not allowed to post my journey here then it should be stated clearly what this forum is - a marketing forum for your sponsors and a platform for you and likeminded people. Which is honestly fine. It’s your business after all. But it is something to be said that none of us have full control of what we post since you’re saying you can and have changed what we post to fit your opinion. That’s a little concerning and controlling. Even if you’re not - by saying you can in a subtle threatening way is also wrong. It’s wrong if this is an open forum for penis enlargement but I don’t think it is anymore.

The bottom line facts are this. What Loria is doing isn’t illegal and isn’t fraud. It’s not a scam. He’s been in business too long and preformed on thousands of patients. He’s expanded his practice and has trained many doctors under him who all practice using his patented technique and filler formula. He sells his formula to multiple companies who use it for penis enlargement and other minor augmentations. You can have you opinion about that but it’s not wrong or unethical or illegal. If it was he would have been shut down. We don’t live in a third world country lol.
FDA approval is an extremely time consuming and expensive task. It can takes years and millions to go through the process of drug approval for one use. This is why off label use is wildly used. For example - Wellbutrin is a wildly used antidepressant drug. However, it’s also used for those who are trying to stop smoking. That’s off label use. Loria is doing the same thing here with silikon 1000. He is in the process of getting FDA approval but it will take time. I personally admire a doctor who saw a way to improve a method and is willing to push through the flack he gets from those who prefer to used an older method (still good). In my opinion I feel he has better results and better aesthetics compared to other companies. I also reach goal size sooner. So there are clear advantages to this but again, it’s newer medicine. Not everybody wants to do that. 40 years ago patients post op open were told to be on strick bed rest. We know now that caused poor patient outcomes. We changed and now make open patients walk within 24 hours post op. 40 years ago a doctor who made their patients walk post op received the same flack that Loria is getting. History repeats itself.

To address the comments on his patent- percentages in dosage isn’t wrong. He has the ability to change percentages based on the need of the patient. Everybody’s anatomy is different. That’s within his scope of practice…. Again you would know that if your medical. But you’re not.
Your suion of if it’s silikon 1000 or not … you realize with this level of skepticism I could ask you the same with HA or PMMA … are you watching those doctor draw up from the vial itself? Likely not. Real pmma is extremely expensive. As high 300 dollars a ml. Yet their pricing doesn’t reflect that. Should I be warning guys on here that they are being scammed and are at risk blah blah blah… no. Because we are grown men and can make our own decisions.

I’ve also said this before and I’ll reiterate since that’s apparently needed - you do not have to be board certified to practice in a field of medicine. Particularly with cosmetics on this degree. I work with and neuro surgeons who have cosmetic practices on the side doing filler. This is a weak point.

Also I asked Loria if he reached out to you for sponsorship and he said that he did not. Not sure if there was a miscommunication or what but with the amount of patients he sees I don’t think he’s looking for your help frankly. He did mention that when he started his business he was looking to collaborate with other doctors and was met with resistance. Maybe this is what you’re referring to… it really doesn’t matter.

I will continue to define my decision on choosing Loria just as adamantly as you choose to discredit him. I would love to let this argument be set aside but that’s ultimately up to you. I’m not picking the fight here. It would be nice to see this forum allow for a true since of community but I fear that this isn’t the place for that. I’ll continue to update my threat and I’ll just private message questions to avoid this unpleasant banter.

Lol the autocorrected hearts are interesting here hahaha

First and foremost, my proclamations on the matter come from a multitude of respected physicians with considerably more authority on the subject, so these are not simply my own assumptions.

Secondly, Dr. Loria is a career liar. You have no idea how many times he changed up his vocabulary with respect to his filler and how quickly he'd change subjects. I've joined in on calls, and I've had members join in on conference calls, and he would just toss around gibberish assuming us (the "ignorant") would take his word for it. He would even throw around terms like "PMMA" and "Collagen production" and wouldn't even mention silicone at first. He's so evasive in fact, that there is a former patient on a separate PE forum who shared a story when in the hospital for his penis condition, that Loria refused to give the physicians information on what was injected. Can you believe that? This patient facing infection that could lead to sepsis, and Loria didn't have even the morality to do the right thing for his own patient because he's clearly got something to hide. I really try my hardest to refrain from name-calling as it is not befitting of an Administrator of a site discussing serious topics, but that was such a scumbag move on Loria's part and tells me everything I need to know about who he really is.

When I brought up him using the term "Cosmetic Surgeon," it wasn't meant to say that you need to be a surgeon to perform these procedures, it was to say he was lying about his medical background because he's in-fact NOT a surgeon in any capacity.

Yes, I received an email from his marketing rep, not himself obviously. He's too proud and stubborn to ever make the first move. I've defended Sponsors and Non-Sponsors alike. I'm open to new Sponsors. Ask yourself why I won't accept Loria? Why not take his money? Ask yourself why the vast majority of penis enlargement doctors don't include silicone oil as a filler option when they can use Silikon100 off-label? Do you really truly believe this Hair Restoration "specialist" has figured out what career-accomplished surgeons and urologists haven't?

Having followed the scene since 2005 and learned the nuances of the penis and these procedures from the Doctors themselves sort of actually does amount to the same kind of "credits" you'd need to earn to have some above-average understanding of the topic matter -- more so than a random "nurse" I'd contend. I've spent countless hours reading not only posts, but private messages, emails, and other modes of communication for well over a decade with both patients and Doctors (some of which were non-Sponsors). I've studied sexual medicine to the extent that I have a good understanding of anatomy and some of the physiologies involved, especially as it pertains to penis enlargement. Sure, I'm not a medical professional, but I do see myself as the most qualified Patient Educator there is (on matters of penis enlargement). Either way, my claims are made on the information provided to me by those who are in the know, and many of them.

Clearly your schooling has not made you any smarter on making good decisions in this respect, and I'm afraid not even a Doctorate will solve your inability to see the patterns of deception -- but I get it, the last thing you want to think about is having a ticking timebomb in your penis, so you have to double down on defending your poorly made decision by reassuring yourself that because you've had some medical training, that you're incapable of being scammed. You know, no one likes being scammed, it's a tough pill to swallow as a grown adult. Besides, an ICU Nurse? I seldom "LOL" on this forum but I know a few personally (ICU in fact), and I assure you they wouldn't have a damn clue about the nuances of penis enlargement, so kick rocks with that nonsense please.

Dr. Elist has been performing his botcheries circa 2009, and we all know how terrible his procedure is. Dr. Loria's patient count doesn't give him any points, all it tells me is that he's a sociopath for cash.

Yes, many of the Doctors I know of actually show the box, or at the very least, will have the box and serial number sticker per request.

You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?

Do you actually believe he changes the ratios of his filler ingredients per patient on the day of the procedure? Right there and then in his lab by just examining your penis? I mean that seems rather tedious, inefficient, and costly. Did you have to wait a while before he came into the room with the syringes? Seems bizarre if you ask me. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager a pretty penny he has a set ratio premade ready to go, largely that of silicone oil that is imported illegally in order to give him absurd profit margins. Last I checked, Silikon1000 was the 2nd most expensive filler, only behind Bellafill (PMMA), and looking at some price lists right now, may have exceeded that of Bellafill. To pump the kind of volumes you require with this type of filler (60cc's +) and keep his pricing market-competitive, I'm having a hard time believing he's using anything legally. But you just haven't asked yourself those kind of questions, have you? I'm trying to do you a favor here, if you can only see it.

What you ultimately fail to see is that this site promotes the efficacious methods of Phalloplasty based on its history, the science/medicine behind it, and patient feedback. The PhalloBoards is the only site, community, and validated source (via physician education & endorsement) that has followed this niche topic, and has done so for 13 years. It isn't bias, it's reality. If it were bias, why would I provide my readership with different options like Alloderm, Surgimend, Ellanse, Hyaluronic Acid, Radiesse, PMMA (Bellafill AND Linnea Safe), Renuva, Fat Transfer, and so on? PRP and exosomes? Different regions, states, different countries? Do you think some of my Sponsors were thrilled that P-Long came along? Well, it was an alternative to Phalloplasty for guys who like to do PE exercises. By encouraging healthy competition, I play a role in lowering market costs and incentivizing innovation among the leaders in Phalloplasty. I have weekly/monthly calls and can't wait for them to share some advances made that I'm not at liberty to speak of at present time (because they need to be fully tested). I'm clearly taking the sides of methods I know don't possess unacceptable levels of risk based on a knowledge that you simply do not have -- if that's bias, fine, I'll concede that much. And yes, all elective procedures are not without risk, but there is a line that when crossed, becomes unacceptable.

If this wasn't an open free flow of information, wouldn't I have simply deleted your posts and banned you? If you want to continue insulting this forum and its community, then you can go take a hike. We've been very receptive to your experience(s), but I've stated on innumerable occasions that this site is a No-Silicone-Zone, and so whenever the procedure itself is promoted or recommended, I've made it a forum policy to provide the necessary information to many newcomers who are simply unaware. If hypothetically PMMA (known to be non-carcinogenic) were to somehow have a 100% direct causality with cancer, not only would most ethical Doctors discontinue its use, but those who choose not to would be admonished and black-listed.

I've seen enough emails of Loria patients begging for assistance, and Doctors telling me the nightmares they've seen fixing his garbage-excuse for work. This is also true for the Penuma (Elist implant). However, I just don't get that level of scary reporting from the aforementioned procedures I support (like HA and PMMA and so on). Those mostly deal with aesthetic issues that never impact the health and/or function of the penis.

Oof, the kind of skin grafts required to fix a Loria procedure gone wrong, or the severity of late stage granulomas with something so synthetic, or migration into other parts of the body... I know of a forum veteran who I won't mention that is experiencing illness that may be related to silicone oil according to some back-channel sources, if I get confirmation that the diagnosis is confirmed (or get him willing to acknowledge it here), I will.

Lastly, you told me you didn't want to argue, and I made clear my post was a PSA in response to what may have been an intentional or unintentional promotion of this procedure (citing patents give people the impression of legitimacy), and it wasn't necessarily to argue with you. I also asked in my last post that we carry on, because as you said yourself, you wish not to argue. Everything I've said has been factual, honest, and informed. The only thing I said that I can't prove (but believe the evidence is strongly in favor of) is my belief that he sources/imports silicone illegally because there is no way he's charging those prices for the amount of volume being injected, even in bulk. Everything else were facts, plain and simple.

Based on your insistence that there are no more arguments, I am politely asking everyone please resume the topic at hand.

Thanks for looking out for us Skeptical _One. I agree with you 100 percent I never liked Loria based on instinct alone, when you add everything about the guy
with facts and figures. It is pure common sense to keep away from him. In 3 - 5 years time when things start to go terribly wrong for that one guy he impressed, we don't want a bunch of other good people to go down with him.

Stay away from Loria guys he is trouble.

The best way to describe Loria is that he is like the guys in the westerns that would show up in town selling snake oil and cures for every ailment with 1 bottle. Guys please, do your research. Don't expect Skeptical_One alone to protect you.

And I'm not saying Erig Pig is a bad guy, not at all. The villain here is Loria and him alone.

If it’s not indiscretion around how much should I be saving to come up with a whole progress like that?

Skeptical_One wrote: First and foremost, my proclamations on the matter come from a multitude of respected physicians with considerably more authority on the subject, so this is not simply my own assumptions.

Secondly, Dr. Loria is a career liar. You have no idea how many times he changed up his vocabulary with respect to his filler and how quickly he'd change subjects. I've joined in on calls, and I've had members join in on conference calls, and he would just toss around gibberish assuming us (the "ignorant") would take his word for it. He would even throw around terms like "PMMA" and "Collagen production" and wouldn't even mention silicone at first. He's so evasive in fact, that there is a former patient on a separate PE forum who shared a story when in the hospital for his penis condition, that Loria refused to give the physicians information on what was injected. Can you believe that? This patient facing infection that could lead to sepsis, and Loria didn't have even the morality to do the right thing for his own patient because he's clearly got something to hide. I really try my hardest to refrain from name-calling as it is not befitting of an Administrator of a site discussing serious topics, but that was such a scumbag move on Loria's part and tells me everything I need to know about who he really is.

When I brought up him using the term "Cosmetic Surgeon," it wasn't meant to say that you need to be a surgeon to perform these procedures, it was to say he was lying about his medical background because he's in-fact NOT a surgeon in any capacity.

Yes, I received an email from his marketing rep, not himself obviously. He's too proud and stubborn to ever make the first move. I've defended Sponsors and Non-Sponsors alike. I'm open to new Sponsors. Ask yourself why I won't accept Loria? Why not take his money? Ask yourself why the vast majority of penis enlargement doctors don't include silicone oil as a filler option when they can use Silikon100 off-label? Do you really truly believe this Hair Restoration "specialist" has figured out what career-accomplished surgeons and urologists haven't?

Having followed the scene since 2005 and learned the nuances of the penis and these procedures from the Doctors themselves sort of actually does amount to the same kind of "credits" you'd need to earn to have some above-average understanding of the topic matter -- more so than a random "nurse" I'd contend. I've spent countless hours reading not only posts, but private messages, emails, and other modes of communication for well over a decade with both patients and Doctors (some of which were non-Sponsors). I've studied sexual medicine to the extent that I have a good understanding of anatomy and some of the physiologies involved, especially as it pertains to penis enlargement. Sure, I'm not a medical professional, but I do see myself as the most qualified Patient Educator there is (on matters of penis enlargement). Either way, my claims are made on the information provided to me by those who are in the know, and many of them.

Clearly your schooling has not made you any smarter on making good decisions in this respect, and I'm afraid not even a Doctorate will solve your inability to see the patterns of deception -- but I get it, the last thing you want to think about is having a ticking timebomb in your penis, so you have to double down on defending your poorly made decision by reassuring yourself that because you've had some medical training, that you're incapable of being scammed. You know, no one likes being scammed, it's a tough pill to swallow as a grown adult. Besides, an ICU Nurse? I seldom "LOL" on this forum but I know a few personally (ICU in fact), and I assure you they wouldn't have a damn clue about the nuances of penis enlargement, so kick rocks with that nonsense please.

Dr. Elist has been performing his botcheries circa 2009, and we all know how terrible his procedure is. Dr. Loria's patient count doesn't give him any points, all it tells me is that he's a sociopath for cash.

Yes, many of the Doctors I know of actually show the box, or at the very least, will have the box and serial number sticker per request.

You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?

Do you actually believe he changes the ratios of his filler ingredients per patient on the day of the procedure? Right there and then in his lab by just examining your penis? I mean that seems rather tedious, inefficient, and costly. Did you have to wait a while before he came into the room with the syringes? Seems bizarre if you ask me. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager a pretty penny he has a set ratio premade ready to go, largely that of silicone oil that is imported illegally in order to give him absurd profit margins. Last I checked, Silikon1000 was the 2nd most expensive filler, only behind Bellafill (PMMA), and looking at some price lists right now, may have exceeded that of Bellafill. To pump the kind of volumes you require with this type of filler (60cc's +) and keep his pricing market-competitive, I'm having a hard time believing he's using anything legally. But you just haven't asked yourself those kind of questions, have you? I'm trying to do you a favor here, if you can only see it.

What you ultimately fail to see is that this site promotes the efficacious methods of phalloplasty based on its history, the science/medicine behind it, and patient feedback. The PhalloBoards is the only site, community, and validated source (via physician education & endorsement) that has followed this niche topic, and has done so for 13 years. It isn't bias, it's reality. If it were bias, why would I provide my readership with different options like Alloderm, Surgimend, Ellanse, Hyaluronic Acid, Radiesse, PMMA (Bellafill AND Linnea Safe), Renuva, Fat Transfer, and so on? PRP and exosomes? Different regions, states, different countries? Do you think some of my Sponsors were thrilled that P-Long came along? Well, it was an alternative to phalloplasty for guys who like to do PE exercises. By encouraging healthy competition, I play a role in lowering market costs and incentivizing innovation among the leaders in phalloplasty. I have weekly/monthly calls and can't wait for them to share some advances made that I'm not at liberty to speak of at present time (because they need to be fully tested). I'm clearly taking the sides of methods I know don't possess unacceptable levels of risk based on a knowledge that you simply do not have -- if that's bias, fine, I'll concede that much. And yes, all elective procedures are not without risk, but there is a line that when crossed, becomes unacceptable.

If this wasn't an open free flow of information, wouldn't I have simply deleted your posts and banned you? If you want to continue insulting this forum and its community, then you can go take a hike. We've been very receptive to your experience(s), but I've stated on innumerable occasions that this site is a No-Silicone-Zone, and so whenever the procedure itself is promoted or recommended, I've made it a forum policy to provide the necessary information to many newcomers who are simply unaware. If hypothetically PMMA (known to be non-carcinogenic) were to somehow have a 100% direct causality with cancer, not only would most ethical Doctors discontinue its use, but those who choose not to would be admonished and black-listed.

I've seen enough emails of Loria patients begging for assistance, and Doctors telling me the nightmares they've seen fixing his garbage-excuse for work. This is also true for the Penuma (Elist implant). However, I just don't get that level of scary reporting from the aforementioned procedures I support (like HA and PMMA and so on). Those mostly deal with aesthetic issues that never impact the health and/or function of the penis.

Oof, the kind of skin grafts required to fix a Loria procedure gone wrong, or the severity of late stage granulomas with something so synthetic, or migration into other parts of the body... I know of a forum veteran who I won't mention that is experiencing illness that may be related to silicone oil according to some back-channel sources, if I get confirmation that the diagnosis is confirmed (or get him willing to acknowledge it here), I will.

Lastly, you told me you didn't want to argue, and I made clear my post was a PSA in response to what may have been an intentional or unintentional promotion of this procedure (citing patents give people the impression of legitimacy), and it wasn't necessarily to argue with you. I also asked in my last post that we carry on, because as you said yourself, you wish not to argue. Everything I've said has been factual, honest, and informed. The only thing I said that I can't prove (but believe the evidence is strongly in favor of) is my belief that he sources/imports silicone illegally because there is no way he's charging those prices for the amount of volume being injected, even in bulk. Everything else were facts, plain and simple.

Based on your insistence that there are no more arguments, I am politely asking everyone please resume the topic at hand.

I agree with you to move on. I don’t really care to address many of the above comments since it will just keep this discussion going. However I do want to be clear that use of medications off label (the use of drugs outside the approved FDA intention) is in fact legal. Also to that point as the below link will highlight- doctors are not required to tell patients if the medications they are prescribing are being done in an “off label” manner. However Loria does.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/inf...on-medications/2012-

07#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20many%20physicians%20prescribe,of%20informed%20consent%20is%20introduced.

www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off...hat-you-need-to-know

I understand that to those who are not medical this might come as a shock but I just wanted to clear that up that it is not illegal. So please make sure your sticking to your word when you profess to be educated on these matters and putting down healthcare workers and their educations when it’s us who care for you and your loved ones.

I also wanna comment that I don’t think you’re a bad dude. I appreciate that you care and take a strong stance in your opinion. I do believe you truly dislike Loria and his practice and want to convince guys to avoid him. I completely disagree with your view but you’re entitled to feel how you do.
I encourage everyone to not take your word nor my word and to do their own research and speak to patients from all companies to get their experiences.

EricPig wrote:

Skeptical_One wrote: First and foremost, my proclamations on the matter come from a multitude of respected physicians with considerably more authority on the subject, so this is not simply my own assumptions.

Secondly, Dr. Loria is a career liar. You have no idea how many times he changed up his vocabulary with respect to his filler and how quickly he'd change subjects. I've joined in on calls, and I've had members join in on conference calls, and he would just toss around gibberish assuming us (the "ignorant") would take his word for it. He would even throw around terms like "PMMA" and "Collagen production" and wouldn't even mention silicone at first. He's so evasive in fact, that there is a former patient on a separate PE forum who shared a story when in the hospital for his penis condition, that Loria refused to give the physicians information on what was injected. Can you believe that? This patient facing infection that could lead to sepsis, and Loria didn't have even the morality to do the right thing for his own patient because he's clearly got something to hide. I really try my hardest to refrain from name-calling as it is not befitting of an Administrator of a site discussing serious topics, but that was such a scumbag move on Loria's part and tells me everything I need to know about who he really is.

When I brought up him using the term "Cosmetic Surgeon," it wasn't meant to say that you need to be a surgeon to perform these procedures, it was to say he was lying about his medical background because he's in-fact NOT a surgeon in any capacity.

Yes, I received an email from his marketing rep, not himself obviously. He's too proud and stubborn to ever make the first move. I've defended Sponsors and Non-Sponsors alike. I'm open to new Sponsors. Ask yourself why I won't accept Loria? Why not take his money? Ask yourself why the vast majority of penis enlargement doctors don't include silicone oil as a filler option when they can use Silikon100 off-label? Do you really truly believe this Hair Restoration "specialist" has figured out what career-accomplished surgeons and urologists haven't?

Having followed the scene since 2005 and learned the nuances of the penis and these procedures from the Doctors themselves sort of actually does amount to the same kind of "credits" you'd need to earn to have some above-average understanding of the topic matter -- more so than a random "nurse" I'd contend. I've spent countless hours reading not only posts, but private messages, emails, and other modes of communication for well over a decade with both patients and Doctors (some of which were non-Sponsors). I've studied sexual medicine to the extent that I have a good understanding of anatomy and some of the physiologies involved, especially as it pertains to penis enlargement. Sure, I'm not a medical professional, but I do see myself as the most qualified Patient Educator there is (on matters of penis enlargement). Either way, my claims are made on the information provided to me by those who are in the know, and many of them.

Clearly your schooling has not made you any smarter on making good decisions in this respect, and I'm afraid not even a Doctorate will solve your inability to see the patterns of deception -- but I get it, the last thing you want to think about is having a ticking timebomb in your penis, so you have to double down on defending your poorly made decision by reassuring yourself that because you've had some medical training, that you're incapable of being scammed. You know, no one likes being scammed, it's a tough pill to swallow as a grown adult. Besides, an ICU Nurse? I seldom "LOL" on this forum but I know a few personally (ICU in fact), and I assure you they wouldn't have a damn clue about the nuances of penis enlargement, so kick rocks with that nonsense please.

Dr. Elist has been performing his botcheries circa 2009, and we all know how terrible his procedure is. Dr. Loria's patient count doesn't give him any points, all it tells me is that he's a sociopath for cash.

Yes, many of the Doctors I know of actually show the box, or at the very least, will have the box and serial number sticker per request.

You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?

Do you actually believe he changes the ratios of his filler ingredients per patient on the day of the procedure? Right there and then in his lab by just examining your penis? I mean that seems rather tedious, inefficient, and costly. Did you have to wait a while before he came into the room with the syringes? Seems bizarre if you ask me. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager a pretty penny he has a set ratio premade ready to go, largely that of silicone oil that is imported illegally in order to give him absurd profit margins. Last I checked, Silikon1000 was the 2nd most expensive filler, only behind Bellafill (PMMA), and looking at some price lists right now, may have exceeded that of Bellafill. To pump the kind of volumes you require with this type of filler (60cc's +) and keep his pricing market-competitive, I'm having a hard time believing he's using anything legally. But you just haven't asked yourself those kind of questions, have you? I'm trying to do you a favor here, if you can only see it.

What you ultimately fail to see is that this site promotes the efficacious methods of phalloplasty based on its history, the science/medicine behind it, and patient feedback. The PhalloBoards is the only site, community, and validated source (via physician education & endorsement) that has followed this niche topic, and has done so for 13 years. It isn't bias, it's reality. If it were bias, why would I provide my readership with different options like Alloderm, Surgimend, Ellanse, Hyaluronic Acid, Radiesse, PMMA (Bellafill AND Linnea Safe), Renuva, Fat Transfer, and so on? PRP and exosomes? Different regions, states, different countries? Do you think some of my Sponsors were thrilled that P-Long came along? Well, it was an alternative to phalloplasty for guys who like to do PE exercises. By encouraging healthy competition, I play a role in lowering market costs and incentivizing innovation among the leaders in phalloplasty. I have weekly/monthly calls and can't wait for them to share some advances made that I'm not at liberty to speak of at present time (because they need to be fully tested). I'm clearly taking the sides of methods I know don't possess unacceptable levels of risk based on a knowledge that you simply do not have -- if that's bias, fine, I'll concede that much. And yes, all elective procedures are not without risk, but there is a line that when crossed, becomes unacceptable.

If this wasn't an open free flow of information, wouldn't I have simply deleted your posts and banned you? If you want to continue insulting this forum and its community, then you can go take a hike. We've been very receptive to your experience(s), but I've stated on innumerable occasions that this site is a No-Silicone-Zone, and so whenever the procedure itself is promoted or recommended, I've made it a forum policy to provide the necessary information to many newcomers who are simply unaware. If hypothetically PMMA (known to be non-carcinogenic) were to somehow have a 100% direct causality with cancer, not only would most ethical Doctors discontinue its use, but those who choose not to would be admonished and black-listed.

I've seen enough emails of Loria patients begging for assistance, and Doctors telling me the nightmares they've seen fixing his garbage-excuse for work. This is also true for the Penuma (Elist implant). However, I just don't get that level of scary reporting from the aforementioned procedures I support (like HA and PMMA and so on). Those mostly deal with aesthetic issues that never impact the health and/or function of the penis.

Oof, the kind of skin grafts required to fix a Loria procedure gone wrong, or the severity of late stage granulomas with something so synthetic, or migration into other parts of the body... I know of a forum veteran who I won't mention that is experiencing illness that may be related to silicone oil according to some back-channel sources, if I get confirmation that the diagnosis is confirmed (or get him willing to acknowledge it here), I will.

Lastly, you told me you didn't want to argue, and I made clear my post was a PSA in response to what may have been an intentional or unintentional promotion of this procedure (citing patents give people the impression of legitimacy), and it wasn't necessarily to argue with you. I also asked in my last post that we carry on, because as you said yourself, you wish not to argue. Everything I've said has been factual, honest, and informed. The only thing I said that I can't prove (but believe the evidence is strongly in favor of) is my belief that he sources/imports silicone illegally because there is no way he's charging those prices for the amount of volume being injected, even in bulk. Everything else were facts, plain and simple.

Based on your insistence that there are no more arguments, I am politely asking everyone please resume the topic at hand.

I agree with you to move on. I don’t really care to address many of the above comments since it will just keep this discussion going. However I do want to be clear that use of medications off label (the use of drugs outside the approved FDA intention) is in fact legal. Also to that point as the below link will highlight- doctors are not required to tell patients if the medications they are prescribing are being done in an “off label” manner. However Loria does.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/inf...on-medications/2012-

07#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20many%20physicians%20prescribe,of%20informed%20consent%20is%20introduced.

www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off...hat-you-need-to-know

I understand that to those who are not medical this might come as a shock but I just wanted to clear that up that it is not illegal. So please make sure your sticking to your word when you profess to be educated on these matters and putting down healthcare workers and their educations when it’s us who care for you and your loved ones.

I also wanna comment that I don’t think you’re a bad dude. I appreciate that you care and take a strong stance in your opinion. I do believe you truly dislike Loria and his practice and want to convince guys to avoid him. I completely disagree with your view but you’re entitled to feel how you do.
I encourage everyone to not take your word nor my word and to do their own research and speak to patients from all companies to get their experiences.

No one once disputed the use of dermal fillers off-label as being legal or illegal. Every Sponsor, like most cosmetic doctors & surgeons, use fillers off-label and the FDA is well aware and typically don't intervene. Many medications are prescribed off-label all the time. No one here is shocked, it's common knowledge and It doesn't take an ICU Nurse to know this... not only does this make you sound embarrassingly pretentious, but makes me believe you didn't bother to read a word I typed, and yet still had the audacity to reply with something that was never being argued in the first place.

My point overall was NOT about off-label use, but rather my suion that he's acquired (i.e. imported) non-FDA approved silicone oil, which would then make it a matter of legality. You would have known this if you read what I typed, but again, I feel like you're selectively ignoring details in my posts for whatever reason(??). The amount of volume he injects (60cc's-100cc's +) using Silikon1000 is cost prohibitive, yet he somehow offers competitive market rates for girth enhancement... this explains my skepticism about what he's injecting people with. I'm not claiming I know with certainty that this is going on, and maybe never will, but his history of being a liar and his reckless willingness of injecting silicone oil AT ALL in addition to the cost-per-volume disparity, who wouldn't ask questions?

My other contention was that silicone oil is a dangerous choice of filler for high volume in the penis from various credible sources over decades monitoring the topic of male phalloplasty. When the Penuma Implant has complications, you usually see it in the first year or two so you tend to see more negative reports more frequently; the scary part about something like silicone oil is that it can take 3, 5, or more years for serious complications to manifest. The lymphatic system is going to go through hell, especially if this isn't medical-grade silicone oil (even then it wouldn't matter a whole lot). Risks like silicone migration (embolisms are no joke), or granulomas that are much more difficult to treat because the matter is oil and not tissue, and so on, are real problems I hear about from credible sources.

In hopefully what will be my last summary on this matter: (1) silicone oil is bad as a penile filler and (2) I have suions of his actual filler concoction (despite my inability to prove it). Every other sane, ethical Doctor uses brand name fillers that come in neatly packaged boxes. Dr. Loria is now not only a "Cosmetic Surgeon" (which he isn't) but a Pharmaceutical Manufacturer as well? I mean, come on man.

This will be the third time I politely ask you resume the topic at hand, my response was made to clear up what was most definitely a misunderstanding on your part (off-label legality was never the issue). Now that I've cleared that up in addition to reiterating my sentiments in fewer paragraphs so that my stance is understood, and not something I care to argue, carry on. I don't think you're a bad person or an unappreciated forum member either, and I sincerely hope you don't ever have to deal with complications that stem from your injections (and maybe you never will) -- my comments were aimed at Loria and his quackery is all. Again, let's carry on.

Your previous comment stated that, and I quote “You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?”. So yes you most certainly did say it was illegal. Which is incorrect.

EricPig wrote: Your previous comment stated that, and I quote “You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?”. So yes you most certainly did say it was illegal. Which is incorrect.

Jesus. Again, are you just selectively reading every other sentence? What I said was that he's injecting you with a patented concoction that you yourself said he's trying to acquire FDA approval for. Why would he need that approval if not for legality's sake? He's effectively manufacturing a new medical device (fillers are regarded as such) and this is regulated by the FDA. He never explicitly states he injects you with pure Silikon1000 off-label (never mind how insanely expensive that would be for how much he injects per session), or else this wouldn't have been a discussion.

You still aren't reading a thing I typed, only to shoot yourself in the foot yet again. Second reply so off-base that I'm just scratching my head at this point. Big Oof.

Having FDA approval for a filler that you patented is a smart move for multiple reasons. I’m only addressing the point that you made that it’s “illegal”. Because you speak with certainty but… you don’t have it. I’m just trying to make you see that what your issue is a feeling. It’s not fact. Which again. You’re entitled to. But the accusations against Loria are unsubstantiated. You don’t have to go to him nor like him. But you can’t say things like “he’s injecting illegally” and have your members read that and take your word for it. That’s false.
He also does state that is what he is injecting. That’s well known in the office and website. It’s also on the consents we sign before procedures. But tell you what. Next time I go I’ll have them show me the vials lol. Which is something I know doesn’t happen at any of these other companies. But… I’ll do that to quiet this.

I’ll “resume the topic at hand” as soon as you let me. But I’m not going to not reply when your challenging me.