TOPIC: Considering the elist implant

I am kind of curious why you are here? Given you haven\'t received the warmest welcome, apologies for that, and that you knew that this was not the place where you were going to optimistically chat up Elist and his implant - you knew that when you logged on since you had read the board previously.

Do you want to correct the record about Elist? Not saying you are a shill, I\'m just wondering what you hope to get out of being on here since you will probably not be making friends defending Elist. No one wants to see anything bad happen to you - but no one wants some poor kid reading your posts either and thinking his implant is a good idea. It can take a decade or more to get out of the woods once things go wrong. Those can frequently be some of your prime adult years. At the same time, I feel bad for you defending a procedure you just had when guys tell you how absolutely horrible it could all go.

I think you will find people are torn between accepting you as a member undergoing PE and repelled by your sort of blase/optimistic attitude about Elist and his implant. Not blaming you for being optimistic but a lot of guys on here are not going to let you figuratively sell your successful experience either, especially the guys that had the misfortune of crossing his path. But you sort of knew all this when you joined - so that is why I am wondering what you want from this board?

By the way, he is not out of business for 1 reason. If something goes horribly wrong with your implant, will you feel comfortable about suing him and in the process outing yourself as the guy that had a silicone implant put in his small Dick so he could get over his size insecurity? This includes your coworkers, family, friends and neighbors knowing - probably not. That\'s why you are jjk and I am 10003. Aside from the embarrassment, there is the demoralization and financial resources needed to sue as well. It\'s not like the average guy is going to call his dad and say \"my Phalloplasty surgeon was a butcher\" - and the dad will say \"don\'t worry we are going to sue the shit out of him and get you whole.\"

Like I said I hope you have a success story but I also hope you keep it to yourself so some young guy comes along and follows your path which may or may not change a lot over the next year.

jjk wrote: I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

I highlighted the above. Can you explain how your penile skin was rolled over, which means it had to be cut around the penis at the end of the glans; this is called degloving, when your pix show the typical elist huge uneven incision at the base of your stomach?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Consider this; PacificOcean starts a thread about his consideration to get elist implant, he comes to this board, now he says he is NOT going to get the implant, jjk apears out of no where, talks about his experience, PacificOcean hasn\'t said a word about his thread being hijacked by jjk...hmmmm...We need detective Columbo here!

\"not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time.\"

From the reports I\'ve read this can\'t be more wrong.. This has also been mentioned in this very thread! Why do you ignore it and insist you will gain more length over time? Becouse the doc with the nickname \"the butcher of Hollywood\" said so? It has been proven by many members here and elsewhere that You WILL loose lenght

And when shit hits the fan, and you have to take it out, it will be even worse..

Dr. Elist did not inform me that I would lose length (initially) and only told me after I phoned him and told him about the lost length. At first he attributed it to the swelling from the surgery and then he told me it may take a while for me to get the length back. I had my implant removed back in 2009 (before this board was created). I had no idea that it would actually retract after the removal. When I called him and told him that my length had retracted a further 3 inches, he assured me again that it was just from the trauma of the surgery....

I am the only impant recipient that I know of that has been able to regain his full length back. Dr. Elist was so pleased that I was able to do this, he had other patients contact me to reassure them that the length would come back. He eventually put me in touch with about 10 other patients (who were all basically )....It was horrible.
The carnage was so pulpble. If there was a visual, it would be akin to that battle scene of Gone with the Wind, where thousands of bloodied soldiers were lying dead or mortally wounded on the battlefield....

Quick Fun fact: Dr. Elist actually told me that my implant was the only one that had ever become infected and had to be removed.. When he told me that, my sank because I knew I was talking to a liar. Why? Because another guy on the Mynewsize site messaged me that same day and told me and he had had his Just removed (due to infection) the previous day.
Now you are going to have to make a choice here Jjk. Either I am a liar or the doctor that you have invested a lot of trust in is a liar...
Who do you believe?

Most of the other guys (victims) could not get their lengths back..Often times they would allude to ....
The thing is, Dr. Elist is dealing with (already) emotionally fragile men who have penis size issues (among other issues). And instead of giving these men a bigger penis, he ultimately gives them a much smaller (and dysfunctional) one.

In my case, and all other men I know (who had received the implant), he nowhere near gave us enough information to make an informed decision. He says the complication rate is extremely low. This is absolutely false because statistically speaking, out of all the men I know of that have had the implant, all of them experienced serious complications and removals...And this is including over a dozen me who I knew before they underwent the procedure...So this discredits your (and Dr. Elist\'\'s) theory that only men who have problems with the implant gravitate to this board.

Can I ask you a question JjK? Does Dr. Elist know you are on the board? Because he knew I was on the \"MyNewSize\" site back in 2009 posting glowing reports about him. We discussed how \"to get the word out\".

Let me ask you another thing... If you were a doctor, how would your conscience feel if you enlarged 95 penises but destroyed 5? Do you think the needs of the many outweigh the miseries of the few? Would you feel good about yourself? Now if I were to tell you the complication rate is probably much higher (in the majority even) , and the enlargement is basically a plastic dildo that feels ridiculous...
Do you think the gains from procedure is worth destroying other men\'s sex lives?
And the men are not properly informed of these issues before the operation.. how would you feel doing this procedure to another human being? Do you think the doctor doing this could be categorized as a sociopath?

Right now your answer will be visceral...Denial..I was the same as you...
Please read the accounts on this board ...Also go to Thunders.org. That board also has some beauty acccouts of the implant. There are men who have posted before, during, and after (removal). There is not one positive account anywhere...other than Dr. Elsit\'s website and a few (very dubious) accounts here.....
This is not a mass conspiracy to undermine Dr. Elsit\'s profit margin. It\'s a desperate cry of warning to stop men from making a mistake they will regret for the rest of their lives.
I hope any man who is considering the implant to reconsider.
And...Just so you know. I am a very busy man. I have a career that eats a lot of my time. I make no money from this site (as do none of the other moderators). I just feel it\'s my responsibility as a decent human being to help stop this doctor from hurting more men...

As I said in earlier posts...I came to this site to be able to chat with people who had the surgery and were also recovering from the surgery to compare experiences as this is such a unique experience. Instead this is a site of a group of people who ultimately have nothing good to say about the Elist procedure and are determined to discourage anyone to have the procedure and bully anyone who has anything positive to say about it and be labelled as a \"shill\". At first I thought many of you were shills for competitors of Dr. Elist...now I have concluded that you are people that did indeed have the surgery but had a result that didn\'t meet your expectations. I made the choice to have the surgery and so far so good. I see no reason to post in here any more because this isn\'t the type of chat room I was looking for. I wanted to speak with people recovering from the surgery and those who had it within the last couple of years. Trying to prove to the members in here that I am not a shill or stupid or a \"thread hijacker\"...whatever the fuck that is...is tiring and a waste of time. I\'m sorry you folks had a bad outcome with your surgery and I will hope that my experience ends more happily than yours. I have had the surgery so it serves no purpose to dwell on all of the negativity in here.

Wow I must say I\'m impressed with how lightly you take the numerous cases of VERY bad results (we are not talking results \"not up to their expectations\" here.. More like \"will I even have a functioning Dick after this\")

That.. And your inability or unwilling to understand what they are trying to tell you..

@jjk
The following pictures are what dr Elist did to one of our members, the longer you have your implant in, the more likely this is to happen to you
At the end of the day the reason many of us speak to passionately to you about Elist is because we\'re concerned about your welfare.

Jjk
If this discourse between us has stopped (even) one man from having that dildo inserted into his penis, all the time I have spent writing these posts will have been worth it.
When you eventually have to have the implant removed (you will) , remember there will be no hard feelings over here.
Take a good look at the pictures above...I would be happy to message you my pictures as well....
The reason we \"dwell on the negativity\" is to stop some new poor soul who has happened upon your \"good so far\" result and decides to undergo the procedure.
We\'re the good guys....Don\'t forget that...


One last thing...You wrote: \" I came to this site to be able to chat with people who had the surgery and were also recovering from the surgery to compare experiences as this is such a unique experience\".

I have a wonderful idea! Since Dr. Elist is doing so many implants a week (he must have done thousands by now), his clinic should set up his own chatboard and let all the implantees communicate with each other (in a very transparent forum) . How about giving him this fantastic idea? You could all support each other and follow each other\'s progress. The doctor could also participate and answer questions (if need be). It would also be great advertising for his clinic..Members could give weekly, monthly , and yearly progress reports on things such as length gains, implant stability etc...
How receptive do you think this sociopath will be to this idea? Please ask yourself why he wouldn\'t do it in a million years.

As I suspected, They pull out when the going gets tough. He could not explain the \" roll the penile skin over\" when he had a single straight incision on his stomach.

He was either a shill or a \"discounted\" customer who got a little discount from genius elist to come on this board and talk about how wonderful the implant is.

I also find it strange that our elist gay couple are not posting any more. I hope they are not having the \"eventual\" problems. We are here to support them.

Some how with jjk supposedly south Florida \"attorney\" training, it should have prevented him from going with the implant reading how he was asking for evidence about elsit implant Removal when \"HE\" had tons of evidence about the problems with the elist implant. Just too many things don\'t Jive!

BTW, Messageman; you are an angel. You were there for me at my lowest point of my life and you helped me through the whole thing as you have done many other elist victims on this board.

God, Buddha, the Greek Gods, Anti matter and the skies have a great place for you in the heavens.

Keep it up buddy.

Brotherly love!!!

jjk wrote: As I said in earlier posts...I came to this site to be able to chat with people who had the surgery and were also recovering from the surgery to compare experiences as this is such a unique experience. Instead this is a site of a group of people who ultimately have nothing good to say about the Elist procedure and are determined to discourage anyone to have the procedure and bully anyone who has anything positive to say about it and be labelled as a \"shill\". At first I thought many of you were shills for competitors of Dr. Elist...now I have concluded that you are people that did indeed have the surgery but had a result that didn\'t meet your expectations. I made the choice to have the surgery and so far so good. I see no reason to post in here any more because this isn\'t the type of chat room I was looking for. I wanted to speak with people recovering from the surgery and those who had it within the last couple of years. Trying to prove to the members in here that I am not a shill or stupid or a \"thread hijacker\"...whatever the fuck that is...is tiring and a waste of time. I\'m sorry you folks had a bad outcome with your surgery and I will hope that my experience ends more happily than yours. I have had the surgery so it serves no purpose to dwell on all of the negativity in here.

Dude, you just don\'t get it!!!!!

Get that thing out of your Dick ASAP!!!! You admit to losing an Inch of EL, you WILL lose more EL the longer you keep it.

If you are real, PM me, I will give you my phone and we can talk.

YOU WILL NEED HELP SOON....You will be too embarrassed to come back here for help if you go away now. You will be on your own. Mark my words. elsit will remove it and keep the scar tissue in your shaft on purpose because he gets pissed off with people who dare to remove it. You will have and Inch OR MORE of EL LOSS! You will have Peyronie\'s, guaranteed.

You will regret NOT listening to us for the rest of your life.....

All this BS, is \"IF\" you are real!

I think we should all lay off the guy now. It was never personal against him, always Elist.

Hopefully it will all work out for you jjk and I hope you understand why we\'ve seemed harsh on you. It was only ever about warning others, as so many guys have been left devastated by Elists handy work.

Agree!!!!

What I don\'t get is how any guy could come to this site, read the information here, and still go through with the surgery. It\'s mind baffling to me. When jjk first wrote, I thought right away - fake. But then he posted some pics, and did admit to some bad side effects. I thought well maybe he\'s real, but something seems off. He continues to insist that in a year or so he will gain all the EL back, and then some. I just had to sit back and watch this unfold. Now, I\'m not sure jjk is for real or not. If he\'s fake, good riddance.

If you are real jjk, I wish you luck with your new elist implant. I hope it works out for you, but I am extremely doubtful. I feel sorry for you, that you got duped into being another victim. I\'m not saying that to be mean, I am trying to get you to be a realist. It\'s a stabilization device attached between two fixed points. That, together with the trauma to the shaft, how can it be good for you? The scar tissue forming which elist refers to as capsule, is not good either. It\'s the last thing you want to hear. You have convinced yourself to go through with it despite all the warnings here, you must be in denial. I could understand if you discovered this site after you had the procedure, but you had the elist surgery having been to this site and learning for yourself what the possible outcome would probably be. That\'s why Mustang, chester, briceb, pat and I, among others, have been skeptical of you. It just doesn\'t make logical sense. But you are a lawyer? Then you talked about the procedure in a way that sounds like a different one altogether, with the penis skin being peeled back like a banana. I hope if you are real that you stay here, and give us all regular updates. I will be very curious to learn of your progress. Again, good luck. I wish you the best. I\'m just so confused.

On a different note, someone here mentioned the german zentrum. I got so excited, I immediately went to that site and read up on the \"ground breaking method\" they have there. I was so close to booking a flight to Germany right then and there. But of course I had to read about it here before I got my hopes too high. Turns out it is just another old, disproved method (lig cutting, fat injection) that are more dangerous then helpful. They have a glans enlarging surgery that involves inserting forgien material under the skin of the glans. Sound familiar?

I think that It\'s best to just find a way to be happy with your original equipment. I know I have small nuts. I wish I didn\'t, but heck, I do. So I just have to find a way to be ok with it. For example I recently ordered a ball stretcher from oxballs. A smaller one so one of my nuts wont fall through constantly - no laughing. I\'m gonna have some fun and wear it under my underpants and go for a walk, and try and enjoy the feeling of having a decent package for once. I like this site a lot. I\'m intrigued and horrified at the same time. I\'m grateful to Mustang, messageman, briceb, and all the guys here who have shared your experience with noobs like me.

Reklaw wrote: @messageman
I\'m glad you put the time and effort in to raise awareness of how dangerous this man and his procedure is.

How it going with megafill