TOPIC: Considering the elist implant

As I said in earlier posts...I came to this site to be able to chat with people who had the surgery and were also recovering from the surgery to compare experiences as this is such a unique experience. Instead this is a site of a group of people who ultimately have nothing good to say about the Elist procedure and are determined to discourage anyone to have the procedure and bully anyone who has anything positive to say about it and be labelled as a \"shill\". At first I thought many of you were shills for competitors of Dr. Elist...now I have concluded that you are people that did indeed have the surgery but had a result that didn\'t meet your expectations. I made the choice to have the surgery and so far so good. I see no reason to post in here any more because this isn\'t the type of chat room I was looking for. I wanted to speak with people recovering from the surgery and those who had it within the last couple of years. Trying to prove to the members in here that I am not a shill or stupid or a \"thread hijacker\"...whatever the fuck that is...is tiring and a waste of time. I\'m sorry you folks had a bad outcome with your surgery and I will hope that my experience ends more happily than yours. I have had the surgery so it serves no purpose to dwell on all of the negativity in here.

Dr. Elist did not inform me that I would lose length (initially) and only told me after I phoned him and told him about the lost length. At first he attributed it to the swelling from the surgery and then he told me it may take a while for me to get the length back. I had my implant removed back in 2009 (before this board was created). I had no idea that it would actually retract after the removal. When I called him and told him that my length had retracted a further 3 inches, he assured me again that it was just from the trauma of the surgery....

I am the only impant recipient that I know of that has been able to regain his full length back. Dr. Elist was so pleased that I was able to do this, he had other patients contact me to reassure them that the length would come back. He eventually put me in touch with about 10 other patients (who were all basically suicidal)....It was horrible.
The carnage was so pulpble. If there was a visual, it would be akin to that battle scene of Gone with the Wind, where thousands of bloodied soldiers were lying dead or mortally wounded on the battlefield....

Quick Fun fact: Dr. Elist actually told me that my implant was the only one that had ever become infected and had to be removed.. When he told me that, my sank because I knew I was talking to a liar. Why? Because another guy on the Mynewsize site messaged me that same day and told me and he had had his Just removed (due to infection) the previous day.
Now you are going to have to make a choice here Jjk. Either I am a liar or the doctor that you have invested a lot of trust in is a liar...
Who do you believe?

Most of the other guys (victims) could not get their lengths back..Often times they would allude to suicide....
The thing is, Dr. Elist is dealing with (already) emotionally fragile men who have penis size issues (among other issues). And instead of giving these men a bigger penis, he ultimately gives them a much smaller (and dysfunctional) one.

In my case, and all other men I know (who had received the implant), he nowhere near gave us enough information to make an informed decision. He says the complication rate is extremely low. This is absolutely false because statistically speaking, out of all the men I know of that have had the implant, all of them experienced serious complications and removals...And this is including over a dozen me who I knew before they underwent the procedure...So this discredits your (and Dr. Elist\'\'s) theory that only men who have problems with the implant gravitate to this board.

Can I ask you a question JjK? Does Dr. Elist know you are on the board? Because he knew I was on the \"MyNewSize\" site back in 2009 posting glowing reports about him. We discussed how \"to get the word out\".

Let me ask you another thing... If you were a doctor, how would your conscience feel if you enlarged 95 penises but destroyed 5? Do you think the needs of the many outweigh the miseries of the few? Would you feel good about yourself? Now if I were to tell you the complication rate is probably much higher (in the majority even) , and the enlargement is basically a plastic dildo that feels ridiculous...
Do you think the gains from procedure is worth destroying other men\'s sex lives?
And the men are not properly informed of these issues before the operation.. how would you feel doing this procedure to another human being? Do you think the doctor doing this could be categorized as a sociopath?

Right now your answer will be visceral...Denial..I was the same as you...
Please read the accounts on this board ...Also go to Thunders.org. That board also has some beauty acccouts of the implant. There are men who have posted before, during, and after (removal). There is not one positive account anywhere...other than Dr. Elsit\'s website and a few (very dubious) accounts here.....
This is not a mass conspiracy to undermine Dr. Elsit\'s profit margin. It\'s a desperate cry of warning to stop men from making a mistake they will regret for the rest of their lives.
I hope any man who is considering the implant to reconsider.
And...Just so you know. I am a very busy man. I have a career that eats a lot of my time. I make no money from this site (as do none of the other moderators). I just feel it\'s my responsibility as a decent human being to help stop this doctor from hurting more men...

For me the people who had the surgery recently...mine was January 23rd...is relevant because I am still in the healing stage and want to see how others are recovering. I did get a private message sent to me from someone who had the surgery 9 years ago with the old 2 piece implant...mine is a one piece. He is going to have his replaced soon with the newer version. He lost more Erect length than me...2 inches post op compared to my 1 Inch. He had an issue with scar tissue so that he could regain his Erect length which was 6. He now is at 6.5. He used weights etc to get there. I hope I don\'t need to do that.

A comment I would make is that people in here should be more welcoming to newcomers into the forum... Especially people who have already had the surgery because I made the choice to do it and maybe others can learn from my experience...good and bad. At least people can know that what I\'m saying is true and offered with no ulterior motive. Many might read my posts and think...hey, I don\'t want to wait 8 months to see final results and have to live with a smaller than before Erect penis. Regardless, the Girth gain is great and undeniable

*There is a lot of skepticism on this board because we have had a large number of Elist shills (infiltrating our board) who have tried to con men into undergoing this risky procedure in the past. I am sure when you were perusing this website you came across these Elist shills and saw how they were exposed (beyond a shadow of a doubt).
*Members here are skeptical because they can\'t understand why anybody would undergo such a risky procedure with so much evidence pointing to the danger of the Implant.
*i don\'t think the issue is the 8 months it takes to get your length back (which is untrue)...The issue is that the implant will eventually have to be removed and it will lead to permanent damage to your penis.

You are saying that a member on here has had the implant for 9 years and messaged you? And he has never changed
his implant once?
I am truly surprised (but do believe you) because out of all the implant recipients (dozens) I have had contact with (dating back to 2009), I don\'t know one that still has it in.
And these are including recipients I met on the old Elist shill site (My NewSize)....We all encouraged each other to get it...
We were told there was only a 2% chance of it ever having to be removed (due to complications). The doctor did tell us that some men had to have it removed because it was just too big and the partners couldn\'t take the size. Of course the doctor let us know if it were removed, there would be no complications . I guess he didn\'t know about the scar tissue and retraction issues at that time.
You also say he used weights (with the implant) to regain his length? I do know that until very recently, any form of stretcher or weights were discouraged by Elist because it might dislodge the implant.

Anybody who has been on PhalloBoards and other (unbiased websites such as Thunders.org) for as long as I have think of Dr. Elist as a liar, manipulator, and sociopath.. It\'s that simple. Why? Please type in Elist into the search engine and truly read read each thread. It will take you hours but you will be much more informed ..You will see the pain and suffering this man has caused....
And you certainly won\'t need to ask why people are being so skeptical or unwelcoming of you (at first)..



Again, good luck with the Implant...

jjk wrote: Here are some pics. I thank you in advance mustang for your apology LMFAO

No problem jjk, you are now an elite member of the elist victims club (EVC, LOL) such as Messageman, Dane, myself and others.

My challenge produced exactly what was expected..Thx man!

I am still surprised you signed those papers being an attorney and all. I did sign them papers while elist hands was covering most of them to keep me from reading them. I am an Engineer so I was, am, very stupid for signing them...I read them AFTER the operation!!! how can an intelligent man do this? I guess the glory of having a big penis was way overwhelming, as I suspect was the case with you.

Hey, let\'s see how it develops for you. But I am telling you right now, there is NO way you will gain any length, in fact you WILL lose EL. I hope you do not mind the truth!

As MM said, good luck!

I hope you keep posting your progress, good or bad. You will get the proper support here.

Those Germans at Deutchses zentrum Urology now have have an extensive article on their website warning people the most dangerous procedure is Dr Elists implant, apparently Prof Lemperle has spoken publicly about it.
It absolutely blows my mind how he gets away with it, no normal person would be capable of getting away with it for so long, he has to be a sociopath.

I hope you can understand where guys are coming from with their initial distrust. There has been such a bad history with Elist, going back many years.

I wish you hadn\'t gone with him, but I always say that this is such a personal and individualized decision and experience. What is right for someone else may not be right for you and vice versa. I truly hope that you are lucky and do not experience the complications that others have faced.

You are absolutely welcome here.

I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

jjk wrote: I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

His patent is worthless. Anyone in the world can insert sheets of silicone. Elist has patents for designs, but he doesn\'t use them. It\'s just a marketing scam. His last enlargement patent was from 2001 and we know that design was such a disaster that Elist abandoned it and reverted to FFT and Dermal Grafts. It\'s like when he claims his procedure is FDA approved, when really all it means is that silicone implants are FDA approved. It\'s like claiming Alloderm, HA, PMMA or FFT are FDA approved. It\'s just marketing. Trust nothing the guy tells you. We aren\'t trying to be assholes to you. It\'s just you\'ve got to remember thousands of guys read these forums, so we can\'t always be as sensitive to needs of individuals as we\'d like. I genuinely hate causing stress and anxiety for guys, as I\'ve been through it myself. Ideally I\'d only tell you positive things, but if we do that others will come along, read it and think the Elist procedure is safe.

elist IS NOT doing 4 implants a day. His office is busy because he does other surgeries too.

He has, however, removed 99.9% if ALL the implants that he inserted. So many of these people in the office are waiting in the room for a world of hurt, Removal!
Time will prove these words.

The implant itself sits on the penile shaft causing friction and damage to the shaft every second of the day. Scar tissue ( elist misleadingly calls it: capsule) develops as a result and the longer it stays in the worse the damage is. Once removed, the penis is in shock and scar tissue causes further damage and retraction is inevitable. Many victims have suffered from Peyronie\'s disease. MY shaft used to \"slightly\" curve LEFT and up. Now it curves a lot more RIGHT and more up. I have tried for years to fix it with no success. I have lost EL due to the implant. Overall, Messageman and I fared well considering other victims cases.

jjk, I am still skeptical about you but I am also open minded, but in no way I wish any harm to come to you in any way from that poor excuse of a Dr.

H10, as usual, you are correct in your statements.

The need of the many outweigh the need of the few!!

Mustang...I\'m not sure why you are still skeptical about me. I did mention that his videos and website are somewhat misleading so I\'m just calling it as I see it...good and bad. As to whether he is doing 4 surgeries a day...I do believe he is. On the day of my surgery there were 2 other guys there to get it done also as they had to go to the pharmacy by his office as did I. He had many guys there to get surgery when I went for the follow up visits so if the week I went is representative of his practice then I believe what Dr. Ali told me. You say he has removed 99% of all the implants. I don\'t believe that. What evidence do you have to support that assertion other than the fact that you had yours removed and you know some others have as well. If what you were saying were true he would be out of business. He has been doing this surgery for a long time which is one of the main reasons I went forward with the surgery. You can get away with doing wrong for a while but not for a decade or more. This is not to say that he hasn\'t had patients with bad outcomes. Surgery is surgery and a each person\'s body can react different to a foreign body being placed in it.

I am kind of curious why you are here? Given you haven\'t received the warmest welcome, apologies for that, and that you knew that this was not the place where you were going to optimistically chat up Elist and his implant - you knew that when you logged on since you had read the board previously.

Do you want to correct the record about Elist? Not saying you are a shill, I\'m just wondering what you hope to get out of being on here since you will probably not be making friends defending Elist. No one wants to see anything bad happen to you - but no one wants some poor kid reading your posts either and thinking his implant is a good idea. It can take a decade or more to get out of the woods once things go wrong. Those can frequently be some of your prime adult years. At the same time, I feel bad for you defending a procedure you just had when guys tell you how absolutely horrible it could all go.

I think you will find people are torn between accepting you as a member undergoing PE and repelled by your sort of blase/optimistic attitude about Elist and his implant. Not blaming you for being optimistic but a lot of guys on here are not going to let you figuratively sell your successful experience either, especially the guys that had the misfortune of crossing his path. But you sort of knew all this when you joined - so that is why I am wondering what you want from this board?

By the way, he is not out of business for 1 reason. If something goes horribly wrong with your implant, will you feel comfortable about suing him and in the process outing yourself as the guy that had a silicone implant put in his small Dick so he could get over his size insecurity? This includes your coworkers, family, friends and neighbors knowing - probably not. That\'s why you are jjk and I am 10003. Aside from the embarrassment, there is the demoralization and financial resources needed to sue as well. It\'s not like the average guy is going to call his dad and say \"my Phalloplasty surgeon was a butcher\" - and the dad will say \"don\'t worry we are going to sue the shit out of him and get you whole.\"

Like I said I hope you have a success story but I also hope you keep it to yourself so some young guy comes along and follows your path which may or may not change a lot over the next year.

jjk wrote: I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

I highlighted the above. Can you explain how your penile skin was rolled over, which means it had to be cut around the penis at the end of the glans; this is called degloving, when your pix show the typical elist huge uneven incision at the base of your stomach?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Consider this; PacificOcean starts a thread about his consideration to get elist implant, he comes to this board, now he says he is NOT going to get the implant, jjk apears out of no where, talks about his experience, PacificOcean hasn\'t said a word about his thread being hijacked by jjk...hmmmm...We need detective Columbo here!

\"not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time.\"

From the reports I\'ve read this can\'t be more wrong.. This has also been mentioned in this very thread! Why do you ignore it and insist you will gain more length over time? Becouse the doc with the nickname \"the butcher of Hollywood\" said so? It has been proven by many members here and elsewhere that You WILL loose lenght

And when shit hits the fan, and you have to take it out, it will be even worse..