TOPIC: Considering the elist implant

I hope you can understand where guys are coming from with their initial distrust. There has been such a bad history with Elist, going back many years.

I wish you hadn\'t gone with him, but I always say that this is such a personal and individualized decision and experience. What is right for someone else may not be right for you and vice versa. I truly hope that you are lucky and do not experience the complications that others have faced.

You are absolutely welcome here.

I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

jjk wrote: I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

His patent is worthless. Anyone in the world can insert sheets of silicone. Elist has patents for designs, but he doesn\'t use them. It\'s just a marketing scam. His last enlargement patent was from 2001 and we know that design was such a disaster that Elist abandoned it and reverted to FFT and Dermal Grafts. It\'s like when he claims his procedure is FDA approved, when really all it means is that silicone implants are FDA approved. It\'s like claiming Alloderm, HA, PMMA or FFT are FDA approved. It\'s just marketing. Trust nothing the guy tells you. We aren\'t trying to be assholes to you. It\'s just you\'ve got to remember thousands of guys read these forums, so we can\'t always be as sensitive to needs of individuals as we\'d like. I genuinely hate causing stress and anxiety for guys, as I\'ve been through it myself. Ideally I\'d only tell you positive things, but if we do that others will come along, read it and think the Elist procedure is safe.

elist IS NOT doing 4 implants a day. His office is busy because he does other surgeries too.

He has, however, removed 99.9% if ALL the implants that he inserted. So many of these people in the office are waiting in the room for a world of hurt, Removal!
Time will prove these words.

The implant itself sits on the penile shaft causing friction and damage to the shaft every second of the day. Scar tissue ( elist misleadingly calls it: capsule) develops as a result and the longer it stays in the worse the damage is. Once removed, the penis is in shock and scar tissue causes further damage and retraction is inevitable. Many victims have suffered from Peyronie\'s disease. MY shaft used to \"slightly\" curve LEFT and up. Now it curves a lot more RIGHT and more up. I have tried for years to fix it with no success. I have lost EL due to the implant. Overall, Messageman and I fared well considering other victims cases.

jjk, I am still skeptical about you but I am also open minded, but in no way I wish any harm to come to you in any way from that poor excuse of a Dr.

H10, as usual, you are correct in your statements.

The need of the many outweigh the need of the few!!

Mustang...I\'m not sure why you are still skeptical about me. I did mention that his videos and website are somewhat misleading so I\'m just calling it as I see it...good and bad. As to whether he is doing 4 surgeries a day...I do believe he is. On the day of my surgery there were 2 other guys there to get it done also as they had to go to the pharmacy by his office as did I. He had many guys there to get surgery when I went for the follow up visits so if the week I went is representative of his practice then I believe what Dr. Ali told me. You say he has removed 99% of all the implants. I don\'t believe that. What evidence do you have to support that assertion other than the fact that you had yours removed and you know some others have as well. If what you were saying were true he would be out of business. He has been doing this surgery for a long time which is one of the main reasons I went forward with the surgery. You can get away with doing wrong for a while but not for a decade or more. This is not to say that he hasn\'t had patients with bad outcomes. Surgery is surgery and a each person\'s body can react different to a foreign body being placed in it.

I am kind of curious why you are here? Given you haven\'t received the warmest welcome, apologies for that, and that you knew that this was not the place where you were going to optimistically chat up Elist and his implant - you knew that when you logged on since you had read the board previously.

Do you want to correct the record about Elist? Not saying you are a shill, I\'m just wondering what you hope to get out of being on here since you will probably not be making friends defending Elist. No one wants to see anything bad happen to you - but no one wants some poor kid reading your posts either and thinking his implant is a good idea. It can take a decade or more to get out of the woods once things go wrong. Those can frequently be some of your prime adult years. At the same time, I feel bad for you defending a procedure you just had when guys tell you how absolutely horrible it could all go.

I think you will find people are torn between accepting you as a member undergoing PE and repelled by your sort of blase/optimistic attitude about Elist and his implant. Not blaming you for being optimistic but a lot of guys on here are not going to let you figuratively sell your successful experience either, especially the guys that had the misfortune of crossing his path. But you sort of knew all this when you joined - so that is why I am wondering what you want from this board?

By the way, he is not out of business for 1 reason. If something goes horribly wrong with your implant, will you feel comfortable about suing him and in the process outing yourself as the guy that had a silicone implant put in his small Dick so he could get over his size insecurity? This includes your coworkers, family, friends and neighbors knowing - probably not. That\'s why you are jjk and I am 10003. Aside from the embarrassment, there is the demoralization and financial resources needed to sue as well. It\'s not like the average guy is going to call his dad and say \"my Phalloplasty surgeon was a butcher\" - and the dad will say \"don\'t worry we are going to sue the shit out of him and get you whole.\"

Like I said I hope you have a success story but I also hope you keep it to yourself so some young guy comes along and follows your path which may or may not change a lot over the next year.

jjk wrote: I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

I highlighted the above. Can you explain how your penile skin was rolled over, which means it had to be cut around the penis at the end of the glans; this is called degloving, when your pix show the typical elist huge uneven incision at the base of your stomach?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Consider this; PacificOcean starts a thread about his consideration to get elist implant, he comes to this board, now he says he is NOT going to get the implant, jjk apears out of no where, talks about his experience, PacificOcean hasn\'t said a word about his thread being hijacked by jjk...hmmmm...We need detective Columbo here!

\"not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time.\"

From the reports I\'ve read this can\'t be more wrong.. This has also been mentioned in this very thread! Why do you ignore it and insist you will gain more length over time? Becouse the doc with the nickname \"the butcher of Hollywood\" said so? It has been proven by many members here and elsewhere that You WILL loose lenght

And when shit hits the fan, and you have to take it out, it will be even worse..

Dr. Elist did not inform me that I would lose length (initially) and only told me after I phoned him and told him about the lost length. At first he attributed it to the swelling from the surgery and then he told me it may take a while for me to get the length back. I had my implant removed back in 2009 (before this board was created). I had no idea that it would actually retract after the removal. When I called him and told him that my length had retracted a further 3 inches, he assured me again that it was just from the trauma of the surgery....

I am the only impant recipient that I know of that has been able to regain his full length back. Dr. Elist was so pleased that I was able to do this, he had other patients contact me to reassure them that the length would come back. He eventually put me in touch with about 10 other patients (who were all basically )....It was horrible.
The carnage was so pulpble. If there was a visual, it would be akin to that battle scene of Gone with the Wind, where thousands of bloodied soldiers were lying dead or mortally wounded on the battlefield....

Quick Fun fact: Dr. Elist actually told me that my implant was the only one that had ever become infected and had to be removed.. When he told me that, my sank because I knew I was talking to a liar. Why? Because another guy on the Mynewsize site messaged me that same day and told me and he had had his Just removed (due to infection) the previous day.
Now you are going to have to make a choice here Jjk. Either I am a liar or the doctor that you have invested a lot of trust in is a liar...
Who do you believe?

Most of the other guys (victims) could not get their lengths back..Often times they would allude to ....
The thing is, Dr. Elist is dealing with (already) emotionally fragile men who have penis size issues (among other issues). And instead of giving these men a bigger penis, he ultimately gives them a much smaller (and dysfunctional) one.

In my case, and all other men I know (who had received the implant), he nowhere near gave us enough information to make an informed decision. He says the complication rate is extremely low. This is absolutely false because statistically speaking, out of all the men I know of that have had the implant, all of them experienced serious complications and removals...And this is including over a dozen me who I knew before they underwent the procedure...So this discredits your (and Dr. Elist\'\'s) theory that only men who have problems with the implant gravitate to this board.

Can I ask you a question JjK? Does Dr. Elist know you are on the board? Because he knew I was on the \"MyNewSize\" site back in 2009 posting glowing reports about him. We discussed how \"to get the word out\".

Let me ask you another thing... If you were a doctor, how would your conscience feel if you enlarged 95 penises but destroyed 5? Do you think the needs of the many outweigh the miseries of the few? Would you feel good about yourself? Now if I were to tell you the complication rate is probably much higher (in the majority even) , and the enlargement is basically a plastic dildo that feels ridiculous...
Do you think the gains from procedure is worth destroying other men\'s sex lives?
And the men are not properly informed of these issues before the operation.. how would you feel doing this procedure to another human being? Do you think the doctor doing this could be categorized as a sociopath?

Right now your answer will be visceral...Denial..I was the same as you...
Please read the accounts on this board ...Also go to Thunders.org. That board also has some beauty acccouts of the implant. There are men who have posted before, during, and after (removal). There is not one positive account anywhere...other than Dr. Elsit\'s website and a few (very dubious) accounts here.....
This is not a mass conspiracy to undermine Dr. Elsit\'s profit margin. It\'s a desperate cry of warning to stop men from making a mistake they will regret for the rest of their lives.
I hope any man who is considering the implant to reconsider.
And...Just so you know. I am a very busy man. I have a career that eats a lot of my time. I make no money from this site (as do none of the other moderators). I just feel it\'s my responsibility as a decent human being to help stop this doctor from hurting more men...

As I said in earlier posts...I came to this site to be able to chat with people who had the surgery and were also recovering from the surgery to compare experiences as this is such a unique experience. Instead this is a site of a group of people who ultimately have nothing good to say about the Elist procedure and are determined to discourage anyone to have the procedure and bully anyone who has anything positive to say about it and be labelled as a \"shill\". At first I thought many of you were shills for competitors of Dr. Elist...now I have concluded that you are people that did indeed have the surgery but had a result that didn\'t meet your expectations. I made the choice to have the surgery and so far so good. I see no reason to post in here any more because this isn\'t the type of chat room I was looking for. I wanted to speak with people recovering from the surgery and those who had it within the last couple of years. Trying to prove to the members in here that I am not a shill or stupid or a \"thread hijacker\"...whatever the fuck that is...is tiring and a waste of time. I\'m sorry you folks had a bad outcome with your surgery and I will hope that my experience ends more happily than yours. I have had the surgery so it serves no purpose to dwell on all of the negativity in here.

Wow I must say I\'m impressed with how lightly you take the numerous cases of VERY bad results (we are not talking results \"not up to their expectations\" here.. More like \"will I even have a functioning Dick after this\")

That.. And your inability or unwilling to understand what they are trying to tell you..

@jjk
The following pictures are what dr Elist did to one of our members, the longer you have your implant in, the more likely this is to happen to you
At the end of the day the reason many of us speak to passionately to you about Elist is because we\'re concerned about your welfare.

Jjk
If this discourse between us has stopped (even) one man from having that dildo inserted into his penis, all the time I have spent writing these posts will have been worth it.
When you eventually have to have the implant removed (you will) , remember there will be no hard feelings over here.
Take a good look at the pictures above...I would be happy to message you my pictures as well....
The reason we \"dwell on the negativity\" is to stop some new poor soul who has happened upon your \"good so far\" result and decides to undergo the procedure.
We\'re the good guys....Don\'t forget that...


One last thing...You wrote: \" I came to this site to be able to chat with people who had the surgery and were also recovering from the surgery to compare experiences as this is such a unique experience\".

I have a wonderful idea! Since Dr. Elist is doing so many implants a week (he must have done thousands by now), his clinic should set up his own chatboard and let all the implantees communicate with each other (in a very transparent forum) . How about giving him this fantastic idea? You could all support each other and follow each other\'s progress. The doctor could also participate and answer questions (if need be). It would also be great advertising for his clinic..Members could give weekly, monthly , and yearly progress reports on things such as length gains, implant stability etc...
How receptive do you think this sociopath will be to this idea? Please ask yourself why he wouldn\'t do it in a million years.

As I suspected, They pull out when the going gets tough. He could not explain the \" roll the penile skin over\" when he had a single straight incision on his stomach.

He was either a shill or a \"discounted\" customer who got a little discount from genius elist to come on this board and talk about how wonderful the implant is.

I also find it strange that our elist gay couple are not posting any more. I hope they are not having the \"eventual\" problems. We are here to support them.

Some how with jjk supposedly south Florida \"attorney\" training, it should have prevented him from going with the implant reading how he was asking for evidence about elsit implant Removal when \"HE\" had tons of evidence about the problems with the elist implant. Just too many things don\'t Jive!

BTW, Messageman; you are an angel. You were there for me at my lowest point of my life and you helped me through the whole thing as you have done many other elist victims on this board.

God, Buddha, the Greek Gods, Anti matter and the skies have a great place for you in the heavens.

Keep it up buddy.

Brotherly love!!!