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messageman, which style bib hanger did you use? You have had pmma right? Havent\' been on in a while so I lose track of who\'s had what. I\'m also looking into a hanger as the grip doesn\'t work for me anymore post pmma. If you are post op, can you talk a little about your hanging experience with the bib and let me know which model it was? Thanks

Started using the bib hanger 2 days ago. Going with 2.5lbs everyday for 10 minutes and I\'ll work my way up In weights from there. Hoping this, with serracore pills and Kenelog shots can help over the next 3 months otherwise I\'ll be following you into surgery.

Update at nearly 5 weeks out: Current EL hitting between 4.5\"-4.75\" and EG around 5.5\". FL between 3.5\"-4\" and FG around 4.5\". Overall, I\'m doing and feeling great. Sex has been great when I\'m lucky enough to get it (damn pregnancy discomfort). I have my old EL (5.5\") in sight, and hope to go beyond it into 6\" territory if possible. This week I began swapping out my unelaborate 5-minute stretches with the following routine: www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.p...3d5dfb4c59a1b5f637a5 It\'s been helpful, but I find it necessary to watch porn in order to get the 80% erection when jelqing. Anybody does this while jelqing? I\'ve been pumping every other day, and will likely have to drop to a narrower cyllander (as it\'s pulling my scrotum into the chamber with my penis). Anybody experience this? I had to take a few days off from hanging, as I got blisters on the top of my glans. I should be back in hanging business by tomorrow. I\'m reserving the bib hanger for non-pump days beginning next week.

I\'m 5 weeks post-removal tomorrow and now have a long road and who knows how long time to even get back to normal. Here\'s my quick story in a nutshell:

Had it put in me in late 2011 cause I felt like I needed a self esteem boster. I was 5.5x5.5 erect pre-implant. Paid the same fees as described above yet no horror stories during the travel and implant insertion.

Yet, when i went home and for the 3 weeks after i had a urinary track infection-like symptoms (hospital said there was no infection...) from hell, peeing tissue and large chunks of blood out of my penis every 20s-1m. So, I was sleep deprived and passed out on the floor and couch several times waking up in puddles of bloody urine screaming in agony. Longest, scariest time of my life.

That\'s when I first found these boards in my desperation for help... Too late to stop what I had done but i believe it was Messageman whom consolled me and walked me back from the brink. (Thanks brother, I really owe you big time )

2 months in, things are healing nicely but my member looks like a thing out of horror books. My penis was 4\" in length and 7.5\" girth at the base, coming down to a 5.5 at my glans... Condoms were unusable and sex was out of the question... I lived like that for a little over a year and was deeply depressed. Even contemplated suicide among other things. And I was generally an upbeat, half glass full kind of guy.

Finally decided last month enough was enough. Take it out of me regardless the cost. Now I\'m left with a 4x5.5(6 at base) penis with absolutely no sensation on the top of the entire shaft including the head and glands of my penis. I could quite literally stick a needle in my top glans And would feel nothing.

I don\'t know what the future holds, I cant use the bib hanger because my fella is too small and I\'m refusing to date because of my embarassment. I have a considerable amount of issues not mentioned above including discoloration that won\'t go away, extra subpubescent bulge making my member look like 3.5 instead of the bone pressed 4 ive been left with and my erect state is no longer firm but playdoughy, especially on the top. I\'m no longer sure if i can ever reach my goal of 7x6 due to this implant and have seriously considered getting lipo to remove the bulge and pmma to even out the penis.

I\'ve also been trying to post here for help and guidance from similar persons but most of my questions have gone unanswered, probably because no one knows or I\'m in a unique position? Regardless, I\'m here for anyone who is going or will need to go through the same ordeal. I\'ll answer what I can the BS you\'ll hear such as the VitB and Folic Acid supplements the good doc tells you to take to revitalize the sensation does not work. Nor does anything else they have ever said.

Please.. please avoid Dr. Elist if you care to continue living a normal and healthy life.

bostonman5555 wrote: Thanks Messageman! Knowing that what I\'m using is the same type of ADS that you used, I\'ll stick with it and purchase a leg harness and additional weight. I believe I\'ll also purchase the Bib Hanger for supplementary hanging. Do you mind sharing your typical daily schedule encompassing manual stretching, your ADS and your BibHanger? Forgive the deep queries into your personal history, but I would be crazy to pass up the opportunity to emulate your routine in order to achieve your results!

For now, I manually stretch (by hand) in the morning and evening and do 2 30-minute sessions with my ADS. Today, I\'m going to increase my hanging sessions until I feel discomfort (as I hit the 30-minute mark without much discomfort by the second session yesterday).

My routine has always been to:
manually stretch when watching TV, driving, after I go to the washroom, in the shower...Basically anywhere and anytime I can...
I wear my ADS for about 6 hours a day....
I use to hang weights (Pre PMMA)with the BiB hanger 30 minutes a night (up to about 15 pounds) with three 10 minute intervals....
I use to pump every night (Pre PMMA) using the battery operated Vacu tech pump about 10 minutes a night...
It\'s been a long, hard road (pun intended) but I have made substantial gains.
Side note. The vacu tech pump can be purchased for about $150.00 online. I bought mine for $750.00 from Dr. Elist\'s clinic right after I had my silicon dildo removed in his examination.room. I was whacked out on Narcotics, and the (good) gives me the pump and a bill for $750.00. I paid for it with cash. I should have just refused but I was disorientated and just wanted to get the hell out of the clinic. What an asshole (I mean the doctor, not myself).
Still, the pump is an excellent one.

Thanks Messageman! Knowing that what I\'m using is the same type of ADS that you used, I\'ll stick with it and purchase a leg harness and additional weight. I believe I\'ll also purchase the Bib Hanger for supplementary hanging. Do you mind sharing your typical daily schedule encompassing manual stretching, your ADS and your BibHanger? Forgive the deep queries into your personal history, but I would be crazy to pass up the opportunity to emulate your routine in order to achieve your results!

For now, I manually stretch (by hand) in the morning and evening and do 2 30-minute sessions with my ADS. Today, I\'m going to increase my hanging sessions until I feel discomfort (as I hit the 30-minute mark without much discomfort by the second session yesterday).

Hi Boston
Unfortunately I don\'t have any experience with the grip system. I have been using just a silicon tube (bought off EBay), an elastic (bungee cord), and a velcro leg strap and it\'s done me very well. My ADS is a hybrid of things I bought off the Internet.
I can\'t overstate that I believe the All-day-stretcher is responsible for most of my reclaimed length gains. I have used the ADS continually since the removal of my implant...even when I was using the Bib hanger. The Bib Hanger is indeed a beautifully crafted device, and I would have used it longer (than 6 months) if it weren\'t for me undergoing a PMMA procedure.
I don\'t believe the Bib Hanger could be used as an all-day-hanger. There are much alternatives out there anyway, so why would you want to use it as that.
There\'s a great support forum for the Bib hanger you should check out if you are really interested in it.
Remember tenacity is the key ingredient to gaining length. You have to fully commit and make it an obsession (like anything else in life).
Best of luck, Messageman

I did my second hanging session of the day, and didn\'t seem to feel the discomfort this time after 30 minutes...I hope I\'m doing it right. I found the silicone sleeve to be torn at the tip (probably as a result of my removal of the silicone), requiring an adjustment with scissors. I\'m feeling like this product may not be a sustainable one, and am not loving the lack of control that I have over the silicon when rolling it up/down the shaft (for administering/removal). It feels too forceful and it seems like I need to over-compensate with forceful manipulation of the silicone. I\'m definitely considering replacing this hanger with something better.Any feedback as to whether or not I should consider getting the BibHanger, the Grip System or something else? Messageman, if you could do it all over again would you have started with the BibHanger right away after getting Elist\'s implant removed (as opposed to the other all-day hanger)? Which all-day hanger did you use? Can the BibHanger be an all-day hanger, or is it meant for shorter-term sessions?

Hi guys
If you read my threads , you\'ll find that after removing my implant, I was actually able to gain length (more than pre implant length) after a few months of serious and regimented stretching.
Pre implant, I was about 7..25 inches...After the removal, my length retracted to barely 5 inches (erect). After I manually stretched and wore an all-day-stretcher for a few months, I was actually able to get up to 7.5 inches in length. . I then bought a bib hanger that gave me about 1/4 of an inch increase after a few months of use.
This brought me up to 7.75 inches.
I then had PMMA and only used an ADS for about 18 months,. I then started jelqing and manually stretching more regularly, and now I have an 8 inch erect penis. Last week was one of the first times in a long while I actually saw my cock erect against a ruler (not just stretched) and it was amazing to see \"8 inches\"
Regarding girth...I retained about .75 inches of girth from the leftover capsule. It appears to be permanent (knock on wood).
So guys...I am living proof that it is possible to get your length back...You just have to be very dedicated and consistent. I found my biggest gains came from using an all-day-stretcher. Also, try to manually stretch whenever you have the time...For example, watching TV (alone), driving (yes I do it on long drives)...whenever possible. Make it an obsession. Like anything, when you put your into it, great things can come about.
Best of luck!

Hoddle10 - well said!

I sometimes feel frustration that others are not actively contributing information that would help others (myself). I am starring down round 3 of PMMA and feel like I am brand new at this. Upon starting down this path, I thought my length and glans were sufficient (reality is they are) but, I want to make gains before I get the 3rd and hopefully final round of PMMA. Given I have had 2 rounds of PMMA, I am reluctant to hang as I have tried and when i immediately take off the hanger (bib hanger), it appears to move the PMMA around. It goes back to normal within 30-45 seconds of massage but, the thought of taking off the hanger with permanent dis-figuration really freaks me out. I also have a stretching device (andro penis) which doesn\'t feel to pull on the ligaments nearly as much as the hanger but, does not create any dis-figuration, and in fact allows me to massage out the shaft so that it is amazingly smooth - I don\'t think anyone would ever know I had PMMA at this point. The kicker here is that my girth is to large for the hanger unless completely flaccid - first time in my life i have ever been to big . So, I have been on a stretching routine and am closing in on 6 7/8\" inches EL and will continue as I am making gains. I thought about cutting ligaments but, have decided to let the stretching run it\'s course. I had inquired about Dr. Camacho but apparently he/his office is to busy to respond. I understand he has a procedure that goes through the scrotum to cut ligaments - would love to hear more from those who have done it. I am considering PRFM to increase glans but really on the fence as others have posted significant results are very spend\'y. So, bringing it back to Hoddle10 post, I would love it for others to chip in on the \'total package\' discussion and techniques/tools/process/sequence they are using to get the girth/glans/length they desire - especially those that have a few rounds of PMMA completed.

will leave on this point - As uncertain as I am in what to do next, I am so incredibly grateful to all of you guys that have gone before us and posted - I can\'t imagine the courage it took for you to offer yourself up. Thanks to you, I am pretty straight on who and what to stay away from....THANK YOU!!!

Well I figure I owe an update since I haven\'t been on for over a month. Yikes!

Life got in the way with wife have a car wreck and me taking care of her a month ago. She is ok but I lost my focus bad on hanging or stretching. I went almost 5 weeks doing nothing. I had been hanging as the Dan Salas vacuum device made great temporary gains but I am not into footing myself. I can tell you that I was a bit concerned I\'d retracted after I flaccidly seemed to have shrunk up during this time but I took erect measurements 2 days ago and, after 5 weeks of no post op PE I am still a solid 6.5\" BPEL & 5.5\" MSEG. I had peaked at 6 5/8\" BPEL and 5 5/8\" MSEG but was very pleased at these current stats. In reality it looks like 6mos post rnd 3 PMMA I am 1\" exactly more than pre PMMA altogether and erect length is 1/4\" more than before this surgery. I am in no hurry at all to add more girth believe it or not but did decide to hang again. 1/4\" is a lot to gain almost overnight but I still do have a personal goal of 7\" BPEL.

Had been hanging up to 20lb for 30min once a day. Decided to start at just 7.5lbs for 20min and that was comfortable so rested and went 10lbs for 30min. That\'s when I could feel it. Lemme tell you, when you actually get to pulling on that lig cut area internally you know it. It\'s kinda of a pinch type sharp pain but not unbearable. The problem is it is in just an area or affects areas that make me sick to my stomach. I don\'t get queasy easily but I feel like I\'ve been punched in the gut. 20yrs teaching karate and I assure you that\'s a pretty accurate description. The Dr assured me tho that even with weights I was safe and so far he\'s been right. I am so glad I went scrotal so I\'m not pulling on 2 sets of scar tissue. I envy those that can and one is a good friend. He\'s doing well too and had surgery during a similar period. We are comparing notes but taking differing paths so it should be interesting.

Someone asked me what wrap I used while hanging. Took me forever to find it again online. It bought just the Sleeves from the vac ads sites. $20 for 2 and you cut them in half so it was a one time purchase. A modified BIB hanger and those sleeves cut to size. They are also good to hold you stretched regardless of how to PE\'d post routine. PM me for a link as I don\'t wanna advertise anymore than I have on here by mentioning who\'s tools I\'ve utilized. I tend to always be working on upgrading my equipment and not just my penis. I ordered a 12\" section of 1 3/4\" and 2\" ID Acrylic tubing off eBay and some acrylic adhesive for less that $20 and went to work making my own vacuum device more tuned to my penis. After hanging I sometimes leave the sleeve on and vacuum it with more of a pull lengthwise than engorging it for girth. Not sure if its sound science but seems to heal or at least feel better with the extra blood flow. Have taken to adding a heating pad during PE too. Was never a believer in them but anything that reduces the discomfort is welcome at the levels I\'m doing.

Here is a pic I worked up like my previous pic of a side by side of me before Any PE or surgery and currently. I went b&w because I think it\'s easier to see just the shape without distractions. I used a mold I had made to the base and premeasured it to make sure it had not expanded or contracted over time. Clone-a-willy kit 4+ yrs old and still dead on.I hope it is close to accurate as I had to resize the pics so I used the ruler markings to keep the pics at a 1:1 ratio. I welcome any feedback and suggestions as to how I might improve on Any of this even the pics.

Thank you all over and over for your postings and guidance.

yes but as a student who works I get very little time for that. I need something I can use while doing homework or an ADS. I think I\'m going to get a jes extender and a bib hanger. After reading some thread those are the only 2 I\'ve seen that are working for post pmma.

I want to start a serious hanging/stretching routine to get my enhanced dick a little more proportional. I\'m currently 5X6ish but would like to get to somewhere around 6x6. Right now I have the grip system but it doesn not work well for an uncut pmma enhanced penis. the sleeves don\'t take well to the rapid girth increase. I think I might need a noose style hanger or maybe even a bib hanger. Anyone have any experience? I was reading big johns thread but I don\'t know what hanger that is.

Well, it\'s out and I already feel better. Coming out was so much easier than going in. Dr. Elist was correct in every assumption he made prior to the removal thus far, his associate was wrong on every account. Elist told me the drain would be in for only 24 hours, his associate told me at least 4 days. Elist told me recovery and urination would be much easier and his associate told me the opposite.

It\'s only been 36 hours since the removal but I have lost quite a bit of length and the rediculous girth is gone. Hoping when things calm down a bit in a couple days I can begin stretching and regaining all that I have lost. I have the bib hanger, the extender, a pump I\'m gonna toss and the tlc all day foreskin stretcher so my subpubscent area doesn\'t extend out when I get erect.

I\'ve got a long road ahead of me.

Day 17

As we can see in the photos, I\'m still holding 13.5cm girth, which surprised me because it\'s started to feel a little bit less bulky than it had. Perhaps it\'s a case of me getting used to the new size.

Did some more light stretching today with my Bib Hanger. At this stage it\'s just 1 set for 10 mins at a light weight. I can feel the suspensory ligs getting stretched. Will get a ruler soon so I can measure and baseline erect length. My guess is 14cm bone pressed. It was 16cm once upon a time during my hanging days.

Have also been wrapping my penis in bandage during the day. There\'s a noticeable bulge but I\'ve been on holidays so easy to conceal. It\'s early days but I suspect it helps to straighten my penis a bit. Unfortunately I go back to work in two days time.

I\'ve also ordered an ADS ( www.autoextender.com/krextender.html ) which will be delivered in a couple of weeks, I\'m guessing. Looking forwarding to testing that out.