TOPIC: AFTERCARE

Texas wrote: @PhoenixNow Dr M is WRONG to use such definitive language about the impossibility of migration and I would debate this publicly with her. I can say this from two of the doctors that I consult with - one is a surgeon !
The point is: Its not like there is an open cavity the filler is just going to fall out of; but these can move, whether it be small distances or long and whether it be easily done or hard. They also can and DO permeate their way through tissues that they may otherwise shouldn't have able to . It just fucking happens. Could it be because all bodys are made different ? Could be the lymphatic system at all? Could it be both? Could it be something else or all of these? The bottom line is , it fucking happens. And if we know this and trust in our process then our results will that much better from our management.
I'm sorry, But there are plenty of these docs , on here and off, who are great at injecting but still dont have this after part nailed down. Right wrong or otherwise, there have been more people that have reported great results from them following the plans that we have all laid out here on this board, then have not reported such.

Vinny81 wrote: Tex- What are your feelings on IR heat pads? Is it going to get hot enough to allow molding? Have you used or recommend a roller (there are ones that heat up) or.do you think this needs to be done manually?

Thanks in advance.

Dream wrote: After procedure plan:

( @Texas : i was unsuccessful in imagening what kind of massage you do Texas with pinki fingers touching and making a V)


@Dream
Hold your hands together like your collecting water from under the spout.

Dream wrote: After procedure plan:
1. Taking cialis after the procedure and then daily for probably 4 days. Mgs will be up to the person. I used 10. the daily 5 is just to weak for me.
2. Guess i’ll also take ibuprofen, less swelling kinda sounds good, i imagine a lot of swelling perhaps could also disturb things. Lorazepam: for calmness, last time i just was supertired after the procedure, hm
3. Leaving bandages on, put it in esl stretcher, till meeting with Ian 4 hours later where he removes bandages and does first massage.
4. Make pictures of first erection, notice irregularities
5. use esl stretcher stretching, aiming for horizontal (i neighter want filler migration into body nor cracy much fluid in my frenulum).
i actually nearly have no retraction at all. Horizontal is great. I also like straight down - and move alot. by moving you are activating engaging the lymphatic system to work more and better
6. sleep on back, pillows on all sides and with belt so i stay on my back. . back is fine. keep your cock wrapped. Face down is an option for those a tad more worried. Both should be great. My personally I got up every 3 hours to massage/roll.
7. As soon there is tiny amount of swelling at frenulum put on esl cup or babysock or something, i don’t want frenulum area to get full of fluid swelling . OH YEAH

Aftercare Massage Plan:
Let's see if i do it every 3h or 2 or 1 hour, it's not like i have to do anything else in the hotelroom.. i guess the biggest hustle is the warming up of the penis with water (there is no microwave and i cannot take one)

I guess each massage session is:
(0. eventually watch porn to get erect = see irregularities better)
1. Warming up under hot water (perhaps with washcloth). Please dont under estimate the need for real heat here. If you dont believe me - I have two docs you can consult with and ask. Warm is ok, but only so good. Consider your options prior to procedure. Sorry, but im a stickler on this.
2. Trying to move pmma (from where it is too much to area where it is too little) that is necessary with (strong) force with hand / roller
3. Pinching the skin on the entry point, squeezing liquid out ( @Otis , you meant that did you)
Pressing on entry points (perhaps with ballpoint pen backside pressing in just a little instead of with the big finger, hm) -> to prevent nodules at entry points
4. Soft rolling on entire penis with the roller (also for stimulating reducing the swelling)
( @Texas : i was unsuccessful in imagening what kind of massage you do Texas with pinki fingers touching and making a V)
. LOL damnit, im trying to be as descriptive as i can be.

- What to expect:
Day 1: procedure
Day 2: swelling, don’t see much anymore
Day 3: day of maximum swelling
Day 8: had 0.5cm more girth here than now a year later
Day 21: had same girth as a year later
Day 30: again 0.5cm more girth than a year later

Dream wrote: Flomax:
I am a shower and hang pretty good, retraction was not a problem last round, so I don’t wanna use it.
I think i will use Cialis to get more bloodflow and erections.
Hm. This was a thing i guess in former times, inducing many erections in the first 3 days after.
Don’t know if this is valid. I guess on first day it could be nice to have an erection and see where I should try to massage product towards.

Ibuprofen:
there is some talk about that inflammation is good for gains actually, and ibuprofen reduces inflammation, so I guess I will not take it, I had no pain last time
Hm. I guess i made a post about this once: www.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phal...buprofen-or-not.html
I guess i am still undecided.

Infrared light:
i wonder if it's helpful to use it in the pmma process.. or against the swelling
"Red light therapy is usually anti-inflammatory" www.kaiyanmedical.com/post/light-therapy-the-lymphatic-system
There were theories that inflammation could be good for gains instead of anti-inflammation.
Ian said once that after heat of infrared light the pmma moves better – so if it’s heat perhaps let hot water run over it before the massage?

Weighted hanging:
You get a little weight from the Doc, to hang from penis.
I like to use the ESL stretcher instead and stretch slightly upward (stretch upward but use pillow so it’s more forward-upward instead of straight upward) – I think then the swelling can disappear quicker.
But on the other hand: could this make product migrate to the body and shaft? Don’t think so

Massaging:
- Let Ian do the massages, he knows his stuff
- As soon as day 2 there is massive swelling and the penis looks and feels ‘smooth’ – only when swelling is gone one can see and feel the imperfections I think? I think I will mostly use the roller and try to push stuff where it’s ‘too much’ towards where it’s ‘too little’.
- avantiderma say to massage daily for 4 weeks -> did anyone do that? I don’t think you can massage nodules away, can you?
- You cannot massage a dry penis, can you? Should I bring coconut oil for massaging?

- I think they told me after the procedure to get a certain skin-desinfect spray from pharmacy after the procedure (I am now thinking I guess I should get that before the procedure this time) – I wonder if I used that as ‘cream’ to massage with.. I think I was afraid to massage with hands and used the roller instead

Grain-sized nodules on entry points:
I have those from last time.
I guess I will also have them this time.
I don’t care much. No woman mentioned anything.
AvantiDerma says: if something leaks from entry points, put it away and then use tiny tiny roller they gave and roll towards all sides, I guess the entry point being in the middle. I am a bit afraid of making irregularities that way.
-> How did you do it?

Swelling at Frenulum:
- When swelling starts around the frenulum I will quickly compress it with a babysock or something similar
Cause I had this before and I think this worked pretty good
I think it’s good with the ESL stretcher that the vacuum grabber grabs = presses the penis in the frenulum area and presses that area together, which I think is good.

Stretching and preventing retraction:
- is it only for the first 3 days mainly (I think after 3 days pmma is set and cannot be moved again) -> I am pretty sure this is the time to take care of retraction and not the 30 days
- or first 30 days (there was day 21 where penis lost size compared to day 10, and regained size on day 30; so I guess on day 30 collagen procedure is complete)

Collagen supplements or stuff that stimulates collagen: Hm, I will not use it.

Skeptical_One wrote: @Dream
Now coming off your most recent trip, do you believe these tips still hold true? It's a pretty comprehensive guide, is there anything you'd add, revise, or remove?

Dbrphallo wrote: Concealhaut: Sorry I didn't see your post. I'm an avid skier and sometimes use electric gloves. These are good to keep the hands from freezing but that's about it. You'll want to use wet or moist heat, not dry heat that electric will give. Wet hand towels in the microwave. I use what many chiropractor's use. It's like a heavy beanbag type wrap that you put in the microwave and it generates moist heat for a good few minutes.