TOPIC: AFTERCARE

Oh ok!


So you lay on your stomach and place the pe is in the pillow hole so it hangs

@Tyl2704
yes. I wanted to ensure that there was no leaking back into the body. I was able to get into 3-4 hours at time sleeping like this. Other times I would sit up in a recliner.

Some people think all this is crazy and just " to much " but you know what: to others, this is expensive stuff and it's my only cock and I want it to be the best. So while it might be a rough 3-4 days. oh fucking well !
And to those people who think they can just get fillers injected and move on with life and or just simply go off what the doctor says is good for aftercare - LOLOLOL- good fucking luck ! 1. These doctors havent injected themselves or been through what some of us ( here on this board have been through ) 2. these doctors aren't allowed to tell us openly how people call back with complaints on there outcomes; and guess what, low and behold the end up admitting that did do any after care or the doctors recommendations didn't fucking work.
I was actually contacted by a doctor from this board recently to consult and go over after care routines. ( NO I cant say who ). But what I can say about all the topic is this: To the doctor from Ohio ( who is Self Proclaimed as possibly the largest Bellfil injector at this moment ) not telling people to heat, massage, and roll their penis after injecting that much product is flat out not going to work over the long haul - their must be a solid after routine in place until the product sets up. And to the Mexico office, even more so, Whos PMMA carrier wears off faster than the US product- A simple weighted Ball is not enough, nor is showing up in the office once or twice to have someone massage and roll for you; these wont work long term for the patients best outcomes.

So the recommendation is to hold on using Penimaster pro for stretching for at least 3 weeks?

Texas, a perhaps novel idea, but you could offload all of your knowledge into a guide with pictures and all. I'd pay for it.

@PhoenixNow
I have thought of similar stuff, but not this. I really appreciate the idea, thank you. The closest I have done so far was help a couple people via facetime over the healing week. Holler at me anytime if you need anything.

Thanks man, I'll take you up on your offer when the time comes. Gotta get that Circumcision, scrotoplasty and Avanti PMMA prep first, hopefully I can get to Avanti in 6mo to a year for the first round..

Good luck to you brother . What are you doing first?

I have had everything done. So feel free to ask .

Hey Texas,
May you can let us know which daya are the most crucial ones for Bellafill compared to Metacrill. I hope I remember correctly that with Ellanse those are the first 3. After those days the filler has settled and is not possible to move anymore. Btw every how many hours did you do a massage session?
Also I wonder if you point your unit down right from the get go isnt it dangerous cause too many filler could migrate to the top, specially for uncircumcised guys like me?

@Joytoy
First things first I would say will ALL fillers the first few days are certainly the most crucial. With PMMA products the "set up" time frame will depend on the carrying agent for the most part. So, the products with the cellulose carriers like the linnea products out of Brazil and Mexico will set up faster than the Bellafill product in the US which has a bovine carrier. I do not know much about Metacrill at the moment - but I can look into it more and/or reach out to the manf if needed.
What I have learned so far from some of the doctors that I am consulting with is: When using bellafill in the penis I would plan for 2 weeks of strict after care keeping the penis pointed downward while frequently rolling your penis into a shape that you are happy with - while also feeling for lumps that may need to squeezed and aggressively massaged. Just like with ellanse, using heat will help the material be more malleable and pliable. Having said all of this: I will still say again that the first 3-5 days are still the most crucial for heating & rolling / shaping, and massaging; doing so with a back to front rolling manner with your hands in the shape of a V.

As for product migrating to the front due to the penis being pointed down: I say first, I would rather this than have it disappear into the body cavity from the base. And should this actually happen, follow the streps above and the original post and heat and rolling into a shape that makes you happy. AGAIN, as I have stated many times, rolling and massaging may need to happen OFTEN!! Like every couple hours ( contrary to what a lot of the doctors say - who expect people to not do shit ). For me, I did it every 2 to 3 hours and whether or not that was overkill; i dont give a shit because results are great.

I would recommend using bleedstop or woundseal as well. Since when rolling/massaging you will bleed and some product might come off. Ofcourse to use the pinch method to help close the wound faster as well

Oslo wrote: I would recommend using bleedstop or woundseal as well. Since when rolling/massaging you will bleed and some product might come off. Ofcourse to use the pinch method to help close the wound faster as well

What is the 'pinch method'?
(I also don't know what bleedstop and woundseal are)

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Flomax:
I am a shower and hang pretty good, retraction was not a problem last round, so I don’t wanna use it.
I think i will use Cialis to get more bloodflow and erections.
Hm. This was a thing i guess in former times, inducing many erections in the first 3 days after.
Don’t know if this is valid. I guess on first day it could be nice to have an erection and see where I should try to massage product towards.

Ibuprofen:
there is some talk about that inflammation is good for gains actually, and ibuprofen reduces inflammation, so I guess I will not take it, I had no pain last time
Hm. I guess i made a post about this once: www.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phal...buprofen-or-not.html
I guess i am still undecided.

Infrared light:
i wonder if it's helpful to use it in the pmma process.. or against the swelling
"Red light therapy is usually anti-inflammatory" www.kaiyanmedical.com/post/light-therapy-the-lymphatic-system
There were theories that inflammation could be good for gains instead of anti-inflammation.
Ian said once that after heat of infrared light the pmma moves better – so if it’s heat perhaps let hot water run over it before the massage?

Weighted hanging:
You get a little weight from the Doc, to hang from penis.
I like to use the ESL stretcher instead and stretch slightly upward (stretch upward but use pillow so it’s more forward-upward instead of straight upward) – I think then the swelling can disappear quicker.
But on the other hand: could this make product migrate to the body and balls? Don’t think so

Massaging:
- Let Ian do the massages, he knows his stuff
- As soon as day 2 there is massive swelling and the penis looks and feels ‘smooth’ – only when swelling is gone one can see and feel the imperfections I think? I think I will mostly use the roller and try to push stuff where it’s ‘too much’ towards where it’s ‘too little’.
- avantiderma say to massage daily for 4 weeks -> did anyone do that? I don’t think you can massage nodules away, can you?
- You cannot massage a dry penis, can you? Should I bring coconut oil for massaging?

- I think they told me after the procedure to get a certain skin-desinfect spray from pharmacy after the procedure (I am now thinking I guess I should get that before the procedure this time) – I wonder if I used that as ‘cream’ to massage with.. I think I was afraid to massage with hands and used the roller instead

Grain-sized nodules on entry points:
I have those from last time.
I guess I will also have them this time.
I don’t care much. No woman mentioned anything.
AvantiDerma says: if something leaks from entry points, put it away and then use tiny tiny roller they gave and roll towards all sides, I guess the entry point being in the middle. I am a bit afraid of making irregularities that way.
-> How did you do it?

Swelling at Frenulum:
- When swelling starts around the frenulum I will quickly compress it with a babysock or something similar
Cause I had this before and I think this worked pretty good
I think it’s good with the ESL stretcher that the vacuum grabber grabs = presses the penis in the frenulum area and presses that area together, which I think is good.

Stretching and preventing retraction:
- is it only for the first 3 days mainly (I think after 3 days pmma is set and cannot be moved again) -> I am pretty sure this is the time to take care of retraction and not the 30 days
- or first 30 days (there was day 21 where penis lost size compared to day 10, and regained size on day 30; so I guess on day 30 collagen procedure is complete)

Collagen supplements or stuff that stimulates collagen: Hm, I will not use it.

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My journal:
www.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-rep...r-dr-n.html?start=45

Texas, appreciate you for your thread

My plan so far (it's different)
- first 4 hours they say leave it in the bandage for some reason
- later take Cialis, make Erection with porn and just stimulating the glans (not touching shaft of course) and see the ‘end result’ + make picture to see which partes are too much and which are too little
(I think the Erect penis is most important and the imperfections also show most on Erect penis I think)

Massage Erect from where it’s ‘too much’ to ‘where it’s too little’ – and I guess if I lose Erection I will just remember where to massage to
I guess I will mostly use the roller instead of hands? Hm

Before massage: warming it up with hot water
(I will be in grand hotel, so I guess I will kneel partly in the shower for that or something)
(ask Doc: how soon can I put hot water on Dick to warm it up for massage?)

- ok, do massage every 3 hours / Ian visits are also in there
show Ian the pic

- Stretcher in the 3 hours between:
I like to use the ESL stretcher instead and stretch slightly upward (stretch upward but use pillow so it’s more forward-upward instead of straight upward) – I think then the swelling can disappear quicker.
But on the other hand: could this make product migrate to the body and Balls? Don’t think so

- sleeping: I use this setup:
On back, fixing myself with pillows on the side with a belt, using soft setting on esl stretcher, stretching penis slightly upwards and to my head (pic of that in my journal)

- I guess: as soon as day 2 there is massive swelling and the penis looks and feels ‘smooth’ all around cause of the swelling and i 'can't see anything anymore'? – only when swelling is gone one can see and feel the imperfections I think?
Cause I think the swelling is not just making the penis bigger but with the same form, but swelling I think ‘smoothes out’ all the imperfections and makes it seem that the penis is more perfect than it really is underneath the swelling.
So I guess remember from the first picture or something where to massage to from where?

- Grain-sized nodules on entry points:
I have those from last time.
I guess I will also have them this time.
I don’t care much. No woman mentioned anything.
AvantiDerma says: if something leaks from entry points, put the leakage away and then use tiny tiny roller they gave and roll towards all sides, I guess the entry point being in the middle. I am a bit afraid of making irregularities that way. The roller seems also enourmously big compared to the entry point

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One cannot massage a dry penis i guess? Should I bring coconut oil for massaging?
I think they told me after the procedure to get a certain skin-desinfect spray from pharmacy after the procedure (I am now thinking I guess I should get that before the procedure this time)
-> Did you get that, did you use that? I would like the name of what i should get from pharmacy beforehand (and i think avantiderma only opens office and emails at 9th, which is the date of my procedure)

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Stretching and preventing retraction - 3 days or 30:
- is it only for the first 3 days mainly (I think after 3 days PMMA is set and cannot be moved again) -> I am pretty sure this is the time to take care of retraction and not the 30 days
- or first 30 days (there was day 21 where penis lost size compared to day 10, and regained size on day 30; so I guess on day 30 collagen procedure is complete)

- Swelling at Frenulum:
When swelling starts around the Frenulum (I had this at least in 2 rounds) I will quickly compress it with a babysock or something similar
Cause I had this before and I think this worked pretty good
I think it’s good with the ESL stretcher that the vacuum grabber grabs = presses the penis in the Frenulum area and presses that area together, which I think is good.
(My Frenulum swelling – I have some Foreskin – is one reason why I don’t want to stretch downwards)

Oslo wrote: I would recommend using bleedstop or woundseal as well. Since when rolling/massaging you will bleed and some product might come off. Ofcourse to use the pinch method to help close the wound faster as well

While it is important that the wound(s) heal, I wouldn't impede entry points for those who have had PMMA or Ellanse. It's encouraged to let them ooze any excess; when I first had mine I thought the ooze was a bad thing so tried to avoid letting filler "leak", but sure enough the filler product bunched up at the entry points and left me with nodules at those entry point sites.

Just be sure the area is sterile and clean.

@Dream

Some quick points. Getting an erection frequently is good. No need to limit it. ( not that you were, just adding this )

I would like to very much encourage the use of HOT water over anything a bath or shower can produce. I preferred to microwave wet dish rags to HOT, not enough to burn but hot as fuck !!! That a key to making the product more malleable than it otherwise would. In the absense of a microwave I suppose there are other creative things like a coffee maker if they have one ( the old ones with a damn pot - lol ). * I have heard that the hotel there in TJ doesnt have microwaves in the rooms or not in all, I would ask.

I found it much easier and better to massage to flaccid - this way I could massage downward with fear of moving any product into the body cavity area or sac. And I did this a LOT so that many erections were out of the question.

Im not sure why you cant massage / Roll and a dry penis. So if thats a recommendation --- eeehhhh - id say this is more of a do whats comfortable to you thing.

Next, I dont know about sleeping with the penis pointed upward. I am of the opinion that keeping pointed downward will maintain the best product retention and uniformity as well appearance outcome. If you feel the need to point it upward - i would suggest doing so during the day where you can watch things more closely.

Is there any way to make a bullet point simple list or must do’s? In terms of after care