TOPIC: AFTERCARE

Texas wrote: @Dbrphallo
Who was the Provider - PM me if you dont want to say here. I am curious.

First off, There does NOT need to be a time limit at all on rolling / massaging . You have one Dick, take care of it and do it as much as you fucking want to . Plus, by doing so you mobilizing the lymphatic fluid to get the fuck out.
Yes, swelling can be misleading, which is why I recommend light compression and constant massage rolling - but not forceful enough to push material out into the body, but enough to shape material. NEXT: in order to move most of the fillers ( Sans HA ) you will need heat - this bathwater shit AINT GONNA CUT IT ! You need hot heat. after a few days, the fillers will be mostly set up. The jury is still out on the exact set up time frame for bella fill. But Im guesstimating approx 5-6 days on that one. Linea - 3 days. So as i have always said, those first 3-5 days should be spent shaping, rolling, and caring for your one and only cock.

As for swelling under the glans: 1. yes material can travel here = so heat, shape, and roll, every few hours & get erect 3 or 4 times a day if you can 2. Swelling under the glans is very common when you wear bandages, cock socks, and with most stretchers. = So again, you will want bandages that remove easily and can be put back on easily.

willyWonka wrote:

Texas wrote: @Dream

Some quick points. Getting an erection frequently is good. No need to limit it. ( not that you were, just adding this )

I would like to very much encourage the use of HOT water over anything a bath or shower can produce. I preferred to microwave wet dish rags to HOT, not enough to burn but hot as fuck !!! That a key to making the product more malleable than it otherwise would. In the absense of a microwave I suppose there are other creative things like a coffee maker if they have one ( the old ones with a damn pot - lol ). * I have heard that the hotel there in TJ doesnt have microwaves in the rooms or not in all, I would ask.

I found it much easier and better to massage to flaccid - this way I could massage downward with fear of moving any product into the body cavity area or sac. And I did this a LOT so that many erections were out of the question.

Im not sure why you cant massage / Roll and a dry penis. So if thats a recommendation --- eeehhhh - id say this is more of a do whats comfortable to you thing.

Next, I dont know about sleeping with the penis pointed upward. I am of the opinion that keeping pointed downward will maintain the best product retention and uniformity as well appearance outcome. If you feel the need to point it upward - i would suggest doing so during the day where you can watch things more closely.

One good idea is to buy a travel neck pillow doughnut. Not a cheap one either. Sleep face down with the doughnut on pelvis to allow penis to hang at night.

PhoenixNow wrote:

Texas wrote: @Dbrphallo
Who was the Provider - PM me if you dont want to say here. I am curious.

First off, There does NOT need to be a time limit at all on rolling / massaging . You have one Dick, take care of it and do it as much as you fucking want to . Plus, by doing so you mobilizing the lymphatic fluid to get the fuck out.
Yes, swelling can be misleading, which is why I recommend light compression and constant massage rolling - but not forceful enough to push material out into the body, but enough to shape material. NEXT: in order to move most of the fillers ( Sans HA ) you will need heat - this bathwater shit AINT GONNA CUT IT ! You need hot heat. after a few days, the fillers will be mostly set up. The jury is still out on the exact set up time frame for bella fill. But Im guesstimating approx 5-6 days on that one. Linea - 3 days. So as i have always said, those first 3-5 days should be spent shaping, rolling, and caring for your one and only cock.

As for swelling under the glans: 1. yes material can travel here = so heat, shape, and roll, every few hours & get erect 3 or 4 times a day if you can 2. Swelling under the glans is very common when you wear bandages, cock socks, and with most stretchers. = So again, you will want bandages that remove easily and can be put back on easily.

Very insightful, @Texas . Makes me think I should have started taking Ibuprofen asap after the procedure (linnea) instead of going with the "swelling produces gain" school of thought...

Question: would you say that the product is massagable enough so that you could theoritically move all of the filler from one half of the penis and make it stay in another. For example: After round one my base can go all the way up to 8" so I'd like my 2nd round to concentrate more on TEG (however tight that skin may be..) and MEG instead, can filler be moved that much post up or are the massages more targeted at correcting deformities ?

Dream wrote: I prefer my penis pointing upward while sleeping, i wrote about it, i want to minimize pmma and fluid in the frenulum (i guess extra important for me cause i have a little foreskin left)

Dbrphallo wrote: Wish I had thought about sleeping with my penis down for the first 3 days. The airplane donut is a great idea. Perhaps that would have helped with migration of the Bellafil closer to my glands. As it stands, I still have a good quarter inch gap between my glands and where the product settled creating that cavernous effect Phoenix mentioned. But it's nice to know that this isn't uncommon in the first round. The doc told me the area below the glands has difficulty absorbing the Bellafil. Hopefully this can be mitigated during round 2 which I'm scheduling for mid July.

As far as heating devices go, I have what looks and feels like an elongated bean bag which I bought from my chiropractor years ago. This device goes in the microwave and produces moist heat. It's what the chiro's use to heat your back up before they adjust it. The heat can last for easily 5 minutes and you can wrap your dick in it easily enough. I used that every time I rolled. You can take it anywhere, but it has some weight to it. The problem is, most hotel rooms (including the one I stayed at in Atlanta), do not have a microwave in the room.

My plan for the second round (and third round if I get that far) is to book a round trip flight for the same day and get in and out. I thought staying in the hotel overnight and ing the entire next day by hanging in the hotel room and waiting for my late afternoon flight was an incredible waste of time and precluded me from doing optimal aftercare. So next time I'm going to get everything done in one day so I can get back home and start heating and rolling a day earlier. And quite frankly, the novacaine works for many hours so flying home the same day as the procedure would be optimal for me.

Dream wrote: I don't understand this yet completely:
I understand the concept of massaging when PMMA is in the 'wrong' place, so i would massage from where PMMA is 'too much' to area where there is 'too little PMMA'.
But when the PMMA is in the right place, why would i massage around and move the PMMA around?

Odouble wrote: Hi, I would love to help contribute to the convo and have some follow up questions. I plan on booking my first session with Avanti Derma end of this June for some permanent PMMA injections. I’ve had a consultation with Ian in April and he says I’ve got some retraction, even after my Circumcision 2019. He’s recommending the Phallotax add-on so it stays extended. I plan to go in on a Wednesday morning, since they recommend you stay 3 days for aftercare and only work M-F.

First, plan on sneaking in a microwave. I wonder if the hotel would say something about it? I plan on packing it in my luggage. Hopefully that makes it seem a lot more conuous. They sell these smaller conventional ones on Amazon for about $70.
I totally thought you were fucking around with this comment at first. lol. Im so shocked that don't have a room there with a damn microwave. But hey, it is what it is. Shit, maybe theres a store nearby you can buy one and bring it back, and leave it there after.

Bring some Cialis to take immediately after your session. Yes, I would keep some coursing through the veins
Q - can Ian help you get some or is it easy enough to find in TJ? yes, its easy to come by at almost every pharmacy there
Are there any over the counter medicine to help continue keeping you extended/ opposed to Turtling? small doses PT141 will keep you with an almost semi. SMALL doses lol. you dont want a hard on for a while - plus it makes you slightly nauseous at first then goes away
As for other pills, could I continue my daily regimen or should I pause on mixing those with the Cialis?
I currently take Tongkat Ali, Alpha GPC, Horny goat weed, Fabrosia Agostis, and Yohimbe every other day during the week. They’re a part of my weight lifting routine. unless your going under then I see no reason to stop taking of these. I never stopped any of my supplements for filler procedures. Max blood flow for me I even would do arm workouts and standing stuff - light weight mostly . Why not, I want to be standing as much as I could and staying busy.

As for Hangers, I have an all day stretcher but I’m worried it might not fit when I’m swollen. I’m currently 5.2 inches girthy and I imagine I’d get closer to 6 inches circumference once swollen.
I also have the zen Hanger and plan to bring it for stretching while standing and driving home from TJ to LA. If you mean there little green noose, then yeah use it for both stretching and Hanging. The little ball thingy they give you is decent as well, but it doesn't weigh shit ! You will need a tad more, but its better than nothing for sure.
I also have the Hydromax bath mate but I know I’d have to wait at least a week before I plan to reuse it and only then do light pumping, if at all. I would wait a little longer
maybe until your in the 3rd week or 4th. then go on like you used to

As for the massage, I understand that I need to regularly massage Erect by hand every 3 hours, 24/7 for at least the first 3 days immediately after the injections. It sounds like I would use vitamin E oil. You can use the ok sign from the base to the glands or you can massage it on a counter with some type of rolling pin (I’m thinking a pizza roller?).
1. You don't have to only massage Erect. In fact, i think more should be done soft. But certainly get Erect as much as you want to and then smooth her out and then let her drop and lock her up ( meaning back to stretching ) 2. you can just use your hands no need for rolling it on a counter or using a fucking roller. 3. I would NOT use an OK grip you could move to much material around - unless thats what you want to do. I would simply put my hand in the shape a V ( with the pinkys touching ) and slightly upward - this is really just to not push any material back into the body cavity, compress lightly, as much you feel is needed, and roll and shape.

And finally, for sleeping, you can sleep on your back so long as you’re not fully reclined and semi-rested (think Lazy boy), invest in a donut that you place on your crotch in the middle of your Erect penis, attach some sort of stretching device (either ESL or the zen Hanger and attach some light weights that will rest on the donut? Sleep anyway that you want to or can, but I would not wear a device to sleep; theres to much risk with that.

Looking forward to any input/ clarification.

itgoesthud wrote: So I registered and stopped anontrawling specifically to ask: short of being so erect for so long you end up a priapism risk, is there such a thing as spending too much time erect post injection? Thinking specific to pmma/ellanse, but I suppose HA might have the same validity in this context.

I ask because of the effects PT141/Bremelanotide has on me. I have a legit script, that I really don't need, but it's pretty much perpetual wood for me for a good 18ish hours , just ever so slightly going down JUST enough, just frequently enough, I don't do myself damage.

Any flaws in this thinking? My turtle-fu is pretty severe at times, I've just recently started hanging to try and retrain the little fleshy idiot, but if I pin the PT141 right after I'd spend most of the time hard, regardless of pain (makes going #2 an adventure), and any molding I do would end up far more reflective of the settled product.

Am I dumb, a genius, or neither?