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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713646

So hello everyone, after lurking around on this forum for years and even prior to that using, jelquing and stretchers and pumps I finally decided to go through with it and have my self a Girth enhancement procedure. I decided to go to South Korea to Proud Urology in Seoul which is the capital.

So my weight is 90 kilos, 1.77 meters tall I am what you would call a dad bod.

My penis measurements before the procedure are as follows:

Flacid length: 11cm
Erect length: 18cm

Flacid Girth: 11cm
Erect Girth: 13cm

So just to be perfectly honest I am happy with my length, I just always wished I was more girthy. And I have always been a Grower not a show er.

So I finally got things started in February getting circmumsicion done here in Cyprus where I live (I wish I waited to do it at Proud Urology Instead) more about this later.

I made an appointment with James who is a liaison to visit this clinic in Seoul on the 14th of August with the intention to do the 5s procedure. That's exactly what happened..

I arrived at the 14th there was a taxi there are the airport who had a sign with my name on it, and he took me to the Ocloud hotel which I chose because it was only a few hundred metres from the Proud Urology clinic.

Guys it was surreal being in a place seeing nothing but a strange language to me every where, it took time to adjust. But the Korean people I run into were really nice, respectful and helpful.

So I check into my hotel meanwhile keeping in touch with the clinic liaison who is now a young man called yul because James was on vacation. Yul was a really nice guy easy to talk to, spoke perfect English and I felt comfortable with him and he was by my side from start to finish of this process.

On the 14th I finally meet him and he explained the procedure once more and got out his handy tablet and we went through some details about my self medical history etc..and before too long the doctor in charge of my surgery comes in and examined me and we were good to go. I explained how I wanted it to be shaped and I mentioned I had some scrotal webbing, and the doctor said it wasn't serious enough to worry about because once I have my new Girth it will be less of an issue. The doctor's name was Dr Koo, he does training for other doctors regarding this procedure with Megaderm engraftment among other many specialist area's regard men's sex health.
So once we agreed everything I paid, and was led to a changing room. I felt no nervousness, because I constantly had yul by my side, until I was given my general anesthesia. What I found really striking is that even before I walked into the operating room, I went through this "air shower" clean room, supposedly it gets rid of any dust or any fibrous lint that could float about and compromise the operating room. I had never experienced that in Cyprus when I went for an operation. That combined with the luxurious office they have just impressed me quite a bit.

I woke up after about an hour or so and it was all done. I looked down to an enormous bandaged penis that was still very bruised ofcourse.

I felt happy it was finally done made a few jokes with my new friend Yul and was on my way back to my hotel....well not before I went to the out back steak house across the street to feast on a massive steak.

It was really that simple, South Korea is just a highly efficient place, they get things done fast and are generally very respectful.

Below I will attach some before pictures. Unfortunately I didn't take pictures with a tape measure for Flaccid, because all I cared about is my Erect size being bigger. That was my main focus, but you can take my word for the measurements on flacid Girth and length stated in the beginning of this post, they are correct.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713647

And here are some post procedure pictures to keep things separate and clearer. Enjoy and let me know what you think. And if your wondering why I have loose skin around the glans, that is not Proud Urology to blame I went to a local Urologists here in Cyprus where I live, and he did my circmumsicion. I wish I had it done at Proud Urology, but unfortunately I had not known about them at the time or that circmumsicion was offered by them as part of the entire procedure.

I will update my status and healing process and give up dates with more measurement every single week until you guys get fed up of me hehe!
But as things stand right now, I passed the super bruised stage really fast it only lasted 1 day and a half, when I came home immediately it was all most 6.2 inches thick, showing you that would be like show boating and deluding my self at the same time. So over time you will get the real numbers with out bruising and grandstanding. You will get nothing but honesty in my report of my procedure. Also I think my bruising went down fast because I was taking a lot of vitamins prior to coming to Korea and while was there. I stuck to just meat , eggs and lots of water and fresh juice. I bought some really expensive hydrolyzed marine collagen too im not sure all this helped but why wouldn't it right ? Oh and I literally ate and laid in bed for 2 days straight with little movement to avoid gravity pulling my huge dong down towards the earth like a comet, that would have just made it bruise up even more!

Edit: update The graft used was called MegaDerm® 5 x 8 cm dermal graft. There was mention of using 6cc's of MegaFill® on top of the MegaDerm®. Its quite high in viscosity and mainly targeted in a particular areas to smooth out any potential edges if any.
My penis was wrapped up with a compressive style wrap along with a compression bandage net immediately after the procedure was completed. So it was a snug fit, I feel no issue with migration honestly. I have a very solid result, the base is immaculate.

The only flaw I have was the surgeon who did my circumsiecion in Cyprus where I live currently, he left too much foreskin because he was concerned about my unusually long erect length compared to my flaccid size. I think everything will be ok though.
Proud Urology kindly offered me a recircumsiecion with no extra charge but I chickened out. I have also been given a bag full of supplies/written instructions and instructed to take antibiotics/stomach pills and some painkillers for a month, also the compression bandage I will change daily by my self continuously for a month.

I am 5 days in, it has be hard to get enough sleep because I keep waking up in the night with erections, but it is what is.... no pain no gain as they say! :)
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713681

Day 7 from procedure, feeling good and honestly the swelling has decreased alot! I am amazed how quickly the healing process is. At night I wake up still from the pain of erections (50% one's) But that's fine at least you know things are working.

I need to get a measurement of that 50% (im guessing because its bandaged erection) I keep forgetting because of the pain, but it would be interesting to see the girth just for shits and giggles.

But anyways here are some more pictures, I am trying to improve on how I do them but yeah...1 hand on cock and the other on the phone and using fingers to hold the measure not easy. Time to ask wife for re-enforcement.

This might be wishful thinking but a good 100% erection if im sitting at 13cm -13.5 cm flaccid girth I am looking at 6 inches + easily. fingers ? crossed

P.S. There has been a bit of dry skin and mild peeling at the base/root of the penis. Its because of the compression bandage there is a bit of friction going on where the bandage ends. So I stole some of my wife's 3-in-1 Soothing Micellar Water, Very Rose 200 ml by a company called "Nuxe" for this ALL natural no chemicals. Rose water has a very sterile/antimicrobial, anti inflammatory hydrating and soothing properties. On day 7 in the evening I applied some of this stuff on a cotton pad and dabbed it on the dry areas left it there for 5 minutes and then dabbed again with another dry pad to keep thins well.....DRY! :D Try it its nice, makes the wife happy to help too coz she feels useful in the process.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713704

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Congratulations! It is looking good!
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713706

Thanks buddy I appreciate you saying that, it's only 8 days in but it feels pretty firm I have to say. I always believed because the graft is made of skin, that it would be really soft and would harden up over time with added collagen build up. But in my case it appears to be the other way around. Either way if I am at 13.5 cm Girth now and that is at Flaccid + there is some collagen formation to add to that, the Girth increase should be quite substantial. Let me know your opinion on that when you have time to drop another line. Thanks again for your support.

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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713710

Quite impressive results, I'm really stoked that a Clinic Internationally is performing good work, not everyone can afford to travel to the States for meaningful gains.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713711

Thanks you guys, it's means alot that both of you approve of my results. I am doing my best with my after care. I want to be worthy of representing the good work this clinic has done for me. But most of all I don't want to let me self down. I quit drinking, smoking, I'm careful with my food...not to mention I travelled half way around the world to do this. Your kind words hit home right now.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 4 months ago #1308713730

You definitely have some really good results thus far! I’ll be following your progress carefully. Thank you for sharing!
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 3 months ago #1308713733

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It definitely was the other way around for me. I’m ~9 months into this, and still have some hardness left. It is softening though. The only time I notice it is Flaccid, when I’m Erect I don’t notice it at all. Surgimend is known for potentially taking longer to soften than other Dermal Grafts. At 8 days you probably still have some swelling going on. For me, it was about maintaining the Girth, and I think as the swelling went down, the collagen build up was taking place keeping my gain steady.. Dr Liu did tell me that for this type of procedure healing and collagen buildup can take over a year, which given my experience with this so far I believe him.

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skiman wrote: It definitely was the other way around for me. I’m ~9 months into this, and still have some hardness left. It is softening though. The only time I notice it is flaccid, when I’m erect I don’t notice it at all. Surgimend is known for potentially taking longer to soften than other dermal grafts. At 8 days you probably still have some swelling going on. For me, it was about maintaining the girth, and I think as the swelling went down, the collagen build up was taking place keeping my gain steady.. Dr Liu did tell me that for this type of procedure healing and collagen buildup can take over a year, which given my experience with this so far I believe him.


I do understand that this will take time to reach its optimal out come, I have made many life choices for the better to assist with that. I have replaced alcohol with best marine collagen money can buy, replaced cigarettes with good quality vitamins / supplements. I eat garlic like its candy now, and parsley to get rid of the smell, and I avoid the a/c because apparently keeping a wound warm helps it heal a lot faster!

But who am I kidding I can't wait to use this thing between my legs :P I am going to wait 6 weeks tops and then I am going caveman mode on wifey. Thing is I don't know when I will be able to get 100% erections and when my penis will be back to its original length after healing. I am guessing the 45 day rule is possible... But I think 2-3 months is going to be the real time I can test drive my new unit with pride as intended.

I hate to be the stupid guy that rushes into things, but you have not seen my wife... she is 1.7m tall 58kg and she struts around me in her pantie's all evening provoking me and teasing me that I can't do anything. Its crazy how much she is messing me with :woohoo: :evil:

I live and work in a hot country so my formula is: Get up in the morning, Have my 1) eggs/brown bread toast avocado+garlic spread Wash it down with my protein shake with 15ml of hydrolyzed marine collagen supplement.

2) For lunch I have legumes, salad with either salmon or sardines (with bones in olive oil) Lots of lemon and tiny bit of salt.

3) Roasted chicken and potatoes with (broccoli, mushrooms, carrots) And I take my vitamins: Vitamin C+ zinc and my multi vitamin gel capsule. Every single day I don't change anything. Because my wife is Asian sometimes she brings some crazy stuff home like Chicken feet (loaaaaded with collagen its in the skin) And If i can bear it I might have pig ears as well.

I have become a total nutcase just to make this work and heal faster!

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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 3 months ago #1308713735

I didn't mention the exact details of my procedure earlier, I guess I was overly excited to spill the beans that I forgot vital facts/details pertaining to my entire procedure and the costs.

So here is the down low to keep my topic interesting for Phalloboardians!

So Proud Urology as you know offers the 5S procedure! The S is short for star....so yeah its 5 stars! ;)

it costs 5500 dollars but that includes: 1) Girth enhancement with (5cmx6cm Megaderm graft) Here is the kicker if your penis is longer than say 11cm flaccid it is more likely you will need the longer skin graft which literally costs 1500 dollars more so the whole 5s procedure suddenly becomes 7000 dollars.

2) Lengthening
3) Premature Ejaculation delay therapy
4) PRF (Plasma Rich Fibrin) Treatment which is actually superior to PRP that most of us are more familiar with. But not the kind your thinking that they inject into the "corpus cavernosum" which is PRP we all have heard about known as the "Priapus Shot".
The PRF treatment their talking about is basically injected version of your blood under and onto the Megaderm skin graft so that its survival rate is guarantied, healing and anti inflammation is increased 10 fold over the course of about 7-14 days maybe even longer. It is a must to protect your self, think of it like insuring your success a bit more. Or like waxing the paint on your brand new car but instead of a CAR, its your DICK and instead of WAX its your blood BLOOD spun in a centrifuge to get the best parts of your blood the super healing proteins and its spread over the skin graft that will give you all that lovely girth!

5) Finally its the glans enhancement where they basically inject your glans with a liquid form of Megaderm but its at a special area that its most safe to do so around the crown of your helmet lets say, check their website to double check everything I said if you like.

So in my case because all I cared about was Girth, lasting longer in bed and and healing properly and faster so I went with 3 out of the 5s options (I chose Girth with the larger 5cmx8cm (1500 dollars more), Premature ejaculation therapy and PRF

They will not reduce the price of the basic package of 5500 dollars because it is already quite a good price (a bargain even) and they are in high demand and very busy as a clinic. Their not exactly begging people to come sort of thing it's totally up to you.

So I avoided lengthening because I knew I would have to spend even more money on the 5cmx10cm dermal graft which will incur even more expenses and its more work to maintain the results, you have to keep tugging on it 5 times a day or use stretchers all the time every day to insure the length stays and even then its not a total guarantee you will get to keep that length. It is the riskiest of all the procedures. "That is just my opinion by the way" I am extremely biased about ligament cut because I never cared about having extra length. So yeah don't pay any attention to me if you feel you need it.



So now you have read all that, the basic package they offer is : Girth 5cmx6cm megaderm, lengthening with diamond technique sutures, glans enlargement with Mega fill (thick liquid form of Megaderm graft), premature ejaculation therapy and PRF for 5500 dollars total, which lets face it is a very sweet deal.

I had Girth with the longer graft 5cmx8cm (1500 dollars more), Premature ejaculation therapy and PRF, they offered me a discount of 500 dollars so I paid 6500 dollars total. I didn't try to negotiate because I wanted to be respectful and not annoy anyone especially the surgeon on the day of my surgery! My aim was to make a good impression in a far away land and to be liked and respected in the hopes that would be reflected on to me in my end result. That is how I conduct my self with everyone in my life anyway and it has not failed me yet..

I feel they were very good to me. I got picked up from the air port for free, was given a months supply of bandaging, medicine, I had a translator at my disposal who was busy but still stuck with me close especially when it mattered. And He also arranged a concierge taxi to take me to the airport when I had to depart to go back home. So it was amazing because I have not traveled in like a decade...I have no clue how to speak Korean. Yet in that sense my stress levels were extremely low considering my language handicamps and lack of experience in travel and having medical procedures.

They were 5 stars indeed! I could never thank them enough.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 3 months ago #1308713759

Great info. That is a hell of a deal for everything that you get. I look forward to seeing your progress and hearing how effective the pre-mature ejaculation portion was. Did they only cut at the pelvis or did they also cut around the circ scar like I see them do in their video?
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MacVette07 wrote: Great info. That is a hell of a deal for everything that you get. I look forward to seeing your progress and hearing how effective the pre-mature ejaculation portion was. Did they only cut at the pelvis or did they also cut around the circ scar like I see them do in their video?


They installed the Megaderm graft from pubic bone region. They offered to do it from the circmumsicion scar to offer me a better esthetic resulting circmumsicion but I was too chicken to let them do it. In my mind I said to my self what's done is done in the past and I don't like to take any extra unnecessary risks. I had my original circmumsicion here in Cyprus in February 2023 so I didn't want more scar tissue in the same area duplicated also having stitches right next to my graft just didn't sit well with me. I know I'm a bit paranoid but that's just a part of my nature. Besides even though my original circmumsicion isn't the best looking it worked..I achieved 7 Inch Erection prior to the procedure in Korea.

I really hope that once this skin graft is fully integrated that I can still have that length or at least very close to it. I really hope that.

P.s In my previous post I said I was biased against ligament cut. But that doesn't change the fact that I have never done it, and if Proud Urology would do it for you I am pretty sure they would do a great job.

Additionally their 5S procedure is really value packed so let's say you had the extra cash to spend and enough penile skin to have ligament cut and that biggest Megaderm graft they offer + you win the ligament size increase (""), I would have no doubt in my mind they could theoretically make you enormous. And the Megaderm does have a certain weight to it, I can testify to that!. My Flaccid length on its own before was like 11cm maybe a tiny bit less on a cold day. But now it's actually 0.5 - 1 cm longer when it's untouched and free to hang...And I did not even have the ligament cut! The 5x8cm graft gave my Dick a certain weight to it. I guess I am saying I can kiss retracting penis good bye to an extent. How ever I live in a very hot country anyway. Can't put my hand on the bible that this will be the cas in the winter or for people in very cold climates.

I hope I am making sense...a ligament cut, plus the weight of a 5x10cm skin graft might actually hold your extra length in position. I am speculating though to be honest.

I was just not rich enough and basically a bit too much of a coward to take the chance because I don't like ("") for the extra Flaccid length. But if I had the money after experiencing their skills..I might now. Oh well water under the bridge now as they say. Below are my latest (By the way my hands are quite big oddly enough) :"completely" Flaccid BASE Girth of 13.5cm is still holding and MID Girth of 13.3cm approximately. I have to be careful when I measure because the compressive wrap bandage does make the size a bit tighter due to compressing the skin around the implant, and also being out of the compressive wrap for too long might caused swelling. But I feel safe saying I am between 13-13.5cm Flaccid Girth range and I am very happy about that because I know I am a Grower anyway. When I finally get to 100% erections my penis Girth will be really impressive and I really can't wait to show you guys, because those are the numbers that matter the most to me! And you cannot BS your away around a rock solid Erection it's ironclad.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 3 months ago #1308713852

skiman wrote: It definitely was the other way around for me. I’m ~9 months into this, and still have some hardness left. It is softening though. The only time I notice it is flaccid, when I’m erect I don’t notice it at all. Surgimend is known for potentially taking longer to soften than other dermal grafts. At 8 days you probably still have some swelling going on. For me, it was about maintaining the girth, and I think as the swelling went down, the collagen build up was taking place keeping my gain steady.. Dr Liu did tell me that for this type of procedure healing and collagen buildup can take over a year, which given my experience with this so far I believe him.


DAY 20 - About half way until I can enjoy some pussy again! :evil: :lol: Hope I am allowed to be a bit rude because I am clearly not getting any at the moment! :(

I am starting to realize its a mistake to not take multiple measurements of flaccid and erect state along the entire 3 points of he shaft before doing a procedure to know exactly what to expect (or basically to remember exactly where you started from before your procedure in detail)

I remember why I didn't like taking my flaccid measurements and measurements at 3 different points of the shaft. (Base, Mid and Near glans measurements), I had this habit of taking my measurements of girth at the base of my penis especially when erect because that was the thickest part. I have a chili pepper shaped penis (so its thickest at the base and gradually thinning out toward the top "glans") where I was 13.1 cm erect girth at the base!, it would drop to 12.5 cm or so in the middle and then to 11.5 cm just below the head, approximately because there is no way to verify this any more because obviously I have my graft implant now so yeah these are rough guesses. Although theoretically since I know for sure the base was 13.1 cm erect girth, I could work out the middle and end of shaft by deduction of my base initial erect girth and final erect girth after procedure 4-6 weeks in. Basically subtracting 2cm would be my previous erect girth along all the points of length. Waiting longer might yield different results due to skin tightness and sutures. A doctor would know better than me. I will explain this a lot better once I my self know what is going on that is a promise haha!

It's just funny because I got my hopes up that I would have 6 inch girth throughout the entire length of my penis, but im seeing now that the swelling is almost gone.. and that I might have to settle for 15cm maybe slightly more at the base, and then it will decline after that conforming to my original shape prior to the engraftment. So the out come could be something like 15+cm Erect Girth Base, 14+cm at mid and 13+cm just under the glans. The + is like a differential of (0.2cm to 0.5cm) its hard to tell with my erections atm the size changes to that degree! its crazy. And in general the descending girth size is not a literal step but a gradual decline due to my shape. So still got the chili pepper shape but much thicker than before. Kind of a bummer really but it's to be expected. And I have no clue how collagen is going to play into this over time. This will just add to my uncertainty which is very annoying for a person like me, however its not a bad result by any means! It's still much bigger lol but yeah I played my self a bit in my own mind.

Anyway I have been able to get a good erection , but I don't feel like posting AFTER procedure erect photos until I am happy with my results, so please bear with me. Right now its still shorter than before obviously, it hurts when I get super hard and I definitely don't think im at my girth cap because im only 20 days in and I do feel the restrictive forces at play "down there". I am going to wait another week before I post any erect photos. I just want to be perfect, because I am kinda know im only gonna let my self down with the handicap of the skin still being tight a bit bruised, and painful erections due to tight sutures. In fact I have a feeling this is going to take a lot longer than just a week but what ever.

You can clearly see what I am talking about regarding my starting shape prior to my procedure. By checking my attached erect photo that shows the girth before surgery, the girth declines towards the glans gradually. Same goes for the after surgery flaccid photo "Top Angle" (it's the bottom right picture)

On a happier note my wife took one look at my dick when it was erect (in its still healing shorter state) And she her self was WoW'd and said it looks a lot thicker. And she does not give compliments easily, she never sugar coats stuff for me lol. But there is like 4-5 cm of it still not expanded (Length wise) yet when erect, that's gonna take a few months to sort out for sure due to healing and the tight graft sutures still in play.
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Bicboyanaconda's journey to South Korea Proud Urology 1 year 3 months ago #1308713902

Day 23 I decided to go ahead and upload some pictures, and I even made a couple of videos for you guys. There are days I feel I'm totally fine. But when I get very hard I realise I am not there yet in terms of healing and should be careful.

There is an Erect video too, I tried to watch some porn + Cialis, and ended up feeling a stitch pop...so yeah kinda lost the mood keep trying to get Erect at that point but I made a semi Erect (70%) video so I wouldn't have popped a stitch for nothing! The stuff I do for you guys Sheesh! I think I'm ok though. I didn't see any blood or bruising form. But I bandaged up and said a hail Mary n hoping for the best.

It's about time they came out their really tight stitches, but there there for my own good. Here are my most recent Flacid photos first though.
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