TOPIC: Say what!! EQStudent + Dr. C == 20cc in the PP

@bones
Here is a table I used as a starting point ~17 months ago. Wow does time fly.

Revised my post above: I rank the options from a risk/cost/result satisfaction perspective: Procedure: ranks the risk of the actual procedure as low, medium, or high. Risk short: ranks the short term risk which I define as < 180 days.Risk mid: ranks the medium term risk which I define as < 3 years.Risk long: ranks the short term risk which I define as >3 years.Cost: ranks the total cost of the procedure. < $5K is low, $5K to $10K is medium > $10K is highResult: ranks the satisfaction with the outcome from my perspective. This is totally subjective based on my standard which is does the unit look or feel like “something” has been done to it. Product procedure Risk short Risk mid Risk long Cost ResultFFT medium low low low medium goodArtefill low low medium medium medium NANewPlastic low medium medium high low goodAlloderm high high low low high goodBellaDerm high high low low high excellentRepriza high high low low high NADermal high high low low high poorElist high high medium low high poorScaffold very high high low low high poor


phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Its...ing-5389823?trail=30

I am not sure I would change much today. Hope this helps you in your journey!

Good luck with your decision.

Thanks a bunch eqstudent.

In your chart \"New Plastic\" is representing all types PMMA or just one type PMMA?

Your chart is kinda making lean toward Belladerm again. How did you come to \"excellent\" as result for Belladerm?
Why didn\'t you go with Bella? Was it just because of the initial HIGH risk?

Thanks again!

bones wrote: Thanks a bunch eqstudent.

In your chart \"New Plastic\" is representing all types PMMA or just one type PMMA?

Your chart is kinda making lean toward Belladerm again. How did you come to \"excellent\" as result for Belladerm?
Why didn\'t you go with Bella? Was it just because of the initial HIGH risk?

Thanks again!

I don\'t want to be dismissive of EQ\'s chart, but it\'s just his opinion and I think a lot should have been different at the time and much should be changed now.

Sorry EQ.

In terms of end result the best is Dermal graft. It\'s an invasive and risky procedure, but if one gets through the recovery period, then in terms of both gains and aesthetics it\'s the best. I\'ve been on PE forums for years and have seen loads and loads of results and followed the progress of numerous men and nothing beats a dermal graft for end result. Don\'t go down that route though, as grafts and the penis don\'t mix well, which is why you should stay away from Belloderm.

There is no real difference between Alloderm and Belloderm, other than Belloderm is taken from living people and comes in set size and works out slightly cheaper for the surgeon. So don\'t really see why one is gives a \"good\" result and the other \"excellent.\"

Since EQ made the chart we\'ve seen two members who had Belladerm report that the graft is changing and their penis is starting to bend. The same thing actually happened to the infamous Chad Hedman. So I think the medium term risk needs to be increased to \"high\" from \"low\". Also the result was deemed \"excellent\", but I\'m not sure what criteria this was judged on. 17 months ago Soma still had an excellent result, but since then he seems to have experienced a lot of absorption. Yardstick lost most of his gains. Candybars had to have his graft removed, asit was constrictive and he could feel it. He has lost sensation in his shaft. So, I don\'t think the results can still be deemed excellent.

FFT rarely produces \"good\" results. In terms of consistency of result and overall patient satisfaction once the surgical and healing process has been successfully navigated, then I think it should rank is lowly as the Elist implant.

The scaffold procedure itself isn\'t \"very high\" risk, but the surgeons who do it are real cowboys. Their surgical technique seems to be appalling. The procedure it itself should be pretty straightforward and the material is much safer to be used on the penis than the allografts (ie Belladerm). In terms of cost it is lower than most FFT procedures, so should be ranked as \"medium.\"



The medium term risk of the Elist implant should also be \"high\" and not \"medium\". Infections and pain leading to remvoal have been reported a long time after surgery.

Agree with H10...From what we know today, elisistaster (elist disaster) is the worst option available.

For me, I feel that the PMMA, again with what we know today, is the best \"overall option\". I am not biased that I have had this procedure, but I have seen, read and experienced some of these options and \"for me\" PMMA is the best option....YMWV..

Happy Holidays to all the crazy PE readers on here

eqstudent wrote: @SizemicHave you slept with any before/after and did they tell you the sex was better with the new size or are you concluding just by your perception of their reaction?

Hmm niether specifically said sex was \"better\" now. Just different. The highented responce is just my conclusion that its at least marginally better...

I can imagine if one weren\'t to get any work done, but just pull out some awesome kinky moves or be super in tune with their body they could get a \"hightened reaction\" without changing their Dick at all.

The more I see it... it seems to make a slight difference, but far less of a difference then we think. That\'s why I cringe when I see dudes with natural 5.25\" + girths (or BIGGER than average) getting PMMA... (Based on MY experience) they wont see a vastly better responce from girls... even then, I had 5.25\"+ after round one and still went in for more rounds so who\'s to tell you that you shouldn\'t.

I just think that dudes with 5\" Girth+ shouldnt be motivated by feeling inadequate because at that size its really not inadequate at all.

I should add:

I am currently sleeping with a 28 year old who has had 30 partners... I am lucky 30.

Her: \"Why is your Dick so fat!... I have seen A LOT of dicks and trust me... your\'s is crazy thick.\"

Me: (I use my Priapsm excuse... it seems smart and believable).

Her: \"Well I almost stopped us before we had sex because I didn\'t really want to put it in me...\"

Me: \"Really?... You don\'t like it?\"

Her: \"No... I do, it just hurts a bit at first, then gets really good... then hurts if we go for very long.\"

The convo kinda just dwindles into other pillow talk from there... the only reason I am sharing this is because at least in HER case... She would likely have slightly more enjoyment out of a less girthy penis then mine. She has seen a lot of Dick... and for her a big one didn\'t really turn her on any more than an average one would have. Just an interesting thought. Of course other girls DO get turned on by it so don\'t go thinking that I am stating that its not a turn on for them... just in reality not every girl is a size queen who will wish you have a bigger than average penis.

Throughout this whole PE experience I have learned a lot about penis size.

Thanks for the insight, guys!

I still wanna roll the dice though & STILL not sure if I should place my bet on PMMA or Bella.. arghh.

Sizemic wrote: Hmm niether specifically said sex was \"better\" now. Just different. The highented responce is just my conclusion that its at least marginally better...

That is the exact same response I got and I have had long conversations with most of my before and afters!

Sizemic wrote: Her: \"No... I do, it just hurts a bit at first, then gets really good... then hurts if we go for very long.\"

I also have had similar comments from some women including my ex-GF. Double sessions almost never occurs anymore, same with sex the morning after. In fact I was having way less with my GF sex post PMMA at 5.5\" than I had at 4.75\"!

Sizemic, much respect for telling it like it is. I really hope things work out for you!

I have been asked by PMs about US docs who do PMMA. Here is one that I have consulted with:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Any...nta-5410889?trail=15

There is another in Florida whose name escapes me at the moment. If I find the info I will add it later.

hoddle10 wrote: I don\'t want to be dismissive of EQ\'s chart, but it\'s just his opinion and I think a lot should have been different at the time and much should be changed now.

Sorry EQ.

Nothing to be sorry about @hoddle10, bones asked me for my deciding factors and I told him. I am certainly glad you gave him your opinion. The more opinions the better!

I really appreciate your opinions guys, thanks!

Almost a year out, how is your PMMA doing eqstudent? Any new changes how you or your new package is feeling?

thx

@bones

No new changes other than what I posted in my 9 month update:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/sho...5981934&postcount=54

bones wrote: Eqstudent, I\'ve been reading some of your debates on size & weather woman seem to prefer it or not. My take on it is, there\'s the physical side than theres the psychological side. Physically, I truly believe in the term, \"Child bearing hips.\" The wider the hips the more a woman can take, if she has narrow hips she may experience more pain.

I had an GF with narrow hips & when I pumped myself up to 6eg she never really got used to it. It was painful most of the time, even after 2 years & she never seemed turned on by the size. I also think psychologically she was somewhat conservative sexually. BUT, many years before her I had another GF with narrow hips & she was a size queen, size & pain turned her on. She also told me that when she was young she often watched her older brothers VHS porn video collection. So, I think there was a psychological element going on with her being turned on by size.

Then, I\'ve also had a GF who was bigger boned (hips), obviously could take it & take more if she had to. But, wasn\'t really turned on by size. Also, she was kinda turned on by chicks. Then, there was another big hip GF that could take it & WANTED as much size as she could get. Again there was a psychological element with being turned on by size.

And, more recently I had a much younger GF (26) who told me she was always very sexual since young & still checks out porn on the Internet once in a while. Needless to say, she was a \'Size Queen\'.

Over all my experience is, chicks that were exposed to porn at a young age & liked it are more likely to be \'Size Queens\'.

Hormones also play a big role, another theory I have is chicks with more testosterone are more sexually aggressive & into pain thus = \'Size Queens.\' just a theory Lol

@bones I moved this here so as not to pollute @notsureyet\'s PR thread.

I think your theories are interesting but my SO is a very fit 5\"6, 140 and an ex jock with big bones, she just is not into pain and neither am I. I agree that some women are into pain. I agree that there is a psychological element behind some women\'s fascination with penis size.

The biggest loosest vagina I have ever had out of the 100 or so women that I have slept with was attached to a 5\'1\" 105 lb hottie. I put my entire hand in her, thumb included, all the way PAST my wrist. There was very little resistance, she loved it, and came down my arm. I have had loose and tight pussy in all shapes and sizes before I was married. I was quite the whore. I can say from my experience there is no correlation between a woman\'s body shape and size and her vagina. The only pussies that I\'ve found to be consistently tight are those of fitness chicks. I don\'t mean works out once or twice a week, but women who are at or near the fitness model level. They always seem to be able to squeeze like a vice. I had one that could clamp her pussy so tight that I had to work to get a single finger in her. She took a lot of pride in her vagina and so did I lol. I also have found no consistent evidence that would suggest why some women can easily have multiple orgasms and others it is impossible. I have always taken a lot of time to make sure that the woman I am with is pleased. I always do my best bring them to orgasm with oral and foreplay before sex and some women no matter what you do just aren\'t going to cum. Let no one tell you that a woman can\'t be pleased, even with a average or smaller Dick. If you get their pilot lit they can suck start a leaf blower. Once they have a few orgasms from oral and foreplay it is easy to make them cum with penetrative sex whether you are hung like Mr. ED or not. After a good warm up they will cum pretty easily from anal also if you can get them to let you do it. I have had several women come without touching their vagina. Its not all about the Cock, in fact more times than not, it isn\'t. Just my experience, not gospel.

notsureyet82 wrote: The biggest loosest vagina I have ever had out of the 100 or so women that I have slept with was attached to a 5\'1\" 105 lb hottie. I put my entire hand in her, thumb included, all the way PAST my wrist...

Wow, fisting and anal. Dude you have way more stuff in your arsenal than I would ever attempt! Good for you.

notsureyet82 wrote: Let no one tell you that a woman can\'t be pleased, even with a average or smaller Dick...

Well some people will say all kind of things doesn\'t mean I will agree.

Last night I went out for drinks with a group of women from one of our client companies. After we were all feeling no pain I asked if any of them had ever rejected a man because of the size of his penis. Some responded if I had ever rejected a woman because of the size of her VJJ. I though and said no, I never think about the size, I\'m just trying to get in there. They all laughed and said same here!

I have never had a VJJ that was so big that I could put my fist into it or so small that I could not get into it so I can\'t say for sure. They all seemed around the same size to me and I was able to work with all of them.