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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712139

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Who was the Provider - PM me if you dont want to say here. I am curious.

First off, There does NOT need to be a time limit at all on rolling / massaging . You have one Dick, take care of it and do it as much as you fucking want to . Plus, by doing so you mobilizing the lymphatic fluid to get the fuck out.
Yes, swelling can be misleading, which is why I recommend light compression and constant massage rolling - but not forceful enough to push material out into the body, but enough to shape material. NEXT: in order to move most of the fillers ( Sans HA ) you will need heat - this bathwater shit AINT GONNA CUT IT ! You need hot heat. after a few days, the fillers will be mostly set up. The jury is still out on the exact set up time frame for bella fill. But Im guesstimating approx 5-6 days on that one. Linea - 3 days. So as i have always said, those first 3-5 days should be spent shaping, rolling, and caring for your one and only cock.

As for swelling under the glans: 1. yes material can travel here = so heat, shape, and roll, every few hours & get erect 3 or 4 times a day if you can 2. Swelling under the glans is very common when you wear bandages, cock socks, and with most stretchers. = So again, you will want bandages that remove easily and can be put back on easily.


Very insightful, @Texas . Makes me think I should have started taking Ibuprofen asap after the procedure (linnea) instead of going with the "swelling produces gain" school of thought...

Question: would you say that the product is massagable enough so that you could theoritically move all of the filler from one half of the penis and make it stay in another. For example: After round one my base can go all the way up to 8" so I'd like my 2nd round to concentrate more on TEG (however tight that skin may be..) and MEG instead, can filler be moved that much post up or are the massages more targeted at correcting deformities ?

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Some quick points. Getting an erection frequently is good. No need to limit it. ( not that you were, just adding this )

I would like to very much encourage the use of HOT water over anything a bath or shower can produce. I preferred to microwave wet dish rags to HOT, not enough to burn but hot as fuck !!! That a key to making the product more malleable than it otherwise would. In the absense of a microwave I suppose there are other creative things like a coffee maker if they have one ( the old ones with a damn pot - lol ). * I have heard that the hotel there in TJ doesnt have microwaves in the rooms or not in all, I would ask.

I found it much easier and better to massage to flaccid - this way I could massage downward with fear of moving any product into the body cavity area or sac. And I did this a LOT so that many erections were out of the question.

Im not sure why you cant massage / Roll and a dry penis. So if thats a recommendation --- eeehhhh - id say this is more of a do whats comfortable to you thing.

Next, I dont know about sleeping with the penis pointed upward. I am of the opinion that keeping pointed downward will maintain the best product retention and uniformity as well appearance outcome. If you feel the need to point it upward - i would suggest doing so during the day where you can watch things more closely.


One good idea is to buy a travel neck pillow doughnut. Not a cheap one either. Sleep face down with the doughnut on pelvis to allow penis to hang at night.


@willyWonka yes, you are correct, thats a great idea. I have done that as well. I think i posted about it somewhere in this thread, or my other one about the filler procedures. Either way, I agree. I used 3, or 4, I think and then used pillows to make a bed on my bed with a long dick hole to go down. haha. then stay up late until im ready to pass out so I can get the most sleep as possible. One of the other biggest points I make about the aftercare time frame is: Plan not to fuck sleep much. Focus all your efforts for the next 3 days, and maybe 5 with bellafil on making sure your dick looks good. If more people did this, there would be les complaints.

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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712141

I prefer my penis pointing upward while sleeping, i wrote about it, i want to minimize PMMA and fluid in the Frenulum (i guess extra important for me cause i have a little Foreskin left)

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Texas wrote: @Dbrphallo
Who was the Provider - PM me if you dont want to say here. I am curious.

First off, There does NOT need to be a time limit at all on rolling / massaging . You have one Dick, take care of it and do it as much as you fucking want to . Plus, by doing so you mobilizing the lymphatic fluid to get the fuck out.
Yes, swelling can be misleading, which is why I recommend light compression and constant massage rolling - but not forceful enough to push material out into the body, but enough to shape material. NEXT: in order to move most of the fillers ( Sans HA ) you will need heat - this bathwater shit AINT GONNA CUT IT ! You need hot heat. after a few days, the fillers will be mostly set up. The jury is still out on the exact set up time frame for bella fill. But Im guesstimating approx 5-6 days on that one. Linea - 3 days. So as i have always said, those first 3-5 days should be spent shaping, rolling, and caring for your one and only cock.

As for swelling under the glans: 1. yes material can travel here = so heat, shape, and roll, every few hours & get erect 3 or 4 times a day if you can 2. Swelling under the glans is very common when you wear bandages, cock socks, and with most stretchers. = So again, you will want bandages that remove easily and can be put back on easily.


Very insightful, @Texas . Makes me think I should have started taking Ibuprofen asap after the procedure (linnea) instead of going with the "swelling produces gain" school of thought...

Question: would you say that the product is massagable enough so that you could theoritically move all of the filler from one half of the penis and make it stay in another. For example: After round one my base can go all the way up to 8" so I'd like my 2nd round to concentrate more on TEG (however tight that skin may be..) and MEG instead, can filler be moved that much post up or are the massages more targeted at correcting deformities ?


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In my personal opinion, but I have never tried to force that issue enough to know; the answer is: Sort of ! First, to a degree yes the fillers can be moved - and more so in the 24 hours, then less each day; and even more so if antagonised by heat. We know this because all fillers have been shown to migrate some and cause irregularities and look off; and not just the type of irregularities that would be from the cavernous spaces in each person's penis. ( a COMMON issue with most peoples first round of treatment )
However, how much will it move is probably more of an unanswered question given that I doubt many, if any, have tried to physically force their fillers into new spaces.
Now, having said that, supposing you got injections only in areas that you wanted addressed; like the mid and top, then I would apply heat and massage and roll MANY times per day to keep the material shapely and uniform and in those areas. I would keep the penis pointed downward to avoid backward migration. And if there were any odd looking areas, and still during the period where things are malleable, then i would heat and and mold/move the filler into the area I wanted it - which shouldn't be that far away. ( not from one side to another , haha )

Back to your point of targeting. After my first round I had some irregularities, specifically one area where there was a fairly noticeable depression; So when I got my second round I wanted to make sure that area got right. So we put a bit of extra material there, and the rest was up to me make sure that it all stayed there and didn't move. So I followed all this advice that i have laid out here. BUUUTT, a huge but: I was motherfucking diligent if not relentless with my efforts for success.

Last Point: for those with circ scars that may have some issues; I would certainly, on my first round, try and force some filler upwards and push through that scar tissue or any way possible to get closer to the glans. If you fail, what did you lose - it will work or it wont, and most should expect to get a second round any way to smooth out any issues .
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Dream wrote: I prefer my penis pointing upward while sleeping, i wrote about it, i want to minimize pmma and fluid in the frenulum (i guess extra important for me cause i have a little foreskin left)

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It's not ideal to do that though, but its your penis and your prerogative. Moreover, if you have any material going that far up, and you aren't sleeping all day like you shouldn't during this timeframe, then you will able to heat the material and massage back into place where you like it.
The migration from the base is all to documented by two of the longest running docs on here, so the goal is to counter that action as much as possible. That doesn't make your way wrong though- for you, if you are diligent enough to keep an eye on things and rectify things as they happen. But as you also know, a large portion of people that come here will get something done and have no plan to follow.

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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712149

Thanks @Texas , this is really helpful and has gone straight through my round 2 (end of June) prep Onenote. Round 2 will be a boner, heat and massage fest.

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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712151

Wish I had thought about sleeping with my penis down for the first 3 days. The airplane donut is a great idea. Perhaps that would have helped with migration of the Bellafil closer to my glands. As it stands, I still have a good quarter Inch gap between my glands and where the product settled creating that cavernous effect Phoenix mentioned. But it's nice to know that this isn't uncommon in the first round. The doc told me the area below the glands has difficulty absorbing the Bellafil. Hopefully this can be mitigated during round 2 which I'm scheduling for mid July.

As far as heating devices go, I have what looks and feels like an elongated bean bag which I bought from my chiropractor years ago. This device goes in the microwave and produces moist heat. It's what the chiro's use to heat your back up before they adjust it. The heat can last for easily 5 minutes and you can wrap your Dick in it easily enough. I used that every time I rolled. You can take it anywhere, but it has some weight to it. The problem is, most hotel rooms (including the one I stayed at in Atlanta), do not have a microwave in the room.

My plan for the second round (and third round if I get that far) is to book a round trip flight for the same day and get in and out. I thought staying in the hotel overnight and killing the entire next day by Hanging in the hotel room and waiting for my late afternoon flight was an incredible waste of time and precluded me from doing optimal aftercare. So next time I'm going to get everything done in one day so I can get back home and start heating and rolling a day earlier. And quite frankly, the novacaine works for many hours so flying home the same day as the procedure would be optimal for me.

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Dbrphallo wrote: Wish I had thought about sleeping with my penis down for the first 3 days. The airplane donut is a great idea. Perhaps that would have helped with migration of the Bellafil closer to my glands. As it stands, I still have a good quarter inch gap between my glands and where the product settled creating that cavernous effect Phoenix mentioned. But it's nice to know that this isn't uncommon in the first round. The doc told me the area below the glands has difficulty absorbing the Bellafil. Hopefully this can be mitigated during round 2 which I'm scheduling for mid July.

As far as heating devices go, I have what looks and feels like an elongated bean bag which I bought from my chiropractor years ago. This device goes in the microwave and produces moist heat. It's what the chiro's use to heat your back up before they adjust it. The heat can last for easily 5 minutes and you can wrap your dick in it easily enough. I used that every time I rolled. You can take it anywhere, but it has some weight to it. The problem is, most hotel rooms (including the one I stayed at in Atlanta), do not have a microwave in the room.

My plan for the second round (and third round if I get that far) is to book a round trip flight for the same day and get in and out. I thought staying in the hotel overnight and killing the entire next day by hanging in the hotel room and waiting for my late afternoon flight was an incredible waste of time and precluded me from doing optimal aftercare. So next time I'm going to get everything done in one day so I can get back home and start heating and rolling a day earlier. And quite frankly, the novacaine works for many hours so flying home the same day as the procedure would be optimal for me.


@Dbrphallo You are correct about most hotel rooms, thats a fact. I would purposely find a room with a microwave though, thats just me - if i stayed. For those that do stay, i implore them to do this.

For me personally though, I did exactly as you have said. I picked a procedure day ( filler only FYI ) that I was scheduled earlier in the am and made sure I had a flight out that evening back home. Once home I immediately began the aftercare process. If you are going to be in the airport an extended amount of time before your flight home and you feel like doing a bit of care there, You use some heat packs to heat things up and shape it once or twice - depending on your downtime time.

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Hi, I would love to help contribute to the convo and have some follow up questions. I plan on booking my first session with Avanti Derma end of this June for some permanent PMMA injections. I’ve had a consultation with Ian in April and he says I’ve got some retraction, even after my Circumcision 2019. He’s recommending the Phallotax add-on so it stays extended. I plan to go in on a Wednesday morning, since they recommend you stay 3 days for aftercare and only work M-F.

First, plan on sneaking in a microwave. I wonder if the hotel would say something about it? I plan on packing it in my luggage. Hopefully that makes it seem a lot more conspicuous. They sell these smaller conventional ones on Amazon for about $70.

Bring some Cialis to take immediately after your session.
Q - can Ian help you get some or is it easy enough to find in TJ?
Are there any over the counter medicine to help continue keeping you extended/ opposed to Turtling?
As for other pills, could I continue my daily regimen or should I pause on mixing those with the Cialis?
I currently take Tongkat Ali, Alpha GPC, Horny goat weed, Fabrosia Agostis, and Yohimbe every other day during the week. They’re a part of my weight lifting routine.

As for Hangers, I have an all day stretcher but I’m worried it might not fit when I’m swollen. I’m currently 5.2 inches girthy and I imagine I’d get closer to 6 inches circumference once swollen.
I also have the zen Hanger and plan to bring it for stretching while standing and driving home from TJ to LA.
I also have the Hydromax bath mate but I know I’d have to wait at least a week before I plan to reuse it and only then do light pumping, if at all.

As for the massage, I understand that I need to regularly massage Erect by hand every 3 hours, 24/7 for at least the first 3 days immediately after the injections. It sounds like I would use vitamin E oil. You can use the ok sign from the base to the glands or you can massage it on a counter with some type of rolling pin (I’m thinking a pizza roller?)

And finally, for sleeping, you can sleep on your back so long as you’re not fully reclined and semi-rested (think Lazy boy), invest in a donut that you place on your crotch in the middle of your Erect penis, attach some sort of stretching device (either ESL or the zen Hanger and attach some light weights that will rest on the donut?

Looking forward to any input/ clarification.

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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712174

I don't understand this yet completely:
I understand the concept of massaging when PMMA is in the 'wrong' place, so i would massage from where PMMA is 'too much' to area where there is 'too little PMMA'.
But when the PMMA is in the right place, why would i massage around and move the PMMA around?

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Dream wrote: I don't understand this yet completely:
I understand the concept of massaging when PMMA is in the 'wrong' place, so i would massage from where PMMA is 'too much' to area where there is 'too little PMMA'.
But when the PMMA is in the right place, why would i massage around and move the PMMA around?


Ah, don't sell yourself short brother, you've been around awhile.
First, it is to reduce the edema and flush out all of that excess fluid that is blocking our view and potentially distorting and disrupting our new fillers with a natural type of erosion. But more than that it is to make sure that the filler is staying in a uniform shape underneath the skin and underneath the fluid soaked swollen area. Let me be clear though, Since some of these terms are used for more than one purpose: there is massaging to shape and reduce fluid and achieve the most uniform look possible and then there is massing, in a rather hard manner, to move some material around and to another spot if something appears or is out of place. In the case of the latter, you would want to massage/roll for shape after this hard and rough activity make sure everything evens out.
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Odouble wrote: Hi, I would love to help contribute to the convo and have some follow up questions. I plan on booking my first session with Avanti Derma end of this June for some permanent PMMA injections. I’ve had a consultation with Ian in April and he says I’ve got some retraction, even after my Circumcision 2019. He’s recommending the Phallotax add-on so it stays extended. I plan to go in on a Wednesday morning, since they recommend you stay 3 days for aftercare and only work M-F.

First, plan on sneaking in a microwave. I wonder if the hotel would say something about it? I plan on packing it in my luggage. Hopefully that makes it seem a lot more conspicuous. They sell these smaller conventional ones on Amazon for about $70.
I totally thought you were fucking around with this comment at first. lol. Im so shocked that don't have a room there with a damn microwave. But hey, it is what it is. Shit, maybe theres a store nearby you can buy one and bring it back, and leave it there after.

Bring some Cialis to take immediately after your session. Yes, I would keep some coursing through the veins
Q - can Ian help you get some or is it easy enough to find in TJ? yes, its easy to come by at almost every pharmacy there
Are there any over the counter medicine to help continue keeping you extended/ opposed to Turtling? small doses PT141 will keep you with an almost semi. SMALL doses lol. you dont want a hard on for a while - plus it makes you slightly nauseous at first then goes away
As for other pills, could I continue my daily regimen or should I pause on mixing those with the Cialis?
I currently take Tongkat Ali, Alpha GPC, Horny goat weed, Fabrosia Agostis, and Yohimbe every other day during the week. They’re a part of my weight lifting routine. unless your going under then I see no reason to stop taking of these. I never stopped any of my supplements for filler procedures. Max blood flow for me I even would do arm workouts and standing stuff - light weight mostly . Why not, I want to be standing as much as I could and staying busy.

As for Hangers, I have an all day stretcher but I’m worried it might not fit when I’m swollen. I’m currently 5.2 inches girthy and I imagine I’d get closer to 6 inches circumference once swollen.
I also have the zen Hanger and plan to bring it for stretching while standing and driving home from TJ to LA. If you mean there little green noose, then yeah use it for both stretching and Hanging. The little ball thingy they give you is decent as well, but it doesn't weigh shit ! You will need a tad more, but its better than nothing for sure.
I also have the Hydromax bath mate but I know I’d have to wait at least a week before I plan to reuse it and only then do light pumping, if at all. I would wait a little longer
maybe until your in the 3rd week or 4th. then go on like you used to


As for the massage, I understand that I need to regularly massage Erect by hand every 3 hours, 24/7 for at least the first 3 days immediately after the injections. It sounds like I would use vitamin E oil. You can use the ok sign from the base to the glands or you can massage it on a counter with some type of rolling pin (I’m thinking a pizza roller?).
1. You don't have to only massage Erect. In fact, i think more should be done soft. But certainly get Erect as much as you want to and then smooth her out and then let her drop and lock her up ( meaning back to stretching ) 2. you can just use your hands no need for rolling it on a counter or using a fucking roller. 3. I would NOT use an OK grip you could move to much material around - unless thats what you want to do. I would simply put my hand in the shape a V ( with the pinkys touching ) and slightly upward - this is really just to not push any material back into the body cavity, compress lightly, as much you feel is needed, and roll and shape.

And finally, for sleeping, you can sleep on your back so long as you’re not fully reclined and semi-rested (think Lazy boy), invest in a donut that you place on your crotch in the middle of your Erect penis, attach some sort of stretching device (either ESL or the zen Hanger and attach some light weights that will rest on the donut? Sleep anyway that you want to or can, but I would not wear a device to sleep; theres to much risk with that.

Looking forward to any input/ clarification.

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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712178

So I registered and stopped anontrawling specifically to ask: short of being so Erect for so long you end up a Priapism risk, is there such a thing as spending too much time Erect post injection? Thinking specific to PMMA/Ellanse, but I suppose HA might have the same validity in this context.

I ask because of the effects PT141/Bremelanotide has on me. I have a legit script, that I really don't need, but it's pretty much perpetual wood for me for a good 18ish hours , just ever so slightly going down JUST enough, just frequently enough, I don't do myself damage.

Any flaws in this thinking? My turtle-fu is pretty severe at times, I've just recently started Hanging to try and retrain the little fleshy idiot, but if I pin the PT141 right after I'd spend most of the time hard, regardless of pain (makes going #2 an adventure), and any molding I do would end up far more reflective of the settled product.

Am I dumb, a genius, or neither?

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itgoesthud wrote: So I registered and stopped anontrawling specifically to ask: short of being so erect for so long you end up a priapism risk, is there such a thing as spending too much time erect post injection? Thinking specific to pmma/ellanse, but I suppose HA might have the same validity in this context.

I ask because of the effects PT141/Bremelanotide has on me. I have a legit script, that I really don't need, but it's pretty much perpetual wood for me for a good 18ish hours , just ever so slightly going down JUST enough, just frequently enough, I don't do myself damage.

Any flaws in this thinking? My turtle-fu is pretty severe at times, I've just recently started hanging to try and retrain the little fleshy idiot, but if I pin the PT141 right after I'd spend most of the time hard, regardless of pain (makes going #2 an adventure), and any molding I do would end up far more reflective of the settled product.

Am I dumb, a genius, or neither?


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i dont think there are any dumb questions ( within reason - lol )

1. I have never advocated staying erect very long. In regular life or post procedure. To be Clear: you will want to keep your dick pointed downward the majority of the time. Getting erect is a secondary exercise, and you can do it a lot if you want. but as we have discussed in this thread a lot: We want to avoid filler migration back into the body.

2. For Pt 141: Yes it is a potent peptide that works great. That is why I stated to take it in a small dose to achieve max blood flow / engorgement but not quite wood. So if someone wanted to try it then they would need to get it a few weeks ahead of time and play around with the doses. For me: I can take a full MG and not get wood without stimulation. At 2mg its a solid semi all the time. But the nausea is way worse for me at 2mg .

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AFTERCARE 11 months 1 week ago #1308712184

On the first point so I understand properly: is it that excessive time spent Erect is a negative, or that it's ancillary/immaterial and we should be more concerned with using gravity to pull filler away from the base?

With HA my issue was when Flaccid I couldn't tell the difference between me, and the material, so I had to get hard to have anything to mold against. That's where I was going with that.

Is an Erection less necessary for molding with PMMA? Or is it just better to have short duration high intensity erections, do your thing, then let it go.

I plan on pulling an all nighter that first night, then at most a donut pillow nap before followup, just napping and hitting pre-workout to get through the first 48 after. As with most things in this realm a little temporary pain is worth it for an awesome Dick. To include extra hoops in aftercare (whether or not that includes a peptide that's a danger to drywall)

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