TOPIC: Peyronie's Disease & PMMA Journal

The left side was challenging & an issue 24 hours post op...and that void did not surprise me (if you go back in this journal - it starts on day 2 - and they even put more PMMA in there but it probably moved). Something is wrong w/ my anatomy there. But, I also have nodules on the left a little worse than the right. A lot of members have had these nodules go away without DWD\'s self-surgery so I hope that might happen so I don\'t have to open this up...they are kinda painful though.

I also have some pain on the right underside where one of my internal stitches is from my prior surgery. I can\'t imagine how Dr. C could have hit this since it is on a completely different level of tissue - but it hurts there & it hurt shortly after the procedure too. I have an internal stitch on the left too - in the same spot - but that doesn\'t hurt at all.

Anyway, it\'s still much better than what I looked like 4 years ago (below). I\'m not exactly sure how it will settle or why I have this right side pain. If I keep the half Inch, I will be happy... but some of this is definitely swelling because I can squeeze my penis and it will actually shrink a little bit - especially Flaccid.





2010 - Peyronies disease - so .. yeah it\'s a LOT better these days. To clarify the pic below, this was early days of the disorder. Then, I actually LOST Girth below the two indents to make my whole penis very narrow. It remodeled over time - this got down to 3.7\" Girth at the area under the head & ended at 4 over a few years...before I had the curve correction surgery. The surgery doesn\'t restore Girth or lost length much, though.

Day 20 update

Changes are slowing down day-to-day.

Pros:
- Up 1/2\" (TBD in a month when it\'s more final)
- The gaps and irregularities on the left side seem to be gone for now

Cons:
- Injection sites have hard spots - though the bb sized bumps went down. They\'re like seeds now.
- Large lump on lower right... would probably feel weird to someone else. Probably a product clump...not sure about being a seroma. How this would be fixed...I\'m not sure
- Hard Ridge right across the top / middle - actually under my original (birth) circ scar - which is shown on the pic w/ a line...it\'s hard to see, but my Urologist told me where it is. My operative degloving scar is doing okay so far. The ridge almost seems like it runs from one injection point to another. But given it\'s circ scar location, I wonder if there\'s an anatomical reason it is there - I remember other guys describing a ridge around that spot.

Misc
- Length doesn\'t seem like it\'s all there... can\'t explain. My BPEL is the same, but to have a \"full\" Erection now - I have to hold the fat pad back and sort of push out my penis.
- Preexisting asymmetry explains why the right side bulges out more...it\'s not anything to do w/ their procedure really. Maybe on follow-up it can be more symmetrical.

Things change so much in the first month... I still have a 1/2\" gain but I might have a little gap between the circ scar and glans that tons of people here have had. The nodules and lumps got really prominent around week 2 and 3, but they are going down already. The big hard one on the lower right shrunk in half - already - so that\'s good. I thought I was going to be stuck with it for months (or forever) - it couldve just been a collection of fluid like BDmike had.

It\'s hard not to watch the thing like a hawk right after the procedure - but it\'s probably best not to obsess over all the details like I was doing... I do think it\'s useful to monitor lost length, because I really think that in the first 6 weeks, you don\'t want to let retraction happen too much. I am just theorizing, but on one hand - it might make the collagen growth happen unevenly - and it might also cement the lost length in the retracted state. I can feel my traction device fighting much more resistance - and it\'s like it is all coming from that collagen layer that\'s forming now. Btw, The traction device isn\'t what caused the circ scar gap - it goes down below that.

The only thing that is sort of an \"issue\" is that I\'ve had some odd pain, and I read the journal by hans which described the exact same thing. I have itching, but then sometimes i have this pain around the urethra - like sore and almost like a burning pain...like a rugburn feeling. Also, after sex, i\'m like oh SHIT that hurts - for about 10 seconds...around the underside / base... not after masturbation. This could also be due to my PD issues - I have had pain since my december surgery...though that pain is more around the plication nodes than at the base or near the urethra.

Anyway - things are looking good for the most part. I\'ll take some pics in another few weeks. EQ is also a huge issue in terms of things... so it\'s hard to take fair b and a pics - I need to have viagra in my system. I naturally have bad EQ now post PD.

Week 4. Some problems are starting to set in. It\'s hard to keep an Erection & manage to take pics that also show these things - and they dont show that well completely Flaccid. So, I used an extender & you can see the problems. There\'s a build up of collagen around / below the circ scar - with nothing above it. There lower right lump that was like a jelly bean before is now harder. It\'s a smaller lump, but it feels more solid - like gravel.

The size gain seems to have dropped under 0.5\" now - I think I was at the largest around 2-3 weeks. Time will tell.

Week 5

- Skin looks more irregular than it did before PMMA...though it is worse in the pics, I think.
- Still have basically 1/2\" gain Erect. Girth gain is 3/4\" to 1\" in Flaccid state.
- Have to sort of \"push\" to get to full EL, or hold the fat pad down.
- Circ scar lump isn\'t as visible Erect - but it is there. I read sizemic had a similar thing. It\'s like a ridge around the circ scar.
- Lump on lower right is very hard and prominent when Erect.
- Deglove scar seems to have a few bumps in it - possibly, the PMMA adhered to this area

How are you feeling about it in general? Looks pretty good.

I feel 10 times better than pics can convey. Going from a 4.25 avg Girth to 4.75 avg may seem like a joke on here w/ people who are 6.5\" in circ - but it\'s a huge difference already. My Flaccid is much thicker and longer too... but Erect - yeah it was pretty amazing especially in week 2-3 when i was over 5\" Erect Girth. I got some very very enthusiastic head...and that\'s smaller than most guys start w/ here! Go figure. I guess...going from a deformed (curved and dented) shrimp penis to a straight, thicker penis (which is still not that big compared to the rest of the dicks out there) still has a big effect. If I can get to 5.25 - that would be perfect.

I wish docs in America would be more open to hearing / discussing this. It\'s life changing stuff...and for a Urologist to tell me \"never come back if you have complications\" after 4 years of seeing him (and he did the surgery to fix the curve) - I just don\'t get it. His colleague said he wasn\'t serious...but it was upsetting. I actually went back for an exam (post PMMA) and he couldn\'t tell a thing...nothing...PMMA is stealth lol. Especially 10% I guess. He just kept saying how good it looked and how it felt perfect... so go figure... it was full of PMMA! I wanted to ask him about the Nodule but I was legitimately scared to say anything. He didn\'t feel it bc it was pretty far down and it\'s not prominent Flaccid.

I noticed nobody cares about these \"irregularities\" - everyone just cares about size.

Hmm, that\'s heartening to hear. Happy for ya. And it\'s interesting what you say about how size is really all that matters, as opposed to any concern over irregularities. I\'ve done enough tours of duty in Chelsea to say that doesn\'t surprise me at all.

jake17tx wrote: Hmm, that\'s heartening to hear. Happy for ya. And it\'s interesting what you say about how size is really all that matters, as opposed to any concern over irregularities. I\'ve done enough tours of duty in Chelsea to say that doesn\'t surprise me at all.

Interesting because I was there last week and came away thinking that things like physical appearance and penis size aren\'t anywhere near as important as money and status. My experience of Manhattan was that money is king.

hoddle10 wrote: My experience of Manhattan was that money is king.

You\'re definitely right about women in NYC - but by Chelsea, he meant gay guys. In general, most gay guys don\'t care about money or status nearly as much as looks and your body (or penis).

With the Dick, there are two things going on...aesthetics and size. Some people have what I consider great looking dicks - which is pretty common in porn (but even then, some look weird). In real life, once in a while - you see an ivory (or ebony) shaft of glory w/ perfectly smooth skin & length/Girth ratio...and the right coloring , etc...everything. Most of the time, you don\'t see this... but if a guy has a huge penis, you ignore the problems (prominent sebaceous glands, or a raised circ scar, asymmetry, weird veins) cuz the you\'ve been turned on by the size. That\'s kinda what I was saying. I\'m not sure how much it would work on women though...seems like some journals show a success though!

I still have more rounds before I impress anybody - and will realistically never make it that big - but it\'s interesting to see people completely ignore my raised circ scar and prominent lump bc I was fairly thick and the PMMA gave me that \"meaty\" texture in the first few weeks (swelling plus product gives a heavy feeling to the penis which is kinda a turn on). I\'ve lost some Girth since then though... sadly!

Restoration wrote:

hoddle10 wrote: My experience of Manhattan was that money is king.

Yeah, we\'re talking straight women vs. gay men. By \"tours in Chelsea,\" he means - experience w NYC gay guys. Gay guys don\'t care about money or status nearly as much as looks and your body. Same as straight men viewing women, really. I have a lot of gay friends in NYC who are very (equally) successful, and the ones with partners tend to be the better looking ones...not sure what is going on in the pants, though.

With the Dick, there are two things going on... some people have what I consider great looking dicks - which is pretty common in porn (but even then, some look weird). In real life, once in a while - you see an ivory (or ebony) shaft of glory w/ perfectly smooth skin & length/Girth ratio...and the right coloring , etc...everything. Most of the time, you don\'t see this... but if a guy has a huge penis, you ignore the problems (prominent sebaceous glands, or a raised circ scar) cuz the you\'ve been hypnotized (dicknotized) by the size. That\'s kinda what I was saying. I\'m not sure how much it would work on women though...seems like some journals show a success.

I still have a few rounds before I dicknotize anybody - and will realistically never make it that big - but it\'s interesting to see people completely ignore my raised circ scar and prominent lump bc I was so thick and the PMMA gave me that \"meaty\" texture in the first few weeks. I\'ve lost some size though... it seems... TBD.

Oh I see, yes that makes sense, I\'d imagine money is way, way less important in the gay scene.

Rest\' your tool is looking good, considering you have been through a lot down there I think it make you more weary but looks much more better than before, can\'t wait to see the result from another round.

hoddle10 wrote:

Restoration wrote:

hoddle10 wrote: My experience of Manhattan was that money is king.

Yeah, we\'re talking straight women vs. gay men. By \"tours in Chelsea,\" he means - experience w NYC gay guys. Gay guys don\'t care about money or status nearly as much as looks and your body. Same as straight men viewing women, really. I have a lot of gay friends in NYC who are very (equally) successful, and the ones with partners tend to be the better looking ones...not sure what is going on in the pants, though.

With the Dick, there are two things going on... some people have what I consider great looking dicks - which is pretty common in porn (but even then, some look weird). In real life, once in a while - you see an ivory (or ebony) shaft of glory w/ perfectly smooth skin & length/Girth ratio...and the right coloring , etc...everything. Most of the time, you don\'t see this... but if a guy has a huge penis, you ignore the problems (prominent sebaceous glands, or a raised circ scar) cuz the you\'ve been hypnotized (dicknotized) by the size. That\'s kinda what I was saying. I\'m not sure how much it would work on women though...seems like some journals show a success.

I still have a few rounds before I dicknotize anybody - and will realistically never make it that big - but it\'s interesting to see people completely ignore my raised circ scar and prominent lump bc I was so thick and the PMMA gave me that \"meaty\" texture in the first few weeks. I\'ve lost some size though... it seems... TBD.

Oh I see, yes that makes sense, I\'d imagine money is way, way less important in the gay scene.

Yep, exactly--I was talking about gay guys in NY. I sorta only hookup in my same demographic circle as it is, so looks and size become the most important sorting factors.

Week 6

Ok I don\'t know what the hell just happened - but measured (with 9/10 Erection)

Circ scar area - 0\" gain
Mid shaft - 0.25\" gain
Base - 0-0.2\" gain - hard to measure due to Nodule

Flaccid mid - 0.5\" gain

NBPEL - 6\" if straightened out (it curves a lot now....not PMMA related)

And it\'s constantly itching and feeling prickly, like little splinters - mostly underneath. This is actually starting to get on my nerves. The itching switched over to a more painful feeling too. I think I know why too - I learned from my old op report that I have incisions in my buck\'s fascia. The pain I have is right where those incisions are, possibly bc the PMMA is irritating those incisions (6 months old incisions). I was told that I was \"fully degloved\" and \"my tunica looked thickened\" - but my surgeon was not very clear w/ me because he never even SAW my tunica! He only degloved the Dartos fascia and cut through the bucks in small segments to do the plications on underside of the tunica (where I am having pain - there is no pain on the top). How could he even say \"yes, the tissue was thickened from Peyronie\'s\" - really? Well, nice x-ray vision! Anyway...

The more Erect I am, the less gain I have - so the irony of a 10/10 viagra Erection is that it stretches out the PMMA layer too much...though there\'s more of the \"natural penis\" Erection. My Girth jumps up a lot with a bad quality Erection. Catch 22.

WTF is happening?? Did 27 ccs of PMMA all leak out or just form into 2 lumps (circ scar and lower right)?
I\'m gonna redo this all w/ pics & viagra (and maybe wait another week) - but right now I am actually not even surprised. Everything else has gone wrong w/ my Dick so of course I\'d be the only person on this entire board to gain nothing from 27ccs of PMMA. That 0.5\" gain w/ 10% seemed pretty consistent - unless 1/2 the guys measured on week 2.

Right now, my results mirror edupd, who had 15cc of 10%.

New measurements - week 6

Circ scar area - 0.25\" gainMid shaft - 0.5-0.6\" gainBase - 0.3-0.4\" gain

What happened is basically my mistake.

I stopped taking viagra bc I thought my erections were consistently very girthy (for me) - AND my EQ was pretty good (and it gives me headaches & costs $35 a pill now thanks to my insurance company being a bastard). When i suddenly \"lost size\" it was just the fact I wasn\'t comparing apples to apples (i compared viagra before\'s to non-viagra after\'s). Plus, my EQ is deceiving... it can seem rock hard & i can feel totally turned on (which is when I took those above measurements) - but without viagra - it\'s still very different. My EL is the same, but my EG is not - without V. It\'s odd. Actually, it seems slightly shorter on V and more girthy! Weird. If I am going to do a fair before and after - it always has to be on viagra going forward.