TOPIC: HONZEE's CHEM PE and PMMA Log/journal/archive

Do you have before/after photos?

@Honzee I don\'t mean to make you feel attacked at all, but I am just curious because the popularity of chempe increased and many people are interested. I agree with you in that I don\'t think you have a reason to lie, and I didn\'t mean to insinuate that with my previous question. I am just intrigued by chempe in general and excited to hear about results.

Do you know the name of the cream? It must be produced by a pharmacy and have an ingredients list?

What is the mix of the vaso dilator? He has to write a prescription right?

Responding to Hoddle you said you did zero PE before seeing Dr Adams, but you also said you did experiment with painful PGE1 sessions in which you saw no gains until you met with Dr Adams.

What is it about Dr. Adams program that makes it more length focused?

Thanks.

New1inch wrote:

Honzee wrote:

New1inch wrote: @Honzee did you do jelq or stretching exercises during the time period?

Sorry forgot to reply to this, no Jelqing just manual stretching throughout the day. Dr. Adam\'s supplies a cream that helps loosen your tendon and ligaments through absorption and make your tissues more elastic. I use the cream every 1-3 hours little at a time to keep the area saturated. Every time I put on the cream I manual stretch, out, down, sides for 5 minutes or so. (4-7 times a day) Dr. Adams recommends more frequent stretching in appose to long single stretching sessions.

Can you tell me the name of the cream thats being used? also does it effect the Erect state?

Its a pretty simple cream it\'s called Verapamil which is used for Peyronies disease typically I believe but also has DMSO in it all mixed into a highly absorbable solution. It\'s called Verapamil on the label but contains DMSO (20% and 10% respectively).

In the Erect state it just allows for the tissues and connecting fibers to be more elastic and stretch more without causing excessive strain. From what I have read on the Chem PE forums and what guys are doing under their own experimentation not under the monitor of a doctor, is using 100% PGE at higher doeses and more frequently then they should with or without their own cream mix. Guys have been using DMSO at 75% concentration with PABA to try and achieve the same effect but I am not sure how successful this has been for them. DMSO is strong and can cause severe skin irritation and burning if you have man-scaped the day you apply it to your unit. From my understanding of this treatment less is more. From other guys who have been experimenting they may see .5\"-1\" gains fairly quickly but then gains come to a screeching hault and they wonder why... too much stretching without proper downtime will cause fibrosis and make it extremely hard or impossible to continue gaining.

I am no doctor but am passing along what I have learned from Dr. Adams. From his experience men with European backgrounds tend to gain the most from his treatment some gaining .25\" a month. Men with Asian decent seem to be the slowest to grow and African Americans somewhere in between. However, everyone is different and this is a general observation. I am of European decent and am seeing average gains.

Honz.

adc555 wrote: Do you have before/after photos?

I just did stats when I first started out unfortunately and kick myself for not taking a pic but I will post a current pic soon and subsequent ones after my PMMA of course.

thedude wrote: @Honzee I don\'t mean to make you feel attacked at all, but I am just curious because the popularity of chempe increased and many people are interested. I agree with you in that I don\'t think you have a reason to lie, and I didn\'t mean to insinuate that with my previous question. I am just intrigued by chempe in general and excited to hear about results.

Do you know the name of the cream? It must be produced by a pharmacy and have an ingredients list?

What is the mix of the vaso dilator? He has to write a prescription right?

Responding to Hoddle you said you did zero PE before seeing Dr Adams, but you also said you did experiment with painful PGE1 sessions in which you saw no gains until you met with Dr Adams.

What is it about Dr. Adams program that makes it more length focused?

Thanks.

No worries man I know where you are coming from as I know there\'s allot of BS being posted to try and skew peoples opinions on things. I do not work or am affiliated with Dr. Adams in any way. I am merely a patient. I have gained good amounts but nothing to take over the world so to speak lol.

You can get the cream online but not as it comes for me. It is made by a lab for Dr. Adams with the proper amounts etc. You can search each component and make something similar yourself if you wish. See my previous post to see the details I am one of the lucky ones that live within a 10-15 min drive to his office so instead of guessing on dosages, frequency etc. on my own like most guys you read about I opted to spend the money and seek his help.

Sorry I should have clarified, I did zero Hanging, stretching, pumping before seeing doctor Adams. I did try doing what most guys on the forums are doing with PGE1 on its own for a couple months, no stretching and no creams. Just painful long erections that didn\'t do much in two months.

The treatment is more length focused as it stretches your tissues out the way they are designed mainly length wise. I don\'t know how much more in Girth I will gain but I will certainly keep track and let everyone know. You do gain Girth don\'t get me wrong but on top of the engorgement\'s, you are manually stretching your unit for length not Girth. You will see greater overall gains in length then in Girth.

@Honzee Thanks for passing the info along. This is really exciting.

Could you name the vaso dilator mix he is using. He must give you a prescription for it.

Secondly, just to clarify. Could you summarize the routine. For instance, the instructions Dr Adams gave you seem to be scattered in this thread. For reference for all those that may see this thread, could you explain the directions in the same manner Adams explained them to you? A conclusive summery would be useful as someone could find it without having to piece together directions.
Thanks again.

Honzee wrote:

thedude wrote: @Honzee I don\'t mean to make you feel attacked at all, but I am just curious because the popularity of chempe increased and many people are interested. I agree with you in that I don\'t think you have a reason to lie, and I didn\'t mean to insinuate that with my previous question. I am just intrigued by chempe in general and excited to hear about results.

Do you know the name of the cream? It must be produced by a pharmacy and have an ingredients list?

What is the mix of the vaso dilator? He has to write a prescription right?

Responding to Hoddle you said you did zero PE before seeing Dr Adams, but you also said you did experiment with painful PGE1 sessions in which you saw no gains until you met with Dr Adams.

What is it about Dr. Adams program that makes it more length focused?

Thanks.

No worries man I know where you are coming from as I know there\'s allot of BS being posted to try and skew peoples opinions on things. I do not work or am affiliated with Dr. Adams in any way. I am merely a patient. I have gained good amounts but nothing to take over the world so to speak lol.

You can get the cream online but not as it comes for me. It is made by a lab for Dr. Adams with the proper amounts etc. You can search each component and make something similar yourself if you wish. See my previous post to see the details I am one of the lucky ones that live within a 10-15 min drive to his office so instead of guessing on dosages, frequency etc. on my own like most guys you read about I opted to spend the money and seek his help.

Sorry I should have clarified, I did zero Hanging, stretching, pumping before seeing doctor Adams. I did try doing what most guys on the forums are doing with PGE1 on its own for a couple months, no stretching and no creams. Just painful long erections that didn\'t do much in two months.

The treatment is more length focused as it stretches your tissues out the way they are designed mainly length wise. I don\'t know how much more in Girth I will gain but I will certainly keep track and let everyone know. You do gain Girth don\'t get me wrong but on top of the engorgement\'s, you are manually stretching your unit for length not Girth. You will see greater overall gains in length then in Girth.

No problem with the pics.

I have read a lot about chemPE, even the blog of this guy, Ronielle, about it. Coincidentaly, his site is off line, and I could not find it anymore.

What troubles me is that with excepction of him, and another two or three reports, none I have found gave results, and of those who did show some promisse, only two had \"proof\" to back it up.

Been this forum more friendly and open minded than PEgym or thunders, I do believe that you can share your info and that it would be greatly apreciated.

Now, is it possible for you to share details that you possess of his treatment (in my case, for instance, as I live in Brazil, is quite impossible right now to take my ass up there and do a consultation, but I do have access to labs that can manufacture specific formulas, and also Urologist friends and other docs that can guide me, so if I could have info backed up from someone that ACTUALY gained with it, it would be INCREDIBLE). If not here, can we talk on private about this treatment - I dont know about your willingess to disclosure the info you have in hands)

Anyway, I just want to say that right now I am truly happy and hopeful, as I am more inclined to ChemPE than PMMA, and was waiting for an oportunity like that to show up.

So if you can, please lend us your knowledgment

thedude wrote: @Honzee Thanks for passing the info along. This is really exciting.

Could you name the vaso dilator mix he is using. He must give you a prescription for it.

Secondly, just to clarify. Could you summarize the routine. For instance, the instructions Dr Adams gave you seem to be scattered in this thread. For reference for all those that may see this thread, could you explain the directions in the same manner Adams explained them to you? A conclusive summery would be useful as someone could find it without having to piece together directions.
Thanks again.

I wish I knew what else was in there but I know there is 3-4 components and one being PGE1. The in house nurse mixes it up and you get it unlabeled I will try and get a list but it\'ll be pretty hard without coming across suspicious...

I don\'t recommend guys trying to do this without the supervision of a doctor.

Routine:

1 on 1 off 1 on 2 off injections
Vaso-dilator mix start out low ie. 5mcg and see how long you have an erection for then increase as you build tolerance.
2-3 hour max erections
Inject into your CC closer to the base. DO NOT INJECT THROUGH YOUR TENDON OR AERTERIES
If you are looking straight down at your unit your main tendon runs length wise down the top center of your unit. You want to stay clear of this area and be to the right or left of the tendon and away from veins and arteries. Insert the needled .5\" - 1\" depending on your size, draw the plunger back slightly till you draw blood (ensures you have hit the CC) then inject. Put pressure with your finger for 10+ second to start blood clotting then message the area. Then watch your cock grow. I alternate left side to right side because of the IGF DES to ensure equal growth.

Cream 4-6 times a day ie. 1-3 hours (20% Verapamil 10% DMSO in an absorbable medium).
Manual stretching 4+ times a day minimum of 5 min per session.

I supplement (all into one injection with the Vaso mix):
300mcg of Peg MGF
150-200mcg IGF DES
150-200mcg TB4 (but don\'t think it dose much)

Stop hanging, pumping and jelqing. Just stick to manual stretching for small sessions several times a day. You should not feel pain. If you hurt you are doing too much.

This is what he advises other than the peptides as you need a prescription and just cause for a doctor to prescribe them to you.

adc555 wrote:

Honzee wrote:

thedude wrote: @Honzee I don\'t mean to make you feel attacked at all, but I am just curious because the popularity of chempe increased and many people are interested. I agree with you in that I don\'t think you have a reason to lie, and I didn\'t mean to insinuate that with my previous question. I am just intrigued by chempe in general and excited to hear about results.

Do you know the name of the cream? It must be produced by a pharmacy and have an ingredients list?

What is the mix of the vaso dilator? He has to write a prescription right?

Responding to Hoddle you said you did zero PE before seeing Dr Adams, but you also said you did experiment with painful PGE1 sessions in which you saw no gains until you met with Dr Adams.

What is it about Dr. Adams program that makes it more length focused?

Thanks.

No worries man I know where you are coming from as I know there\'s allot of BS being posted to try and skew peoples opinions on things. I do not work or am affiliated with Dr. Adams in any way. I am merely a patient. I have gained good amounts but nothing to take over the world so to speak lol.

You can get the cream online but not as it comes for me. It is made by a lab for Dr. Adams with the proper amounts etc. You can search each component and make something similar yourself if you wish. See my previous post to see the details I am one of the lucky ones that live within a 10-15 min drive to his office so instead of guessing on dosages, frequency etc. on my own like most guys you read about I opted to spend the money and seek his help.

Sorry I should have clarified, I did zero Hanging, stretching, pumping before seeing doctor Adams. I did try doing what most guys on the forums are doing with PGE1 on its own for a couple months, no stretching and no creams. Just painful long erections that didn\'t do much in two months.

The treatment is more length focused as it stretches your tissues out the way they are designed mainly length wise. I don\'t know how much more in Girth I will gain but I will certainly keep track and let everyone know. You do gain Girth don\'t get me wrong but on top of the engorgement\'s, you are manually stretching your unit for length not Girth. You will see greater overall gains in length then in Girth.

No problem with the pics.

I have read a lot about chemPE, even the blog of this guy, Ronielle, about it. Coincidentaly, his site is off line, and I could not find it anymore.

What troubles me is that with excepction of him, and another two or three reports, none I have found gave results, and of those who did show some promisse, only two had \"proof\" to back it up.

Been this forum more friendly and open minded than PEgym or thunders, I do believe that you can share your info and that it would be greatly apreciated.

Now, is it possible for you to share details that you possess of his treatment (in my case, for instance, as I live in Brazil, is quite impossible right now to take my ass up there and do a consultation, but I do have access to labs that can manufacture specific formulas, and also Urologist friends and other docs that can guide me, so if I could have info backed up from someone that ACTUALY gained with it, it would be INCREDIBLE). If not here, can we talk on private about this treatment - I dont know about your willingess to disclosure the info you have in hands)

Anyway, I just want to say that right now I am truly happy and hopeful, as I am more inclined to ChemPE than PMMA, and was waiting for an oportunity like that to show up.

So if you can, please lend us your knowledgment

See the above post. Those forums aren\'t run as well as this one from what I have seen. Too many guys bantering about irrelevant things, threads get so side tracked.

I can assure you 99.9% of the guys doing Chem PE we read about are doing their own testing based on what they have read online and not by a Dr. or Dr. Adams\'s. He only operates out of Toronto and has a small clinic for men\'s therapeutics.

Alright boys decided I guess I\'d put up some current pics. Right now I\'m 7.75\" BPEL and 5.75\" MSEG Flaccid is roughly 5-5.5\" FL x 4.5\" FG. Sorry for the quality of the third pic I will get some better angle shots.

Personally I don\'t think you can do anything to \"enhance\" that penis. It\'s a great size and is aesthetic. You don\'t know how lucky you are. I\'d never risk having PMMA if I had a penis like that. I think your Girth and length would please more women than a bigger penis in either dimension would.

Yessir, I\'ve seen a fair amount of dicks, and thats a winner. Very nice proportions, size and aesthetic.

A lot of straight guys on this forum seem to think to have good sex you need to wreck the pussy or have them super sore afterwards, and I think that\'s dumb. Women can enjoy sex even without organisming every time, and I guarantee you if you start making her sore after every lay you\'re gonna get laid a lot less often, ie you don\'t need to have porn sex just to have good sex. So maybe you should double check your goal size.

But also, I have 30% and don\'t have anything against the consistency even after 2 rounds of it. I don\'t think the feel feels artificial at all, and apparently neither have the dudes and girls who\'ve touched it. It\'ll feel weird if you have any edges or bumps, but thats PMMA in general. Maybe some people have harder PMMA than I do. I dunno. It definitely softens months after the procedure.

I\'d just ride the Chem PE thing for a bit longer, especially as its working for you, you seem to got it down and its cheap. I doubt you can keep gaining at a constant rate forever, so maybe go down it starts to wind down and maybe even Girth gains will take over? Who knows. I\'m just saying I\'d avoid putting foreign substances in your Dick permanently if you\'re still getting gain from the temp use of chemicals.

hoddle10 wrote: Personally I don\'t think you can do anything to \"enhance\" that penis. It\'s a great size and is aesthetic. You don\'t know how lucky you are. I\'d never risk having PMMA if I had a penis like that. I think your girth and length would please more women than a bigger penis in either dimension would.

Thanks for the kind words brother I appreciate it. I know I am lucky and am not trying to be selfish or am one of those guys who wants a porn cock to be \'more of a man\'. I\'ve never had issues pleasing my partners in the past even before my gains. However, I am having issues with my fiancee even though she wont admit it. I\'m afraid to ask how big, but I know the person she was with before me was larger than me and I can certainly notice it... There\'s nothing more emasculating thinking you are doing all the right things in bed then find your partner masturbating to gangbang/ dp and monster cock porn every night behind your back when I am at work. I remember reading a post from another member explaining how he felt when he was having sex with his wife and he was working his out to have her lay their and start a casual conversation as if nothing was going on... I have had similar situations in the past and since gaining my extra size it has gotten better but not to the degree I feel I fulfill her desires/ needs in that department.

jlmb wrote: Yessir, I\'ve seen a fair amount of dicks, and thats a winner. Very nice proportions, size and aesthetic.

A lot of straight guys on this forum seem to think to have good sex you need to wreck the pussy or have them super sore afterwards, and I think that\'s dumb. Women can enjoy sex even without organisming every time, and I guarantee you if you start making her sore after every lay you\'re gonna get laid a lot less often, ie you don\'t need to have porn sex just to have good sex. So maybe you should double check your goal size.

But also, I have 30% and don\'t have anything against the consistency even after 2 rounds of it. I don\'t think the feel feels artificial at all, and apparently neither have the dudes and girls who\'ve touched it. It\'ll feel weird if you have any edges or bumps, but thats PMMA in general. Maybe some people have harder PMMA than I do. I dunno. It definitely softens months after the procedure.

I\'d just ride the Chem PE thing for a bit longer, especially as its working for you, you seem to got it down and its cheap. I doubt you can keep gaining at a constant rate forever, so maybe go down it starts to wind down and maybe even Girth gains will take over? Who knows. I\'m just saying I\'d avoid putting foreign substances in your Dick permanently if you\'re still getting gain from the temp use of chemicals.

Thanks for the kind words also JLMB. I hear you bro and trust me I know. See my response to hoddle it\'s in line to respond to your first paragraph. My girl can def take more and likes more, how much we\'ll see..

That\'s good to hear about the 30%. Im not out to become a monster but want to fill my girl. I know I have nothing to complain about but it\'s all relative and in my case my current size could improve for my goals and reasons.

I have spoken to Wade about the Chem PE and PMMA and he says there would be no issues and I agree with him as for Chem PE you inject into the CC not in the cavity where the PMMA would be. Regardless though I am pretty close to my length goals and have 3 months to my proceedure so hopefully by then ill have reached that 8\" mark or close enough and I will stop the Chem PE. I\'ve bought an extender to try and speed up my stretching for the next few months so we\'ll see how that helps. You are right though, there is only so much one can gain and I feel I must be close to plateauing. My Girth gains seem to have stopped or slowed for sure. Time will tell though.

Are you happy with your procedures? Would you have done anything differently or stopped after 2 rounds or are you happy with your overall gains?

Cheers.
Honz

Honzee,
wow very interesting stuff matey, keep us posted