TOPIC: HONZEE's CHEM PE and PMMA Log/journal/archive

Whats up boys,

Been lurking in the shadows for a few months now. I\'ll start off by saying thank you to all the guys/ moderators and contributors of the site. It is a great network of great guys and one of the best forums I have been on in terms of topic focus and quality of information in any regard. To give you a history on myself, I am in my late 20\'s from Canada and began my PE journey roughly a year ago. I have been on Dr. Adams\'s Chem PE protocol for about 10 months now. For those of you who aren\'t familiar with Chem PE, it involves chemically induced erections for hours at a time and ligament relaxers essentially to stretch/ unlink your tendon, CC mesh and other connective tissue. It is a process but is going well for me.

My starting stats:

Jan 2012:
BPEL - 6.5\"
MSEG - 5\"

My current stats are:
Sept 2013
BPEL - 7.5\"
MSEG - 5.5\"

GOAL:
BPEL - 8-8.5\"
MSEG - 6.5 - 7\"

When I started out the first couple months were more trials getting use to the doses and injecting chem into your CC. I know this may sounds frightening to some as I know many won\'t attempt this approach because of that reason alone but you get the hang of it and overcome any fear pretty fast. Injections are painless now for me and I seem to gain about an 1/8\" in length every month now and pretty close to that in Girth but it has seemed to have slowed in the Girth advancement right now.

I am happy with my size personally but as any guy wants more. Mainly due to my Fiancee as we have good sex but I know she can/ wants more. She will never admit it of course nor tell me I am not big enough... but we all know women don\'t always speak openly about what they are really thinking. And trust me I know she does. She doesn\'t know about my CHEM PE protocol but as I have been getting bigger the sex has been getting better and better... but not enough for her to fully climax on intercourse alone.

I am planning on two rounds of PMMA treatment with Dr. C. My first is booked for Feb 2014 and am reading everything under the sun to best prepare myself for my first session. Wade has been assuring me they have been having great success with 30% concentration accompanied with a lower 10% concentration. I have read the thread on the concerns of this and feedback from guys who have had issues. I would welcome advice, discussion on what may be the best course of action as the wife also doesn\'t know about this appointment and don\'t want to come back with a lumpy Cock.

My thoughts are to either do my first full session with (30% and 10%) or (20% and 10%) then followed up with a touch up or full session of 10% alone 4-6 months after. I am a Grower but do not turtle. I sit flacid at the moment at roughly 5\" FL x 4.5\" FG. I would also opt for th best PMMA they offer which I believe is LineaSafe but not sure if they offer Artefill.

If I can get away with one full session and no complications would be ideal but of course this is not a flawless procedure and there are risks and concerns...

What do you guys think?

PS. thanks for your help Miracle

Welcome to the site. Plan on having at least 2 rounds. 30% followed by 10% seems to be the way to go. If you don\'t want a lumpy Dick I can\'t stress enough the importance of aftercare. Keep it as hard as possible for as long as possible afterwards continually massaging for at least 3 days. A week is better. Don\'t drink or smoke either. Avoid the issues I\'ve had and others on the site to get your desires met in 2 rounds, possibly one if you\'re lucky.

Not sure if you\'ll be able to chem PE after PMMA. Feel like it may not be a good thing to be injected chemicals around the PMMA. Contact Wade about this.

Intrigued by this Chem PE. Could you tell us more about your chem PE routine. How often you do it; where exactly do you inject; you injected into the tissue or just under the skin; you Clamping while you\'re hard n Hanging other times?

There seems to be a lot of controversy about Dr. Adams on the web. He was doing this for awhile then stopped. Now seems to be back at it again. How much is he charging you btw

MustGetBigger wrote: Welcome to the site. Plan on having at least 2 rounds. 30% followed by 10% seems to be the way to go. If you don\'t want a lumpy dick I can\'t stress enough the importance of aftercare. Keep it as hard as possible for as long as possible afterwards continually massaging for at least 3 days. A week is better. Don\'t drink or smoke either. Avoid the issues I\'ve had and others on the site to get your desires met in 2 rounds, possibly one if you\'re lucky. Not sure if you\'ll be able to chem PE after PMMA. Feel like it may not be a good thing to be injected chemicals around the PMMA. Contact Wade about this. Intrigued by this Chem PE. Could you tell us more about your chem PE routine. How often you do it; where exactly do you inject; you injected into the tissue or just under the skin; you clamping while you\'re hard n hanging other times?

Thanks for the welcome brother. Thanks for the feedback. I have been thinking more and more why guys get irregularities and understanding the procedure I am sure allot has to do with the aftercare... By messaging how so? like a light jelq? or actual messaging?

For the aftercare time, do you recommend just camping out in bed and taking care of your unit for the first 3 days-week? by then the PMMA has settled? What about wrapping, stretching and taking ED meds to keep things inline? I haven\'t been debriefed yet by Wade regarding this but would like to have all of these lose ends resolved well before I fly down.


As far as CHEM PE goes:

Dr. Adams from Toronto holds the patent on this type of treatment/ protocal. There is detailed info at:

www.freepatentsonline.com/7671091.html

This was his original patent, tests/ study and has changed and fine tuned slightly since this was released. He currently isn\'t officially allowed to advertise for it as he has to do full medical study which costs millions apparently. He does other treatments as well and this is not his bread and butter hence he hasn\'t done much with it further. There are many skeptics about this protocol but let me tell you first hand it works. There is a ton of info on these forums and blogs:

chemicalpenisenlargement.blogspot.ca/

www.pegym.com/forums/chemical-pe/

I have to jet wife is home ill post my protocol and the differences from the patent to now soon.

Cheers.
Honz

Why risk PMMA when you can continue doing what you are with Dr Adams?

In my opinion forget PMMA and keep going as you are. Even if you don\'t gain anymore I think you are too big to risk getting PMMA.

I didn\'t know people were still going to Dr Adams. I remember about 5 years ago it was all the craze on PE forums, but it\'s popularity died out as not many saw any results.

Did you do any PE before seeing Dr Adams?

@Honzee did you do jelq or stretching exercises during the time period? I agree with MM i dont think you shold continue the Chemical PE after getting PMMA because it may not be a good combination.

There have been a lot of claims of anecdotal success but I have never seen any valid evidence that the protocol works other than whats on Ronielles site. I did some chempe myself and would greatly appreciate knowing.

-the routine?

-your Erection% and average hours Erect per day + days per week?

-the medications?

-and what were Dr. Adams modifications?

If you have any photo evidence that would be awesome as I am some what skeptical because I did not see results. From what I understand it is much easier to gain Girth than length, yet you managed 1 Inch in length vs .75inch in Girth. I would have guessed you would have ended up 6.5x6.5 maybe 7.0 by 6.5...Sorry I seem skeptical but the idea that someone actually had success with it is pretty amazing to me as I had none.

I endorse @thedude words, Always reading about chempe, but never got something with enough consistence to believe in it...

Please, share your info, it\'s something I really would like to know

hoddle10 wrote: Why risk PMMA when you can continue doing what you are with Dr Adams?

In my opinion forget PMMA and keep going as you are. Even if you don\'t gain anymore I think you are too big to risk getting PMMA.

I didn\'t know people were still going to Dr Adams. I remember about 5 years ago it was all the craze on PE forums, but it\'s popularity died out as not many saw any results.

Did you do any PE before seeing Dr Adams?

Hey guys sorry for the delay, cant get on here all the time depending on if the wife is around.

I did zero PE before starting with Dr. Adams. In his defense I think allot of any negative feedback is a result of his personality/ social differences. He is honestly a geneous but lacks some of the social ss an everyday doctor possesses and because of that people tend to form their own judgements. I know most guys who had issues already had done vigerous PE work on their unit like ecessive pumping, strething, Hanging etc. Too much too fast is bad as you plateau faster and don\'t maximise your gains. Obviously everyone is different but from my research and feedback from Dr. Adams is that through whatever method you are doing if you feel pain that is not good. Your body releases certain chemicals that essentially will cause Atrophy or hardness in the affected tissues.

From my experimentation and practice less is more. 1 on 1 off 1 on 2 off is my routine and only 2-3 hour engorgements. Dr. Adams is using different blends of things compared when he started off. Erections are painless for me even after 3 hours. He found when he fisrt started out guys would see results fast but quickly plateau after .5-1\" by doing excess treatment. (4-5 days / week of 3-5 hour erections)

I also include IGF-DES, and PEG-MGF peptides into my injections for increased cell proliferation. Dr. Adams doesn\'t supply me with these though.

hoddle10 wrote: Why risk PMMA when you can continue doing what you are with Dr Adams?

I\'m almost at my desired length but would like more Girth, and my wifey would enjoy it too I know. She will not say it ever obviously but I know she likes big dicks, she takes mine with no discomfort Balls deep and all. Chem PE doesn\'t help much with your Flaccid size as well and I just feel a round of PMMA with a touch up session afterwards would get me where I need/ want to be all around.

New1inch wrote: @Honzee did you do jelq or stretching exercises during the time period? I agree with MM i dont think you shold continue the Chemical PE after getting PMMA because it may not be a good combination.

I most likely won\'t. I\'ve spoke to Wade about it he says there should be no reason to think there would be an affect on it but to give the PMMA a month or two at least to settle and form propoerly. Which I agree and would not risk it.

If I continue to grow as much as I am currently (1/8\" a month in length) I will be 8\" BPEL by my appointment date. Which I will be happy with. Thats more than ample length.

New1inch wrote: @Honzee did you do jelq or stretching exercises during the time period?

Sorry forgot to reply to this, no Jelqing just manual stretching throughout the day. Dr. Adam\'s supplies a cream that helps loosen your tendon and ligaments through absorption and make your tissues more elastic. I use the cream every 1-3 hours little at a time to keep the area saturated. Every time I put on the cream I manual stretch, out, down, sides for 5 minutes or so. (4-7 times a day) Dr. Adams recommends more frequent stretching in appose to long single stretching sessions.

thedude wrote: There have been a lot of claims of anecdotal success but I have never seen any valid evidence that the protocol works other than whats on Ronielles site. I did some chempe myself and would greatly appreciate knowing.

-the routine?

-your Erection% and average hours Erect per day + days per week?

-the medications?

-and what were Dr. Adams modifications?

If you have any photo evidence that would be awesome as I am some what skeptical because I did not see results. From what I understand it is much easier to gain Girth than length, yet you managed 1 Inch in length vs .75inch in Girth. I would have guessed you would have ended up 6.5x6.5 maybe 7.0 by 6.5...Sorry I seem skeptical but the idea that someone actually had success with it is pretty amazing to me as I had none.

Have you been treated by Dr. Adams or done your own PGE administration? I understand guys being skeptical to anything new and I was when I first started out. There\'s no reason for me exagerate or lie. I am simply sharing my experience with the board. I posted regarding my PMMA treatment coming up not my treatment with Dr. Adams. I am more than happy to share my experiences and progress with you guys. People asked so I am replying.

Dr. Adams uses more than just PGE which most guys just use on their own... Ive tried PGE sessions on their own and they are painful erections and did nothing for me as well. I only started seeing gain after seeing Dr. Adams. His treatment i more length focused than Girth. I attribute my Girth gains by adding the IGF and PEG into my protocol.

My routine:

1 on 1 off 1 on 2 off
2-3 hour max erections
Vaso-dilator mix 20mcg current (started out at 5-8mcg)
300mcg of Peg MGF
150-200mcg IGF DES
150-200mcg TB4 (but don\'t think it dose anything)

Cream 4-6 times a day
Manual stetching 4+ times a day minimum of 5 min.

Anyways if guys want to know more about my routine I am open to share.

I contacted Wade regarding Metacril and Linneasafe. Has there been allot of guys who have opted for the Linneasafe? Anyone notice if there are less complications/ issues when using this in lieu of Metacril?

I also shared my concern regarding 30% concentration and increased chance of problems to Wade, his response was:

\"You can have as many issues with 10% as you can with 30%, however, if you have irregularities with 10% they will be less noticeable.\"

Do you guys agree?
Cheers.
Honz

Honzee wrote:

New1inch wrote: @Honzee did you do jelq or stretching exercises during the time period?

Sorry forgot to reply to this, no Jelqing just manual stretching throughout the day. Dr. Adam\'s supplies a cream that helps loosen your tendon and ligaments through absorption and make your tissues more elastic. I use the cream every 1-3 hours little at a time to keep the area saturated. Every time I put on the cream I manual stretch, out, down, sides for 5 minutes or so. (4-7 times a day) Dr. Adams recommends more frequent stretching in appose to long single stretching sessions.

Can you tell me the name of the cream thats being used? also does it effect the Erect state?