TOPIC: BBC IPLAYER: The penis extension clinic

This is fearful! Apart from hoddle there\'s one other person who posted having done a procedure with them (the doctor). I wish there were more posts about PE in the UK.

@alesk you are viewing things in the way Dr\'s have for years and in my opinion it\'s a flawed way of thinking. Take this thread for example, the main thing that comes out of it is that PE is really a mental issue. So whilst the medical community take the approach of promoting safety based on the physical properties of the material used for enhancement, you have to consider if this is also true in terms of the best approach of helping guys psychologically. For example, fat is \"safe\"\' as it isn\'t a foreign body and therefore doesn\'t carry the risk of non biological fillers such as PMMA or Silicone. But of those 3 materials which is the most likely to leave a patient with long term severe depression? From my experience, having followed hundreds of guys progress over 15 years, I\'d say fat by a long way. So which product is really safer?

[can i ask you how long you have been performing HA?]

Surgeons have 2 years experience.

Caverject (Erect) is a good idea, borrowed from Dr O.

It is interesting to see that men can self-inject Caverject into their penis at home without supervision - with a needle the same size as Juvederm supplied 27G.

Needle is preferred over the cannula, when there is a good reason to change we will.

In communication with Dr O. outside the forum. The goal is the same, to advance the procedure and promote it as a replacement for more invasive surgery.

the Androfill website sells lig cuts right off the bat. - We offer it, then dissuade anyone from taking it. No one has taken any surgical option. This is the most effective way of reaching prospective surgery patients.

the Androfill website sells lig cuts right off the bat.

anyway, nice to see you back Androfill. can i ask you how long you have been performing HA? i have heard that you have said it\'s a long time but on the other hand and very suddenly you have about-turned your entire procedure in line with current PhalloBoards thinking. why have you suddenly changed to Erect/cannulla for HA in the penis when you have been doing it succesfully via flacid/needle for ages? can i suggest that you are in fact new to this and haven\'t been doing it for ages but were kind of winging it to start with and have now decided best practice is in fact Erect/cannullae And that you read this on PhalloBoards via hoddle10 and dr. Oates? and that since you are new to this you havent done many needle/Flaccid procedures anyway so it\'s not really a big about-turn.

i think it\'s great that you have changed your procedure completely to suit best practice but on the other hand why say that you have been doing HA for ages when it\'s in fact only recently that you have been doing it? if you have been doing it for ages why is it only recently that someone allowed you to film their procedure for the website?

i\'ll get down off my high horse now. woah there, neddy!

The clinic promoting surgery on BBC in the UK is Moorgate, not Androfill.

Doctors performing the Androfill HA procedure (including the Penoplasty surgeon who appears frequently on the BBC), are free to provide surgery to other clinics if they wish to.

No patient has been sold surgery by Androfill to date. The Androfill site aims to dissuade people from taking unnecessary surgery, steering them towards safer and more effective non-surgical options.

smalljay wrote: Dexter, if you haven\'t heard of this long term inflammatory response effect, you need to search the boards for \'FBG\' or Foreign Body Granuloma - it is a known (albeit somewhat rare) occurence with PMMA.

That is the one counter argument to the last two sentences of hoddle\'s post - we haven\'t seen the long term effects of PMMA in the penis yet. A lot of guys might get bad reactions, but also they might not. From the research so far, it appears that a small percentage (low single digits) might - but if Dr. C\'s theory that injecting it below the outer fascia results in less/no FBG\'s is true, then that\'s a good thing.

We do at least know that fat in the penis long term is a bad idea, ineffective at best, dangerous at worst. imo, PMMA is also not that great, and something better will come along (maybe it\'s already here, in HA). But that\'s just my spoiled 2011+ view of things - for people like the old vets here, PMMA was kind of a godsend - never has there been something like it which could give you permanent gains with so few short term drawbacks (assuming things go well during aftercare).

I took a read of the FBG issue, I focussed more on the literature from sites like pub med and so forth.

Interesting for sure but risk wise, we\'re talking less than 1 in 1000 and of those 1, these seem to be linked to people with existing conditions such as HIV, chronic renal fatigue or similar.

What\'s also interesting is, in a number of the cases, there\'s no guarantee that it was even PMMA injected.

I think , it\'s an issue to certainly aware of but I suspect on the list of things to worry about, of which there are many , it\'s way lower than other concerns.

Reklaw wrote: Okay fair enough, i didn\'t mean to witter on at you I just feel passionately about how shit this technique is.

We\'re on COMPLETELY the same page Reklaw, I think it\'s a shitty , pointless procedure.

I just focussed on the one big issue for me , that is, even if everything else goes fine (big IF), you\'re still faced with nothing but a very expensive , very temporary solution.

I really feel hugely sorry for these folks and after this dam program, I bet he has a waiting list full.

Well yeah but you get my point

Reklaw wrote: \"It really made me wonder what the people on this board are like! It\'s odd seeing how out of whack some guys priorities are\" Are you referring to the fact that they were already a good size and that all they cared about was being \"huge\" or having a \"monster\" Cos if so I agree, if i had an average Girth I would never of persued Phalloplasty. Or were you referring to the fact that there partner already seemed happy with their Girth? because if I had a partner who was happy with my penis I wouldn\'t touch it. Also it absolutely blows my mind that in 1st world countries like ours their still offering such backwards techniques, by now all these doctors should have switched to PMMA or HA. Their fucking useless, it\'s unreal that a bunch enthusiasts like us know more about what works than all these urologists who have PhD\'s.

I suspect the medical doctors don\'t have PhD\'s, they have a MD (or version thereof). PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy - which Educators typically have.

I think smalljay is in the of things. PMMA was a godsend at the time and now maybe, something better (HA) has turned up. From what I\'ve read so far, even without considering the long-term risks, it was not a godsend. Androfill\'s (hypocritical) website and others in the medical field are beginning to attest to this. The attention seems to be moving towards perfecting the skills of HA. Those using the older methods are those reluctant to give up what they believe that they have become experts in and for the still ignorant clientele. This is clear, as Reklaw pointed out, that Androfill could have such a website recommending what it has but carrying out the procedures brought out at the start of this thread.

Okay fair enough, i didn\'t mean to witter on at you I just feel passionately about how shit this technique is.

Reklaw, read the comment I replied for context on the \"it works\" statement.

@Dexerphall
\"Nobody is saying fat transfers don\'t work\"
Actually I think that is what everyone is saying.
it depends what your definition of a successful procedure is...
If it\'s something that makes your penis temporarily thicker despite an almost garanteed uneven appearance, a garanteed squashy unatural feel, huge lumps that might persist years even decades, and the fat moving about inside your shaft which is almost certainly going to be noticed by anyone that touches it and not to mention you\'ll have to have one of the most invasive surgeries imaginable to get it out once you\'ve decided you don\'t like it, with these Removal ops you often end up losing length, getting tissue Necrosis, the skin is left stuck to the shaft and no longer functions properly and a whole host of other problems.
But I mean if this is what you mean by something that \"works\" then fair enough
Your making out as if the only downside is that it\'s temporary, the fact that it\'s temporary is the least of your worries.

Alex

One major difference.

Fat transfers are very temporary.

In a year or so a huge proportion of that fat will have absorbed meaning they achieved nothing.

PMMA is essentially permanent.

Nobody is saying fat transfers don\'t work. It\'s that these guys are suxkered into thinking this is the answer to their problems and in 12 months they are going to devastated beyond even their original condition.

Can you reference which doctors said PMMA is causing a lifelong inflammatory response I the body, I would like to follow that up.

Well said Hoddle you hit the nail on the head.