TOPIC: Dr. Loria

Check out the website dangerous dongs. I think that big guy looks like one of the dudes on there. With the downward curve.

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Sil...06?highlight=silikon

This was a thread previously discussing Silikon 1000, check it out.

Here are reviews (non penile) of the two fillers Dr Loria uses:

www.realself.com/Artefill/reviews

www.realself.com/Silikon-1000/reviews

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Nice find thank you.

20cc (4000 micro droplets) of Silikon1000 would cost him $400. He\'d also need $400 worth of Juverderm to act as the carrier. So the cost price per session (assuming 20cc as is often the case with PMMA), cost him $800. To do the same with Artefill would cost him $16,000.

So there is you answer as to why he\'d rather create his own cocktail and not use an FDA approved product (Artefill) which is ideal for the procedure he wants to do. I\'m sure he\'d inject you with Artefill if you asked but I doubt he ever has. I think the only reason he mentions Artefill on his site is because he got the idea of using a permanent injectable from reading PhalloBoards and thus knows PMMA has some history and it helps to associate his procedure with it.

Did the doc mention to you how long he has been doing this procedure for?

Once fake pictures are used to promote a product, then for me, it is going to be problematic and most likely fake PE procedure or the new dr will be using new customers as guinea pigs...you guys decide. Like I said, at this point I still smell a rat from these \"what I would consider\" fake pix....

@hoddle- I think around $100 for 1 vial of Silikon1000.

@ttar- Our body will coat and cover these microdrops with a new collagen. In regard of silicone or also PMMA our bodies will not convert them to collagen.

Pretty interesting. I noticed this in the article:

\"The material actually converts to collagen. The body sees it and converts it to collagen. So 95 percent or more of that new material under the skin is their own body,\" said Dr. Loria.Injections of silicone or artefill carry a 10 percent risk of complications, including pain, bruising, or lumpiness in the area.

Is that an accurate way to describe it - \"converts\" to collagen? I though collagen just coated the material. Also - the 10 percent complication figure. I\'ve never seen something like cited before (though this has no source...so presumably it\'s in reference to his own patients only?)

So effectively is he using Restylane as a carrier?

Does anyone know the cost of buying Silikon 1000? Is Arfetill really a good choice for bioplasty? I think we will either find that the cost of Silikon is a lot cheaper or that the carrier for Artefill means it isn\'t suitable for penis enlargement. Otherwise why wouldn\'t he just use PMMA? He\'s clearly got the idea from PhalloBoards and has tried to adopt if for the American market. That leaves him with 3 choices, Silikon 1000, Artefill or Sculptra.

I agree with you absolutely SO, I would also like to know who and where his silicone cocktail is made (in his clinic, by himself ??)

We need to know also can you really mix these substances with silicone ?? Can these substances really divide and separate the silicone into microdrops ??


There is a precaution of mixing Silikon 1000 with other substances :-

www.alconlabs.com/media/A_Alcon_Journal/...0599_SILIKON1000.pdf

If he really has succeeded and made these microdrops of silicone by mixing silicone with diff. substances in a precise conc. in e.g. a syringe (in a sterile condition) and made the injection much easier and quicker than the micro-drops technique ---> it will be a great idea if someone can get from him e.g. 1cc of his new Silikon and let someone else examine it and prove if that was true or not ??

I would love to know if the new collagen formation around these micro-drops (e.g. after 1 year) feels rough or smooth, if they feel smoother than PMMA it will be a big plus.

But the only thing I will be worried about is if in some injected area the silicon was clustered together (no microdrop)---> migration or infection or lumps ??

The answer for these Q.s is we need somebody to try it , but who will be the 1st one ?

@BigJunk : Penile dorsum = the back-side (or the upper-side) of the penis

smartman wrote: I always love to learn more and more about new procedures and techniques in PE and esp. what these doctors trying to establish, I think Dr.Loria with his technique, he is trying to find the best way for a permanent penile girth enhancement (a filler cheaper than other permanent fillers e.g. Artefill, injected in a safe way and with an easy technique ) .

Usually what we know Silikon1000 is advised to be injected in a micro-droplets technique to avoid serious complications (and never in a large volume--->complications e.g. migration,etc.) and each drop will be covered with a new collagen later on , but with this technique you need to inject around 200 times just to have 1cc of silikon inside your body (so 2000 micro-drops = only 10cc), so he knew if he wants to inject Silikon1000 he has to form these micro-drops in the injected area (e.g. penis)--> to avoid migration, etc., so he was thinking how to inject this Silikon liquid in an easy method (but this new Silikon1000 will contain already micro-drops of silicone similar to the pmma beads) so he has to form these micro-drops and separate them from each others , so the idea came to him is to mix Silikon1000 in a precise conc. with other substances ( Artefill, juvederm, restylane and other elements)i.e. these substances will divide or separate the Silikon into thousands-millions of micro-drops . (I.e. he is trying to modify this Silikon1000 and make it similar to the pmma filler in a different way)(micro-drops=beads).

So by this technique he thinks he can avoid hundreds may be thousands of injections just to get the desire volume in a safe way.

The Q. I was thinking about if for an example Artefill was cheaper than Silikon1000 , will he use his modified Silikon still ??

penisenlargementus.com/Is-Silicone-safe.html

Thanks Smartman, according to your link, Dr. Loria\'s website states:

The precise mixture, concentrations, ratios, etc., have been developed by Dr. Loria and is proprietary information. If the mixture of Liquid Silicone is inappropriate, or not prepared adequately, complications may occur, including infection, inflammation, and complication that would occur with injecting pure Liquid Silicone.

Considering he\'s been primarily a hair restoration specialist, his venture into penis enlargement has to be rather new. I mean, I don\'t recall once ever reading about his PLATINUM method in forums/years past. The reason I point this out is that I\'m a bit confused as to why this doctor is so certain his \"concentrations, ratios, etc\" are the most effective mixture, given that there probably isn\'t any other method/mixture to compare it to. And how much data does he really have on both short term and long term effects with his Silicone cocktail?

The question regarding his experience & expertise as it pertains to bioplasty (that\'s essentially what he\'s performing) is also very important in determining how sed he is in augmenting a dynamic organ like the penis with a \"dermal\" filler. As we learned from the massive PMMA thread in the old forum, bioplasticians need to possess sful injection technique to be successful.

All of this is very important, and I hope others with info chime in. Maybe we can shoot their office an email and copy & paste the correspondences in this thread, similar to what was done early in the PMMA research days.

I always love to learn more and more about new procedures and techniques in PE and esp. what these doctors trying to establish, I think Dr.Loria with his technique, he is trying to find the best way for a permanent penile girth enhancement (a filler cheaper than other permanent fillers e.g. Artefill, injected in a safe way and with an easy technique ) .

Usually what we know Silikon1000 is advised to be injected in a micro-droplets technique to avoid serious complications (and never in a large volume--->complications e.g. migration,etc.) and each drop will be covered with a new collagen later on , but with this technique you need to inject around 200 times just to have 1cc of silikon inside your body (so 2000 micro-drops = only 10cc), so he knew if he wants to inject Silikon1000 he has to form these micro-drops in the injected area (e.g. penis)--> to avoid migration, etc., so he was thinking how to inject this Silikon liquid in an easy method (but this new Silikon1000 will contain already micro-drops of silicone similar to the pmma beads) so he has to form these micro-drops and separate them from each others , so the idea came to him is to mix Silikon1000 in a precise conc. with other substances ( Artefill, juvederm, restylane and other elements)i.e. these substances will divide or separate the Silikon into thousands-millions of micro-drops . (I.e. he is trying to modify this Silikon1000 and make it similar to the pmma filler in a different way)(micro-drops=beads).

So by this technique he thinks he can avoid hundreds may be thousands of injections just to get the desire volume in a safe way.

The Q. I was thinking about if for an example Artefill was cheaper than Silikon1000 , will he still use his modified Silikon ??

penisenlargementus.com/Is-Silicone-safe.html

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