TOPIC: HA injectable Phalloplasty - for safety

Johnson wrote: I think this thread should be about temporary fillers in general and not just Dr. Oates.

Incorrect. This thread was started by Dr. Oates and has served as a Q&A between Dr. Oates and forum members. It\'s up to Dr. Oates which direction this topic goes. There are plenty of other threads & topics pertaining to temporary fillers that can be replied to.

Hope to have everyone\'s understanding on this, thanks.

I have tried to start other temporary filler threads but there has been zero activity. But its your website so you call the shots.I apologize if I have asked questions in this thread that shouldn\'t have been asked.

Johnson wrote: I have tried to start other temporary filler threads but there has been zero activity. But its your website so you call the shots.I apologize if I have asked questions in this thread that shouldn\'t have been asked.

That happens. There are other temp filler threads out there more active & worth looking into. Don\'t give up and continuing posting where & when it\'s relevant.

That said, I ask we resume the topic matter at hand, thanks.

Johnson wrote: I think this thread should be about temporary fillers in general and not just Dr. Oates. Therefore, I would like to ask you sizematters: How does your filler feel? How firm is it compared to a normal Erection?

Johnson, overall it is firmer than a normal Erection but you can\'t tell a huge difference if there were no lumps or nodules like I have now...
Those areas definitely feels unnatural though and especially when I am having a raging Erection, the lump makes my penis look like something is wrong with it.

Dr Oates wrote:
Hi Sizematters,

This is why we dont use Radiesse in the lips with similar thin skin. There was the risk of nodules of collagen forming. I assume they are a lot smaller than the PMMA nodules I have seen. If they worry you then try steroid injection otherwise leave them as they should go eventually.

Thanks for the input Dr Oates.. It\'s the size of a mosquito bite on circ scar, the second one is on the opposite end and it\'s much smaller but the lump on the penis is significant. I tried massaging it for a few days but both the nodules and the lump on the penis is still there. I was actually thinking about having another round (since cheaper for the 2nd one) maybe after having a steroid injection and correcting the issue, but I guess that would only make the situation worse?

I also measured my penis today in Erect form, now it\'s back to 5 inches, so lost .10 since Week 3. (Pre-injection 4.80)


I only tried this route since this was the most convenient temporary option for me with a highly reputable Doctor closest to where I live in US (as far as I know). Might give HA a chance next, still not thinking about PMMA though especially after this incident.

Interesting that Radiesse is actually more firm. Voluma is very soft I would say. The advantage of that is that its more mouldable and thus you can message out lumps. But firmness of a penis is really so important, so Radiesse if injected evenly might be a better option.

Dr. Oates

I have close to 40ml over 15mth. He works in the porn industry. He believed he was mostly maintaining all volume from the first injection and getting progressively bigger. I think the relationship to the glans and lenght become the biggest factors determining how much is possible.

can we c photo\'s?

Hi Dr. Oates,

For HA injection, what is the degradation curve in your experience? Measuring after post-op swelling, does it degrade in a linear fashion or more like a sigmoidal curve? Would highly appreciate further details to compare between PMMA and HA injections.

smalljay wrote:
Sorry in advance for picking your post apart, aleksk. But it reminded me of some posts of mine from the past which I wanted to point out. The thing is, we know much more about Radiesse in the penis than we do about Ellanse (even then, we still know very little about Radiesse in the penis). The assertions you make like \"much more advanced than Radiesse\", \"much higher viscosity than Voluma, therefore it should feel firmer\", etc, reminds me of posts I used to make about a substance called Lipen D (cross linked Dextran) for the glans. I used to talk here about how much better it was than HA, because it was thicker, longer lasting, and a whole bunch of other things I believed to be true because of the propaganda on the practitioner\'s website (which ranted about how HA in the glans sucks, looks bad, doesn\'t last etc etc). I had built up all this \'knowledge\' from over a year of research, only to find out after the procedure that I didn\'t really know shit, and that in fact the higher viscosity, long lasting nature and irreversibility of Lipen D was a terrible thing, and now I have Necrosis scars on my Dick head and discoloration for life.

I just wanted to \'check\' you and others here, who, when researching these things - might assume that what you read is true - don\'t draw conclusions before you or many others actually experience it first hand. Until you get Ellanse put into your Dick, you simply won\'t know whether it\'s a good product or a bad one. The long lasting nature could be a terrible aspect, because what if you get a shit result from some unexpected factor? Now you\'re stuck with this very fringe, unknown product in your Dick for 5 years?

I\'m glad you\'ve chosen to go with HA, because that is the safest choice. It\'s by far the most researched filler. Ellanse is a fucking mystery, and everything you\'ve ever read about it could be bullshit marketing.

Just my thoughts. Guys, PE is dangerous - stick to what is well documented - don\'t be the guinea pig. Not to say that just because a ton of guys have got PMMA that you should necessarily go for it - I\'m more referencing HA here. It\'s temporary, reversible, native to the human body and extremely well documented here and in academia in general.

Wise comments Smalljay.

I just had contact with the 1 guy I have trialled Ellanse on 3 ,the ago - prior had HA with lots of swelling. He still absolutely loves it. Normal texture, no movement of product, no lumps... but still early days. Even if I had 10 guys with great results it would not mean the next guys does not get an issue that we have no instant fix for.

Yes I do have a couple of guys that I will trial Ellanse on over the next couple of months. But need to go into it with eyes wide open and lots of thought!

clueless2 wrote: Hi Dr. Oates,

For HA injection, what is the degradation curve in your experience? Measuring after post-op swelling, does it degrade in a linear fashion or more like a sigmoidal curve? Would highly appreciate further details to compare between PMMA and HA injections.

There is some swelling for the first couple of weeks. Then over the next year you should not notice much change. They have a term - Isovolumic degradation meaning that the HA breaks down but it absorbs more water (about 10,000x its own weight). We are waiting for our patients from last year when we switched to Voluma to start coming back - but they are OK so far.

Dr. Oates: If it absorbs more water does that mean it gets more squishy?

Dear Dr. Oates
i had my first ha girth enancement in may 2016 with Dr. Antonini in Rome with filler Girthmax from dr. Paul Perito
phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/dr-...o&pid=1293258853
then i went in Thiailand and after 3 month i saw reabsorbtion and venture in this Bangkok clinic guided by
Prof. Kunachak’s
www.laser-surgery-bangkok.com/?penile-enlargement,175
fortunately they use Voluma (i realized after reading your post)
but the final result was far from the pics posted by your patient you treated in Perth (page 17)
phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/ha-...50915?&trail=255
my penis came out misshapen
My question is:
do you have any connection with experienced doctors in Bangkok who follow properly you technique?
Or , are you available in Thailand sometimes?
Can my left sided misshapen cocoon be fixed with further Voluma injections and where should it be injected??

 

 

the Yoskarn refill was made in 3 sessions:
4cc along the staff ..almost ok -
6cc around the base as in pics -
6cc to fix the furrow at the lower base but it did not work and only improved the cocoon....

You were already on this board when you went and did this to yourself. Why didn\'t you research and take the advice given here? After the mess you need advice for correction?It\'s the most fucked up prick I\'ve seen so far ...

jogift wrote: You were already on this board when you went and did this to yourself. Why didn\'t you research and take the advice given here? After the mess you need advice for correction?It\'s the most fucked up prick I\'ve seen so far ...

Actually after the first 4cc Voluma session in bangkok the shape was satisfactory improved from the first session in Rome,
together with the trust in this clinic
 

then i asked for further improvement at the lower part of the staff and this second session was a failure as u can see in pics...i tried the third session to fix the second, but it did not work..

Dr. Kunachak’s in bkk stated the misshape coccoon happen when penis is not Circumcised,
but i have not a clue if this is true or not..

Dear Dr Oates , I\'ve read earlier in this topic the discussion about Macrolane prices in Europe. Since I am in Europe and I plan quite a large augmentation, I am considering this path.

The questions are:

1) When injected, does Macrolane induce further enlargement (thanks to water absorption, collagen generation etc.), or gained volume equals injected volume?

2) In larger quantities (over 60cc gained volume), can the gel move during sexual intercourse (like accumulating \"out of the way\" at the base of penis) allowing for relatively \"normal\" depth of penetration despite acquired volume?

I would be very grateful for your answers.
Thank You