TOPIC: Dr. Loria

Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website.
I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ?
Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

If you have any information that can be accurately translated from sources that have some legitimacy (or can at least have some plausibility), then it is your obligation to cite them if you wish to make the assertions highlighted in bold by Hoddle.

This forum thrives on the contribution of all posting members. So what exactly is your reason to join threads discussing Silikon 1000 or PMMA if you have nothing but baseless opinions to give? The idea is to share information, debate, and provide different perspectives. Opinions are acceptable when they are formed from an objective analysis. BigBen, you provide no objective content/sources to backup the reasoning behind your opinions. Instead, as Hoddle suggested, you inject fear into the conversation. There is no better way to cheapen the discussion then to incite fear and uncertainty as it pertains to our dicks.

Look at it this way: You (BigBen), find a way to accurately translate or cite a source (or multiple sources) which show men with PMMA in their penises having major issues in the long term. Bingo! Then as a forum, we begin to analyze & discuss your sources starting with #1- determining the legitimacy of the anecdotal evidence to the best of our ability, #2- determining whether the evidence is complete (e.g. brand of PMMA, physician, instrumentation, etc), and if not complete, is there enough info to consider the purported complications a seriousness?, and #3- how it relates to the Mexican & European brand of bioplasty as being reported by patients on this forum.

You see, you will have done a service to your fellow forum members, and the rest of us will have chimed in to better improve the knowledge-base of penis enlargement surgery. That is essentially how this forum has operated since its inception.

Anything else is just cheap discussion, or at worst, fear-mongering.

That lets me choose a picture from my phone to text to anthor. The pictures I have from these guys are in a text and I can\'t figure out how to get them on the forum. Tommorow I will try and email them to myself and download them to the pc and upload to the forum.

If you have pix in your iphone, there should be a camera symbol at bottom left of the text window, touch it and you can send pix from your iPhone.

Anyone know how to post picture from iPhone text message?

The doctor didn\'t say you would lose sensitivity but the first guy I talk to did mention it happening on the shaft but not the glands.

N1I you bring up a good point. I am 58 now and my sensitivity is not as good as it was when I was younger. A significant drop would be a deal breaker for me.. I will talk to him again, but may hold off on the glan until treatment 2 (glans only needs 1 injections they told me).

@kcchief can you post the pictures in this thread? Also do he mention losing sensitivity with the gland enlargement? And do he photos for that also that can be posted here? I would be willing to do the gland surgery but I can\'t afford to lose any sensitivity. I have great control for my size.

Believe me this is not a decision I took lightly. I have been considering PE for 2 years now. I just could not take the risk of having Dr Elist work on me and I am not comfortable traveling to Mexico for surgery (we had an extended family member murdered in Juarez 2 yrs ago). Im a retired firefighter from NYC, live in Houston now, so this is a much easier option for me. And yes I understand there are no guarantees and all procedures carry some risk. Having said that, I am happy to finally be moving forward and I will update the forum after my enhancement. Dr Loria assured me he has done many guys with no major complications to date. When I spoke to him he was down to earth, and did not pressure me into making a decision.

They said I could be 7.2 x 7.2 soon

If you are a real person seeking PE and not a shill (1st post saying you are putting a deposit down tomorrow?), you might want to chill a little.

Do some research. I have never heard of guaranteed results.

The pictures they sent me look surprisingly good. Full coverage with taper in the neck area, looks very natural to me. Plus he can make my gland larger too, something I have always been self conscious about. Right now I am 7.2 el 5.75 mid eg. This will be my first PE endeavor so a little nervous. I am going to put my deposit down tomorrow though. They said I could be 7.2 x 7.2 soon (2 treatments) which is my goal. Also Dr Lorian hinted I may be able to go as high as 8in eg but said my girlfriends might not think it is such a great idea haha. thanks kc

Wow is all I can say. 2nd guy just as happy.
Started at. 5 Inch Girth at 6.5 after 3 procedures.
Both very happy and love it. As well he is willing to speak with a mod to tell his story, and he had a fat graft and alodurm before going this route.
He is fine with me shareing his photos but I need a mod number to send them to,In have no idea how to post from my text message.
Thanks for the interest guys just getting this info out to us all.
Kcchief

Bigben wrote: But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism.

Exactly. That\'s the very reason why I (we) ask you to provide some background/sources/info to your assertions so that we can bring to light real risks associated with any given procedure. In this way we can improve the balance of information, both positive & negative outcomes.

In the meantime, I ask we resume the topic matter, thanks.

Hoddle, let me be clear, I have not read about women with PMMA butt injections complaining of granulama symptoms less than three years after treatment. Cases may exist, so perhaps I should have phrased the time frame less definitively. And yes you make a good point, I can offer some personal experience in the future that guys can relate to better. So, There are only two blogs on PMMA penile injections: \"Victims of Dr Bayard\" and \"Victims of Metacril\". Unfortunately though they are in portugese and appear to be heavy on accusations and light on facts, so I primarily have read about PMMA butt complications in the past. The women point out the brand of PMMA occasionally but do not often mention the doctor, and never type of cannula, ect. This type of info just is not available so you never will have all the facts. Honestly, most people that run into problems are depressed and leaving a detailed list of all the circumstances relevant to their case is not a priority. But I agree with you, forum member can filter information accordingly to draw their own conclusions. Let me be clear I am not on a crusade to prevent people from increasing the size of their penis. But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism. Some guys will be perfectly happy with the results of their PE procedure for the rest of their lives, others won\'t.

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

Providing evidence of late on set of problems wont substantiate you claim. We know there is potential for complications many years after the PMMA is injected. But you suggested \"all the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3.\" That simply isn\'t true and posting things like that doesn\'t help anyone.

I fully understand your point of view and truly believe you\'ve only got good intentions, but I think you need to express your opinion a little differently. Maybe, if you able to, expand upon your own experiences, which sound appalling. Let your experiences be an illustration of the risks any guy undertaking any PE procedure will have to consider.

In my experience the theoretical side effects or complications are hard for guys to imagine dealing with. But it\'s easier for them to empathize when \"victims\" explain how these complications have massively negative consequences on their lives as a whole. It\'s tough to know what it\'s like to feel a lump in your penis, but most know what it\'s like to feel so low that getting out of bed in the morning is a continual struggle.