TOPIC: Dr. Loria

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

If you have any information that can be accurately translated from sources that have some legitimacy (or can at least have some plausibility), then it is your obligation to cite them if you wish to make the assertions highlighted in bold by Hoddle.

This forum thrives on the contribution of all posting members. So what exactly is your reason to join threads discussing Silikon 1000 or PMMA if you have nothing but baseless opinions to give? The idea is to share information, debate, and provide different perspectives. Opinions are acceptable when they are formed from an objective analysis. BigBen, you provide no objective content/sources to backup the reasoning behind your opinions. Instead, as Hoddle suggested, you inject fear into the conversation. There is no better way to cheapen the discussion then to incite fear and uncertainty as it pertains to our dicks.

Look at it this way: You (BigBen), find a way to accurately translate or cite a source (or multiple sources) which show men with PMMA in their penises having major issues in the long term. Bingo! Then as a forum, we begin to analyze & discuss your sources starting with #1- determining the legitimacy of the anecdotal evidence to the best of our ability, #2- determining whether the evidence is complete (e.g. brand of PMMA, physician, instrumentation, etc), and if not complete, is there enough info to consider the purported complications a seriousness?, and #3- how it relates to the Mexican & European brand of bioplasty as being reported by patients on this forum.

You see, you will have done a service to your fellow forum members, and the rest of us will have chimed in to better improve the knowledge-base of penis enlargement surgery. That is essentially how this forum has operated since its inception.

Anything else is just cheap discussion, or at worst, fear-mongering.

Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website.
I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ?
Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

Silicone does not promote collagen growth, so something does not make sense. It is your body, you have a right to know exactly what he is injecting, and insist on watching him open the packaging before the procedure. Please do not take anything a PE doctor tells you at face value, insist on verification. If he is evasive, look for a new doctor.

My guess would be he is likely injecting a temporary filler. Like all PE procedures, if it sounds too good to be true it likely is.

Has he injected himself ? Some PE doctors will claim they have had the procedure done on themselves, but they will never show proof. They know PE surgery is dangerous, after witnessing the aftermath of many of their own disfigured patients firsthand.

It\'ll be Silikon 1000

Silikon 1000 sounds like it could be a good choice from what I can find on the net about it.
Thanks hoddle for the info.
Kcchief

Even the butcher elist shows pix of before and after even thu some were not convincing, so if you do not see proof, run way. A few members of this site have gone thru hell and back and their advice is worth millions!

I checked out his website, aside from penile enlargement he seems to specialize in hair restoration. Kind of an odd mix of services, don\'t you think?

ripple wrote: I checked out his website, aside from penile enlargement he seems to specialize in hair restoration. Kind of an odd mix of services, don\'t you think?

Not really. A one-stop shop preying on the vanity and insecurities of men.

Guys one of his customers sent me a few pics this morning and all I can say is this dude is huge over 7 Inch Girth. Hopfully I can ask him to visit the forum and chime in.

He don\'t do the online thing. But willing to talk with a mod and will share pictures with them that they could post. Have a 2nd guy I\'m gona talk with that had it done as well. I will share this with you all and he has before and after pictures to share.

Maybe if you have done a lot of stretching he can transplant hair from your shaft to your head haha. 7in is really big. How many treatments did the guy need to reach this size?

4 since last march or 1 a month. He started at 5.25 Girth.

To be honest, in my opinion, we just aren\'t going to be able to get anywhere near enough information to make this a viable option. There is a study that was carried out in Israel that I posted here previously, but the results in these articles are hard to independently substantiate. Being a pioneer with PMMA carries a big enough element of the unknown and that has widespread use in large quantities. Silikon 1000 seems like PMMA all over again, only this time we don\'t have the large South American market history.

Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA.
Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results.
They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health.

Bigben wrote: Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA. Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results. They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health.

I understand your skepticism towards this procedure. I share it myself and empathize with the stance you have taken. But I\'ve learned from experience the militant opposal to a procedure can be unwise, as so often, rather than deterring a guy from having PE all together, it simply pushes him towards another type of procedure.

You need to stop posting bullshit comments like the one I\'ve highlighted. You\'ve done it a few times and I let it go, as like I said, I empathize with you and understand where you are coming from. I know you just don\'t want anyone to go through what you have. But in my experience, posting false claims in order to support arguments that use fear as a deterrent isn\'t the best way to try and help other members make the best decision for themselves. I spoke the negative truth about the Elist implant until I was blue in the face and had been banned by MNS several times. But ultimately I don\'t think I did any good, as it\'s very hard to get through to people once they\'ve made the decision to have a PE procedure. The vast, majority of guys have an uncanny ability to filter out what they don\'t want to hear.

I think a better approach is to try and get guys to question why they want a penis enlargement in the first place and if these reasons justify the risks involved. Basically try and encourage a more rational thought process. Scare tactics usually just piss people off and if the claims can\'t be substantiated, they often only further the determination of those they are aimed at.