TOPIC: Dr Elist...

Quote:Originally Posted by Mexmuscle
Come on, havent you seen Law and Order?
A damn great show.

Now I can\'t stop laughing.

Lets suppose he posts pictures of his current size but not of the time before he had the implant, many years ago. According to \'Law and Order\' standards that would not be considered proof of anything, so he will be \'banned\' in a matter of a week?

To whom it may concern,

I will be the first to admit that his (megadong\'s) claims are indubitably extraordinary. Photographic evidence would offer some proof to validate his testimony. I attest however that without before and after photos with an object to judge scale, it would prove difficult to sway my opinion. The Girth claims... No The length claims... Yes. I mean no offense to megadong. I just find his story in stark contrast to others that have undergone the same procedure.

I do not advocate PMMA, FFT, Elist Prosthesis Implant, DFG, PLGA Biodegradable Scaffolds or ANY form of Phalloplasty. I actually think we are all kind of... well... crazy. I mean that in the best way possible. LOL

I\'ve heard from several Elist patients that were happy but none gained length the way megadong claims. I\'m not in the habit of calling men out as liars but when the \"fish story\" is so incredible that a serendipitous trip to Elist ends in a gain in length of that magnitude... something\'s \"up.\" Perhaps megadong was longer than he thought before the operation; likely scenario.

Having doctors on both sides of my family and a rudimentary understanding of the anatomical and physiological structure of the penis as an organ, I could only see megadong\'s purported gains in length as a fluke of nature that would cause severe harm to the delicate structures/tissues (corporal bodies, tunica albuginea, buck\'s fascia, dartos, spongiosum, suspensory ligaments...etc) when elongated abruptly.

Would somebody please prove me wrong. I\'ll be here waiting. And waiting. And waiting.

With respect to all (including megadong),

M7

Mexmuscle wrote: Lets suppose he posts pictures of his current size but not of the time before he had the implant, many years ago. According to \'Law and Order\' standards that would not be considered proof of anything, so he will be \'banned\' in a matter of a week?

Posting his pictures will help, but I hope no one is missing the issue here:
If anyone comes onto this forum and says they got huge gains, that\'s one thing. If someone comes onto this site citing huge gains from something specific, like a pill, device, or surgery, it isn\'t unusual for there to be requests to furnish proof. If someone comes onto this forum citing gains that have never been heard of before, that person is obliged to demonstrate the validity of their claims, or else they sound like the Commercial PE industry that we\'re all familiar with... you know... those infamous spam emails we get promising us 3 inches in a pill??
The same goes for PE exercising. Many here have claimed great gains, New1Inch, Messageman, Stillwantmore, and others. However, if someone were to come onto this forum citing they obtained 4 inches in Erect length specifically using The Grip, The Bib, etc - expect their to be harsh scrutiny, and potential banishment if such claims can\'t be backed up.
In a nutshell, wild claims that have never been observed (or extremely rare) citing a specific method/pill/device will face major scrutiny because the only other motive behind such claims are in the business of marketing & sales.
Does failing to provide photos conclusively determine that their testimony is false? No. However it does not satisfy Rule R7, nor does it satisfy the standards by which we hold the discussion to here.
Let\'s not forget, I can technically ban anyone I want for just about anything. However, in order to demonstrate the legitimacy of this forum I have acted entirely within the confines of the forum rules. Furthermore, I\'ve given Moderators the Power of Appeal (a majority vote by the Moderators would block my action - and if I did not adhere to their vote, people could learn whether or not I or this forum are genuinely corrupt lol). I have made strides in ensuring both the credibility & stability of this forum, and Megadong\'s potential banishment would be a continuation of this effort.

The issues are simple: Megadong claims that the Erect length of his penis was increased by 1.5 inches within a few months of his implant being put in. Having monitored the results of the implant on three different websites over three years, I have never seen any length increase of any kind within the first year. Only retraction. After the first year, if the patient were lucky, he might regain the length he had initially lost in the first year. If he were very lucky, he might even gain a little more than he had started with. I have never heard of somebody gaining length like Megadong. Especially considering he never had has ligaments cut and therefore his length gain could only be attributed to the weight of the implant and gravity'. Megadong claims that all the women he has slept with enjoyed his 8.25 Inch Girth. In fact he claims there is no limit to what a woman could take. I could believe that perhaps there might be one (sizequeen) woman out there, who has had several children, that might enjoy such a ridiculous size'But no way, could the average woman accommodate this. Not convinced? Take a measuring tape and see what 8.25 inches looks like.And this is coming from me; a guy who is admittedly obsessed with penis size'I have a 7.25 Inch Girth'.If anybody on this site knows about this topic, I do. Megadong's source of information appears to be the doctor'.\'nuff said. He believes that 99% of patients are happy with their implant and therefore do not gravitate toward the Internet and make their voices heard. This is untrue. Those of us on the old MNS site when it was (almost) legit'followed several patients through the pre implant and post implant stages, and most of those ended up with major complications and subsequent Removal. I also question Megadong's motives. Does he believe Dr. Elist's implant is getting a bad rap and therefore wishes to set the record straight? Does he wish for other men (and their partners) to experience the wonders of the implant? A mix of both?Has he ever entertained the possibility that perhaps the horror stories posted here are much more common than he has stated? If so, I wonder how he would feel about being responsible for enticing even one man into a procedure that could permanently disfigure and injure him. If Dr. Elist is such a straight shooter, how would Megadong explain the shill infested MNS? Would a legitimate, ethical doctor have such a site? How would Megadong explain that this PhalloBoards has exposed/busted (without a shadow of a doubt) Elist implant shills. Is he under the impression that Dr. Elist had nothing to do with these shenanigans? How could Megadong believe anything this doctor says? Megadong claims he is an attorney' Those of you who have followed my posts on this site, the old PhalloBoards, and the old MNS site, know that I am if I have any agenda, it's to get the truth out. It is not a vendetta but rather a campaign for truth. I am an extremely busy person and am dealing with personal (family issues) as I type this. But I do feel that it is my responsibility as a decent human being to make sure that men do not have to go through the same horrifying experience I (and countless others) have had to go through. I believe that men are being misled and lied to, and I won't stand for it. And'I swear I am not making this up; I'm just about to watch 'Law and Order' (in 10 minutes)'Love that show! Messageman

megadong wrote:
Hoddle,

If you speak with the doctor he will tell you that he leaves about 2 inches of implant inside of every patient to allow for growth. Anyone that has had the implant can tell you that you can feel the implant inside you until you start to grow in length. It is 100% there, I complained about it at first but just like the Doctor said it came out with my extra size.

Really? Because in this video clip it clearly shows Dr Elist cutting the implant to make sure that it isn\'t any longer than Flaccid stretched length from the pubic bone to the tip. On several occassions he rotates the penis back and forth to make absolutely sure that it isn\'t too long. If it was too long it buckle and all patients would have the same trouble that nueknob is currently having. If he tried to put the extra implant under the pubic bone the penis would stick out straight when Flaccid. Also the risk of an infection under the pubic bone is far too great as the consequences could be devestating. Hence he goes to so much trouble in the clip to ensure the implant isn\'t too long.



Also we can see in the clip that there is no way the implant could have caused sufficient tension for growth in penis length.

I understood he said he gained 1.5 inches in length overall, affter several years, not within a few months. And he had TWO surgeries, the second to add a bigger implant. I have gained a quarter of an Inch without any implant over several months, so 1.5 inches over several years is not too problematic to understand. In any case, without pics we wont be able to say much more, at least not me. Even if his claims were correct, it still doesnt beat PMMA in my opinion. Elist charges more than 10K, imagine doing this TWICE! And while I have yet to find a PMMA procedure gone wrong (if done properly by a medical professional), nobody can say the same thing about Elist\'s procedures. PMMA, here I go! LOL!

Hi mexmuscle, You wrote:

Mexmuscle wrote: I understood he said he gained 1.5 inches in length overall, affter several years, not within a few months.

On 10/24/11, megadong wrote:

megadong wrote: Messageman--

I had the implant replaced for a larger size back in June 2010. That is the current implant that I have now. I gained and Inch and a half after the surgery, not 3/4 of an Inch.

It took me almost 3 months to achieve that increase in Erect length. The soft length was immediate. I did not research on line at all before the procedure. I found out about the doctor through my friend that had the surgery.

Yes my measurements are 7.5 x 8 1/4

Another issue I have is that from the photo, it seems the gland is about 28.6% of the length of his penis. That would mean the gland would have to be strangely long for the Flaccid penis to be much over 4.5\". Are we suppossed to believe that by applying enough tension to stretch a penis to 75% of it\'s Erect length is going to yield a 1.5\" gain?

@hoddle10
The problem with your analogy is logic. ... Don\'t use it.

M7x6

Moderators: I think you\'re probably correct about megadong ... give a man enough rope, and he\'ll usually hang himself. However I found your posts were at times inappropriate. I have no doubt that you guys are sincere, but you need to be more dispassionate if you want to foster an open forum.
I have read, and believe, the several horrific accounts of botched Elist penile implants, but megadong did make a good point regarding the percentage of botched Elist implants. Anyone who has any experience with gathering such statistical data knows that customers with favorable results are far less likely to report on their good experience than a customer with a bad experience. That being said, someone with a bad experience in an area that is embarrassing to talk about, like this one, is far more likely to just go away without telling his story. When someone has a horrific story though, and can talk about it anonymously on a forum like this, he is more likely to tell his story, if for no other reason than vindication. That\'s a natural human reaction, and I\'d likely do the same.
However, I concur that Elist has probably had well over 1,000 implants, and the number of known complaints (as real and valid as they are) make up a very small percentage of the total procedures. As someone pointed out, only Elist knows how many complications he\'s had with his implants and the rest of us are left with mere speculation. And this is probably the single most vexing thing for me with regard to having a penile implant by him; the probability of serious complications.
I have Elist\'s testicle implants (June, 2009), and while I can go on about things about him and his product that bother me, I am overall satisfied with the experience and the end result. Yes, he is a poor communicator, his office is a patient mill, and he\'s a mediocre businessman, but from my personal experience, I found him to be a sincere physician and competent at his craft. My procedure went off without a hitch and have been happy with my testicle implant decision since day one. However testicles are a lot simpler procedure than penises, thus my dilemma over having the PE procedure done. It seems like PMMA is the way to go, but I still haven\'t ruled out Elist\'s penis implant.

Hi Florida I appreciate your concerns about keeping the site unbiased and open, but with all due respect, Megadong was a shill and he was treated as such. We gave him a chance to prove his outlandish claims, and he failed to do so. The moderators have been at this game long enough to smell out a shill, and such shenanigans will not be tolerated on this site. Indeed, this is one of the big reasons this site was created in the first place.On the other hand, there are a few positive implant stories on the site that are genuine, and therefore have not suffered the scrutiny that 'Megadong's' thread did. Dr. Elist flat out lies about the success rates of his extremely risky implant surgery, and as a result, countless men have had their penises permanently shortened and disfigured. Your assertion (and Megadong's) that unsuccessful cases tend to gravitate to the internet and post their stories, and that in actuality the success rate is high, is simply untrue (as I pointed out in Megadong's thread) Those of us on the old MNS site followed several patients through the pre implant and post implant stages, and most of those guys ended up with major complications and subsequent Removal. Do you think these patients were just extremely unlucky? Perhaps the Old MNS was bad luck?

Florida, Being unbiased, I dont think anyone can claim any specific percentage of Elist patients gone wrong, even if it were \'small\' or \'big\', because there isnt any way to know unless Elist himself were doing that count and informing his patients of it. Neither is there an independent entity doing those statistics and informing the public. Even if it were \'small\', that \'small\' is just too much for those who paid over 10K and ended having to pay even more to recover their penises. I have been in the PE community long enough to hear good and bad stories of everyone and everything. Based on that amount of anectodal evidence, i do have to recognize that I would be scared at tryng Elist\'s implant on mine. That is not the case with most of the other doctors doing this, even if some of them are a bit unethical. It does look to me there must be some, perhaps many (I dont know) happy patients of Elist; but the stories I have read from those who are not (Elist blames the patient all the time it seems) make me ponder if he is doing the best he could in every single clase. My bet is that he is not.

Dr Elist seems to have decent ratings on Healthgrades and Vitals. If they were so many unhappy patients woudn\'t his rating be really lower than what it is?

Messageman, please re-read my comments. I try to chose my words very carefully, so don\'t put words in my mouth. I did not claim that Elist\'s success rate is actually very high; I said that they is no way of determining what his success rate is. I said that the KNOWN complaints make up a very small percentage of his implants, and that is true. I also said that people with embarrassing experiences tend to simply go away, and that, along with the fact that most people with positive experiences tend to not report them, led me to the conclusion that we cannot determine Elist\'s success rate. It is statistically impossible. For you to claim that a high success rate is \"simply untrue\" is conjecture on your part.
My point to you in vetting out the shills is not that you shouldn\'t do it; it is only that, as a moderator, you should handle them more dispassionately. I too was a senior member of the old MNS under the profile name \"Florida33611\" and read countless hours of comments before I went to Elist in the summer of \'09. I am 52 year old and have been quite successful in by businesses by being able to read people and situations. I don\'t question your decision to expose the shills; I question the wisdom in the way you handled it.
If you read my post again, you should see that it is actually making observations and musing the issues, not drawing ultimate conclusions. With regard to your poignant questions at the end of your post, my response is to step back, remove your emotion from the equation, and you\'ll see that I have already answered them.