TOPIC: Dr Elist...

What are you implying?

Its funny because if I said I gained 2 inches from PMMA you would all think it was the best thing ever. You should all have a more open mind. I realize that some of you have had a bad experience with the implant. But I have had a great one, I am not making it up. I get to wake up every morning and look at my giant penis, then I get to use it every night with my wife. I am really debating on posting anymore, it seems like you all don\'t even care what I have to say. Its a little annoying.

MegadongSo you\'re saying you gained an Inch and a half of length in about 2 months, all due to the weight of the implant and gravity? I think that is complete bullshit...You refuse to watch porn because you 'have found Jesus' but you spend your free time encouraging men to have an extremely risky operation in order to increase their penises to the Girth size of a soda can (actually larger). Do you think Jesus would approve of this behavior? I think you're intentions are not genuine and you are either a shill or a very confused individual.Perhaps your story is true and you did have a tremendously successful outcome with the implant, but that's no reason to try to lure men into an operation that could very well end up in misery.
What do you think of the new recent horror stories coming to light on this thread? Do you think they're anomalies? Do you think it was worth the risk for them? What do you think Jesus would say? And I'm not being 'flip' when I use this reference to Jesus'I really would like to know'

mustang2020 wrote: The writing is all over the wall ....

I repeat the above

megadong wrote: What are you implying?

Its funny because if I said I gained 2 inches from PMMA you would all think it was the best thing ever. You should all have a more open mind. I realize that some of you have had a bad experience with the implant. But I have had a great one, I am not making it up. I get to wake up every morning and look at my giant penis, then I get to use it every night with my wife. I am really debating on posting anymore, it seems like you all don\'t even care what I have to say. Its a little annoying.

Let\'s put this into perspective, shall we?
With PMMA, gaining 2 inches in Girth (because no one claims any length gains from this procedure), can be achieved over multiple sessions, and there are plenty of photo evidence showing that gains using this method are indeed achievable. If you had posted this, forum members would still likely ask you for photo evidence - but at the very least we know that such gains are conceivable.
However, your claims are the type that have never ever been affirmed or verified by any kind of progress report or photo evidence. So you are expecting us to believe you when all previous reports of the implant\'s success have never indicated a gain in Erect length (let alone 1.5\").
Your failure to demonstrate the validity of your claims doesn\'t do your cause any justice. Again, 1 week to clear matters up if you decide you wish to continue posting. You may want to consider this, since after all, MyNewSize seems to be down, and where else could you possibly go??
Speaking of which, can you tell us what\'s up with that site? Call it a hunch but I suspect you\'re good friends with mrstone, newgirth, and a few of the fella(s) over there. If you aren\'t, you would probably get along with them just fine!

I\'m still waiting on the before and after pics... And waiting... And waiting... And... Awww ... I give up.

Lets remember that one thing is to be skeptical, one other thing is to be judgemental. If Megadong claims he gained 1.5 inches EL after having the Elist implant, it is of course possible he did, or that he didnt measure it properly and thinks he gained 1.5 inches and may have gained a little less. This is not an exact science. I myself am not sure if I have gained almost two inches with PE or it could be that I gained much less, maybe an Inch, because my measurement skills have improved over time and I might not have done it properly at first. Somewhere else I read Elist does cut a bit of the ligaments when inserting the implant to allow space for it. There are many things that may have happened. Judging Megadong as an Elist Envoy for this 1.5 Inch gain claim will not do much for our growth here.

Mexmuscle wrote: Lets remember that one thing is to be skeptical, one other thing is to be judgemental. If Megadong claims he gained 1.5 inches EL after having the Elist implant, it is of course possible he did, or that he didnt measure it properly and thinks he gained 1.5 inches and may have gained a little less. This is not an exact science. I myself am not sure if I have gained almost two inches with PE or it could be that I gained much less, maybe an Inch, because my measurement skills have improved over time and I might not have done it properly at first. Somewhere else I read Elist does cut a bit of the ligaments when inserting the implant to allow space for it. There are many things that may have happened. Judging Megadong as an Elist Envoy for this 1.5 Inch gain claim will not do much for our growth here.

Except that we have dealt with shills in the past, and that MyNewSize was a breeding ground for them.
It isn\'t the forum\'s intention to isolate and call out one methodology or practice, and if this may appear so, you can blame the guys over at MyNewSize for creating this atmosphere.
Shilling is not tolerated, and anyone who shows up on this forum with wild claims will be asked to provide evidence. The world of commercial PE is all about selling you on bogus claims (i.e. magic pill will make you grow 3 inches in 3 weeks), and Phalloplasty isn\'t immune to these tactics. Mexmuscle, not sure if you followed the old PB, or the old MNS, but we\'ve dealt with this kind of B.S. before.
Could he have obtained a freakish length result by a procedure known to provide zero-to-negative length gains? Sure. But he is going to have to be a lot more thorough in his case if he wishes to make such claims here. It\'s no different than if anyone else comes onto this forum making wild claims about devices, pills, or other Phalloplasty methods.
I should also note, PE exercising has its fair share of progress reports & photos found throughout Thundersplace, PEGym, etc. It\'s much different than making a claim about obtaining 1.5\" Erect length from the implant.
I wouldn\'t call it judgmental. I\'d call it being very critical.

First of all I am not trying to sell the Doctors procedure, I could care less if he makes money or continues to perform the surgery. I do however find it very difficult to understand how a resilient you all are, ( with the exception of mexmuscle, thank you my friend ) in the belief that there are plenty of very happy patients of Dr elists out there. Consider this, last time I talked to the Doctor he had performed over 1000 implant surgeries with his newest model. As S.O. would say, lets put this into perspective. He has been doing the implant here in the USA since 05, if he did one per day, which is a very low estimate considering there were 3 other guys doing it the day I had it done..... that would be 20 a month, which would be 240 a year for 6 years... if my math is correct that equals 1440 surgeries, and that is on the conservative side. Out of all of those people your telling me that I am the only one that had a great result. I find that very hard to believe. It seems like SO and several others of you are the ones that have ulterior motives on this site. I would almost describe it as a vendetta against the Doctor.

Why do I say this,

Well I have never once tried to convince someone to have the surgery, I have never furnished the doctors number or said anything about my experience that was not 100% true. SO you say I cant be real because I have not created a progress report, I am sorry that I don\'t have all day to post in penis forums. I have a job and it requires a lot of my time. I don\'t think my clients would be happy knowing that their attorney is charging them for time I am spending on here. I am sure I will one day post my entire penis journey, that is if people want to hear it. As of now it seems like you are mostly concerned with smearing doctor elists name.

This is supposed to be an open forum, where people can discuss both the ups and downs of surgical procedures. It seems like you are only interested in advertising PMMA and the defamation of Dr Elist\'s reputation.

Furthermore,

I am just like all of you, I joined this forum to keep up with the latest news in PE. If there were ever a better way to increase my size I would do it, I would not hesitate to remove the implant if I discovered an even better surgery. As of now however I think the implant is the best surgical procedure out there. That is why I SUPPORT it, not PUSH IT OR SELL IT. Do I recommend it, absolutely, It gave me a confidence that I have never felt. I thank GOD every day for this gift, and for allowing me the chance to share my story.

Messageman--

Just when I thought we were friends, you saying that you doubt my faith!
My friend, who are you to judge me. You have no reason to think that I am lying or that I am withholding information or exaggerating claims.


James 4:11-12

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

megadong wrote: First of all I am not trying to sell the Doctors procedure, I could care less if he makes money or continues to perform the surgery. I do however find it very difficult to understand how a resilient you all are, ( with the exception of mexmuscle, thank you my friend ) in the belief that there are plenty of very happy patients of Dr elists out there. Consider this, last time I talked to the Doctor he had performed over 1000 implant surgeries with his newest model. As S.O. would say, lets put this into perspective. He has been doing the implant here in the USA since 05, if he did one per day, which is a very low estimate considering there were 3 other guys doing it the day I had it done..... that would be 20 a month, which would be 240 a year for 6 years... if my math is correct that equals 1440 surgeries, and that is on the conservative side. Out of all of those people your telling me that I am the only one that had a great result. I find that very hard to believe. It seems like SO and several others of you are the ones that have ulterior motives on this site. I would almost describe it as a vendetta against the Doctor.

Why do I say this,

Well I have never once tried to convince someone to have the surgery, I have never furnished the doctors number or said anything about my experience that was not 100% true. SO you say I cant be real because I have not created a progress report, I am sorry that I don\'t have all day to post in penis forums. I have a job and it requires a lot of my time. I don\'t think my clients would be happy knowing that their attorney is charging them for time I am spending on here. I am sure I will one day post my entire penis journey, that is if people want to hear it. As of now it seems like you are mostly concerned with smearing doctor elists name.

This is supposed to be an open forum, where people can discuss both the ups and downs of surgical procedures. It seems like you are only interested in advertising PMMA and the defamation of Dr Elist\'s reputation.

Furthermore,

I am just like all of you, I joined this forum to keep up with the latest news in PE. If there were ever a better way to increase my size I would do it, I would not hesitate to remove the implant if I discovered an even better surgery. As of now however I think the implant is the best surgical procedure out there. That is why I SUPPORT it, not PUSH IT OR SELL IT. Do I recommend it, absolutely, It gave me a confidence that I have never felt. I thank GOD every day for this gift, and for allowing me the chance to share my story.

Messageman--

Just when I thought we were friends, you saying that you doubt my faith!
My friend, who are you to judge me. You have no reason to think that I am lying or that I am withholding information or exaggerating claims.


James 4:11-12

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Ah, so now words in my mouth and allegations that I somehow harbor an agenda and vendetta against a particular doctor? You know, I think virtually anyone following the PB scene long enough can smell your shit from a mile away.
It seems like you continue to enjoy making wild claims, and I\'ll do my best to address them.
Firstly you stated:\"Out of all of those people your telling me that I am the only one that had a great result. I find that very hard to believe. It seems like SO and several others of you are the ones that have ulterior motives on this site. I would almost describe it as a vendetta against the Doctor.\"
Seriously? We have had members openly share their successful and unsuccessful stories. There were many guys who were able to share their stories without any accusation of shilling (examples: Marknmau, Regularguy, Stalemango, and others). Why were you called out and they weren\'t? Well you figure that out.
Furthermore, some of the earliest threads at the old PB were implant success stories. Take that one to the bank.
You also said:\"SO you say I cant be real because I have not created a progress report, I am sorry that I don\'t have all day to post in penis forums. I have a job and it requires a lot of my time. I don\'t think my clients would be happy knowing that their attorney is charging them for time I am spending on here. \"
I could care less what you do. If you wish to come onto a forum and make wild claims, you will be asked to provide evidence. Can\'t get anymore objective than that.
You also said:\"It seems like you are only interested in advertising PMMA and the defamation of Dr Elist\'s reputation. \"
Is this your last hurrah? Because it seems like you know that your ban is just around the corner. I mean really? You know, you can check out the forum guidelines, both advertising and defamation are in violation of the forum rules and are strictly enforced. If you can find me one instance, even one, of either advertising of PMMA or the defamation of anyone, please feel free to PM/email me and I will have it examined.
I really don\'t have any tolerance for this kind of horseshit. I work full time & am a student, my purpose for this forum has nothing to do with silly vendettas or petty posturing. This forum has demonstrated an unparalleled impartiality to all things Phalloplasty.
As a member once noted... this forum is an exchange ground for trends and information. Methods that are successful will inevitably become popular and posted on frequently, whereas poorer methods will bite the dust. That\'s the nature of a forum, and neither myself or any specific member has control over anything that governs the discussion.
Good day sir.

****There were many guys who were able to share their stories without any accusation of shilling (examples: Marknmau, Regularguy, Stalemango, and others). Why you are called out and they weren\'t? Well you figure that out. ***

That is what I am trying to figure out. Perhaps you could elaborate...

Let me just say that banning me would really show just how corrupt the site is, I joined this site instead of MNS because this seemed to be legit. I am now seriously doubting that decision because of YOUR comments. There do seem to be several people on here like me, that just want to have an open discussion without any finger pointing or calling out. Believe what you want, but I am an open book and have nothing to hide.

I will have a great day, Sir.

megadong wrote: ****There were many guys who were able to share their stories without any accusation of shilling (examples: Marknmau, Regularguy, Stalemango, and others). Why you are called out and they weren\'t? Well you figure that out. ***

That is what I am trying to figure out. Perhaps you could elaborate...

Let me just say that banning me would really show just how corrupt the site is, I joined this site instead of MNS because this seemed to be legit. I am now seriously doubting that decision because of YOUR comments. There do seem to be several people on here like me, that just want to have an open discussion without any finger pointing or calling out. Believe what you want, but I am an open book and have nothing to hide.

I will have a great day, Sir.

Thanks for the comedy, because banning someone who violates forum rules totally comes off as corrupt. Okay, if you say so
Oh and why you are being accused of shilling whereas other successful implant patients aren\'t? Well you may want to get everyone\'s opinion on this but I\'ll attempt to elaborate.
On the old PB, we actually caught a shill in the act of shilling. The thread can be found here: phalloplasty.proboards.com/index.cgi?boa...n=display&thread=201 This user is Newgirth, and also posted frequently over at MyNewSize touting how amazing the implant was and made wild claims similar to yours (heck, his post-op dimensions are not far off). Mrstone also posted both at the old PB & MNS, and he openly admitted he was a retired-shill.
The reason why your posts may be receiving the kind of scrutiny that it is...well that\'s because your tone, approach, and claims are not that much different then those who have been suspected of shilling in the past. That simple.
Furthermore, virtually all of our implant posters (successful or unsuccessful) have NEVER measured a gain in erect length via implant alone. This does not mean that it cannot happen, it simply means that anyone who does gain length and wants to report it should be expected to prove it. Such a claim is counter to the knowledge we have about the methodology. On top of that...it\'s hard to figure out what mechanism is behind giving your penis 1.5\" in erect length from the weight of silicone strips alone. If you did somehow obtain these gains, we need to know that they are in fact real... from there we can assess whether your gains were a lucky and freakish result, a mis-measurement, or the doctor did something specific for you that needs to be replicated. We\'re all about being objective here.
Anyways, like I said, you have 1 week to establish some validity to your claims, because it is in blunt violation of Rule R7. I\'m doing my part as Admin/Moderator, you do your part as a contributing member. Thanks.

-S.O.

Hi megadong,
You wrote:

megadong wrote: This is supposed to be an open forum, where people can discuss both the ups and downs of surgical procedures. It seems like you are only interested in advertising PMMA and the defamation of Dr Elist\'s reputation.

That\'s a very serious allegation on your part, so I will respond in kind.
1. Regarding this forum being an advertisement for PMMA, I direct you to the very recent thread \"Going for PMMA soon. It sounds too good to be true\":
phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Goi...-to-be-true.-5561512
Here is my response to an individual contemplating PMMA (and I am a moderator):

skatezy777 wrote: Hi ricric,
Welcome to the forum! I agree, it\'s never good to make a big decision in crisis. As miracle said, there are zero long term studies on PMMA in the penis, so while in the short-term things seem promising, you certainly want to be cognizant that there is the possibility that things might not work out, and if you decide to proceed you have to be able to accept that implicit risk.
Your starting size is very good, so perhaps researching and waiting may be the best course of action. Best of luck to you, and we will all be thinking about you.
Skatezy

Here is another moderator, miracle7, weighing in:

miracle7 wrote: I recommend further research. There are no long term studies on PMMA used in the penis. Don\'t allow glowing reports to sway you in any way. All of that could end over a period of time. I\'m 38 and married and lived without a functional penis for 15 years and knew the risks and was and am prepared to live with my decision. It\'s not a fool proof method to gain girth; some gain nothing at all. Complications do arise. I would seek a qualified urologist and perhaps a psychologist before undertaking a potentially harmful operation of the penis. You only get one and cannot replace it.

And here is the administrator, Skeptical One:

Skeptical One wrote: While I am not criticizing those who have chosen the PMMA route, I will remind those of average (and especially above average) sizes that this method is by no means the magic bullet (at least not conclusively), has risks for minor and major complication, and in its current state is still being refined and examined (which this forum is a great part of). Unless you have a supportive significant other and wish to rekindle the bedroom, or possess under-average stats, be sure that your decision to undergo any phalloplasty method is done so with a sound state-of-mind.

2. Regarding your statement that this forum is intended to defame Elist:
Look, if someone claims they gained 1.5 inches of length from a procedure where no one has gained length from, that person is going to be scrutinized. I don\'t think it\'s \"defaming\" someone simply to ask for proof of those claims. There are quite a few before and after pictures of PMMA that show girth enhancement. The same cannot be said with the Elist implant and erect LENGTH, as you claim.
Penis enlargement is an area where there are attempts at commercializing on guys\' insecurities (\"take this pill and you will gain inches!!!\"). Hence the scrutiny that accompanies unsubstantiated claims of massive gains.
Best, and respectfully,Skatezy

Sorry guys, but in my humble view you are all overreacting. Because you found many \'shillers\' at the previous site it doesnt mean that every single time there is one guy saying he had good results with a method most of us dislike (for many logical reasons I am among them) it doesnt mean he is \'guilty\'. Megadong\'s results arent that outrageous. Come on, havent you seen Law and Order?

Mexmuscle wrote: Sorry guys, but in my humble view you are all overreacting. Because you found many \'shillers\' at the previous site it doesnt mean that every single time there is one guy saying he had good results with a method most of us dislike (for many logical reasons I am among them) it doesnt mean he is \'guilty\'. Megadong\'s results arent that outrageous. Come on, havent you seen Law and Order?

We are open to people posting about their successes and failures irrespective of the methods used. As I mentioned in a previous post, some of our first threads at the Old PB were that of successful implant patients who were never accused or treated as shills.
Megadong\'s results are unheard of using the silicone implant, and because of this, we have asked for evidence. The suggestion (a.k.a. wild claim) that the implant can offer any length at all (let alone 1.5\") is really a sales pitch we\'ve seen come out the mouths of confirmed shills in the past. It borders on outrageous, and would be completely outrageous if we weren\'t giving him the benefit of the doubt. Hence why I have offered him 1 week to clear this all up...the ball\'s in his court.
As for overreaction? How do you think patients who have had nightmares with the implant reacted? Not sure I wouldn\'t overreact if I suspected someone could be selling a procedure on half-truths & exaggerated or false claims... a procedure which may yield opposite of what it was intended to provide.
Mexmuscle, I hope you have my understanding - the world of Phalloplasty (especially prior to the advent of penile bioplasty) was & is full of shills, brokers, and questionable docs (not naming any in particular). Greed and instant gratification were the name of the game, and well, remnants of this PE industry still persist.

Hi mexmuscle,
Here are my responses:

Mexmuscle wrote: Megadong\'s results arent that outrageous.

I have never seen photographic evidence of the Elist implant increasing Erect length on anyone, much less by 1.5 inches. Furthermore, I don\'t think I\'ve even heard anecdotal evidence of Erect length increases with the Elist implant.
If you are insinuating that a 1.5 Inch Erect gain is not outrageous through manual methods such as stretching and Hanging, I could see where you are coming from because there have been several reports of gains at Thundersplace.org. However, I have tried manual PE for about a year and a half without any success, so I am skeptical of such claims because I haven\'t seen them myself, but remain open to the possibility.

Mexmuscle wrote: Because you found many \'shillers\' at the previous site it doesnt mean that every single time there is one guy saying he had good results with a method most of us dislike (for many logical reasons I am among them) it doesnt mean he is \'guilty\'.

You are correct. A good result does not mean someone is guilty.

Mexmuscle wrote: Sorry guys, but in my humble view you are all overreacting.

Respectfully, I disagree. However, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and I respect your opinion.
In my opinion, guys need to have access to honest information before embarking on such a major decision. If someone touts an incredible 1.5 Inch gain, I really feel they have a responsibility to demonstrate that gain instead of just bashing this forum and saying we all hate Dr. Elist and are promoters of PMMA.
There have been too many guys who have had poor experiences because they were desperate and seeking anything to allow them to escape from their hell. Guys have a tendency to WANT TO BELIEVE that \"procedure X will save me from my misery.\" Which is why when someone makes an incredible claim, all of us need to be very scrutinizing of that claim.

Mexmuscle wrote: Come on, havent you seen Law and Order?

A damn great show.