TOPIC: My journey with Dr. Victor Liu - Alloderm & Ligament (for girth & length)

@SouthBay612
Did I read correctly that you had your glans done? If so, are you tracking the girth of the glans . It is usually around the 2 week mark that most people have seen their glans begin to go back to normal size. I would be very interested to see how you are fairing on this.

As for your lig cut, I can assume at this point that your pain has gone down quite a bit. Are you keeping some weight or stretch on it at all? if not yet, try to start. not much, but somewhat. Try to things to heal in the most stretched state possible. esp the forming scar tissue.

Good luck man, great looking results, keep us posted. and thank you for the contribution.

Texas wrote: @SouthBay612
Did I read correctly that you had your glans done? If so, are you tracking the girth of the glans . It is usually around the 2 week mark that most people have seen their glans begin to go back to normal size. I would be very interested to see how you are fairing on this.

As for your lig cut, I can assume at this point that your pain has gone down quite a bit. Are you keeping some weight or stretch on it at all? if not yet, try to start. not much, but somewhat. Try to things to heal in the most stretched state possible. esp the forming scar tissue.

Good luck man, great looking results, keep us posted. and thank you for the contribution.

Thanks @Texas ! Yes sir on the glans. I actually didn't think of measuring glans pre-op but you're right after about 1.5 weeks it deflated from where it was - assumingly because of swelling. It is still larger than before and proportional to my new shaft size. I need to let the Bellafill do its thing for a little while. Dr. Liu said if I want to do more in the future I can, and can even go a bit bigger in the shaft ... and the quest to go bigger and bigger begins! My only thing is erect length... I'm still sitting at 5" so I'm afraid too much more girth would give it a short & stumpy look. On that note...

Weights & stretching - I started stretching on day 1, 6 sets / 4 reps, 30 sec hold. I had to stop this week though because it keeps pulling my incision open. So taking a week off to let it heal. Once healed I'll be around my day 35-40 and will be able to take the wrap off and start wearing the weights he provides. I was actually just browsing through your aftercare thread since at that point I may want to experiment with different weights/stretchers, etc. I know from these forums that if I want to see erect length gain from the lig cut it's going to take some work. Need to keep reading up to get everyone's recommendations.

Pain... minimal at this point. There has actually been very little pain along the way - perhaps just a bit tender. Exception to that is with erections. First 2 weeks I would wake up at night with relatively painful erections (which I believe is literally the sutures inside being stretched a bit). That's gotten better now but is still not 100% - I think that just means the sutures are still dissolving.

Thanks Texas!

Thanks for the updates, sincerely! Between your detailed account of your experience and the plethora of good quality photos, I really hope you the best with this whole process and it's looking good.

Skeptical_One wrote: Thanks for the updates, sincerely! Between your detailed account of your experience and the plethora of good quality photos, I really hope you the best with this whole process and it's looking good.

Thanks SO! Hopefully it helps others. This is me paying it forward because if it weren't for PhalloBoards I probably would have made the mistake of getting a PeNoNo.

Hey just curious, if you have an active lifestyle - did you have to be careful? Gymming, running, etc?
Is it like a month long pause?
Sweat or aggressive movement would be an issue?

Also do you mind sharing the cost breakdown?
Thanks in advance

Onthefence28 wrote: Hey just curious, if you have an active lifestyle - did you have to be careful? Gymming, running, etc?
Is it like a month long pause?
Sweat or aggressive movement would be an issue?

Also do you mind sharing the cost breakdown?
Thanks in advance

Hi - I do and that was one of my biggest concerns going into it. I didn't want to have to take months off from the gym. I run and lift weights consistently. The restrictions weren't that bad:
- week 1 no exercise, but things like walking are fine
- week 2 50% intensity - dr suggested focus on upper body
- week 3: 100% capacity is okay but I suggest keeping it around 75% still - I could just "feel" that I wasn't ready for 100% intensity yet. If you're a runner I would swap out something more low impact like stair stepper. All upper body movements are fine
- no squatting or crunch movements until the bandage comes up (around day 35-40) because it messes with the bandage

Sweat wasn't really an issue for me, although in the post-op instructions it says that this can cause dryness under the bandage.

Dr Liu's pricing is here:https://bayareapenisenlargement.com/fees/ -- I paid $23K for both the Girth and lig cut together. I have another friend who is a surgeon and she told me that Alloderm (and similar) are very expensive, so this is part of the reason the price is high. But it's a "one and done" type of procedure -- although those who want to go even bigger likely can with a future round of filler.

As far as the prices - to give you a reference of how prices have changed - >

In 1998 I paid $13,000 for the lengthening and free fat transfer (Chicago).
On top of that I had to pay $6,000 for the anesthesia, hospital fees, etc..
So a total of $19,000

In 2023 prices that’s $35,564.85.

Yes, prices have definitely gone down while procedures have gotten MUCH better..

Thanks for sharing
My broke ass is going to keep doing PE for now then.

Do you know if this would show oddly in an XRAY? like at TSA or during a hip scan at a specialist for example?

So how long was recovery fully for you to be able to do exercise? Guessing 3 weeks isn't because of bandage

123abc wrote: As far as the prices - to give you a reference of how prices have changed - >

In 1998 I paid $13,000 for the lengthening and free fat transfer (Chicago).
On top of that I had to pay $6,000 for the anesthesia, hospital fees, etc..
So a total of $19,000

In 2023 prices that’s $35,564.85.

Yes, prices have definitely gone down while procedures have gotten MUCH better..

@123abc this does put it in perspective! It’s all relative, I guess

123abc wrote: As far as the prices - to give you a reference of how prices have changed - >

In 1998 I paid $13,000 for the lengthening and free fat transfer (Chicago).
On top of that I had to pay $6,000 for the anesthesia, hospital fees, etc..
So a total of $19,000

In 2023 prices that’s $35,564.85.

Yes, prices have definitely gone down while procedures have gotten MUCH better..

Yes, male Phalloplasty in the 90s and 2000's were not only insanely expensive but generally bad in overall quality/results. Before I ran these forums, I was on much smaller niche sites like (the now defunct) MyNewSize and Yahoo Phalloplasty Group -- you'd always read more about botcheries than any real success stories. A lot of newcomers to this site have no idea how bad it really used to be.

I'm not downplaying nodules or minor symmetry imperfections (I've had them myself and later fixed), but we're fortunate to live in a time where those are the biggest issues we deal with. In years past, you'd know real complications when you see implants protruding from skin, dicks so lumpy it looked like dog chew toys, severe infections, loss of sensation & impotence, and even worse, Necrosis (tissue death). Doctors losing licenses, former patients discussing deep depression, and so on. We really have come a long way and I stress that especially to the newcomers.

Despite inflation, costs are generally better now (likely due to a growing surplus of providers which makes for healthy competition) AND these procedures have improved immensely in efficacy; very much a win-win. It's like the 2020's are the Golden Age of male Phalloplasty, if you want a bigger Dick, there hasn't been a better time in the history of cosmetic/aesthetic medicine to do so.

Very true.

Of course, the negative aspect of this is that people’s awareness of options available AND of expectations will only be trending upwards.

Not sure what this will do to the mental well-being of the average guy. Only time can tell..

Onthefence28 wrote: Thanks for sharing
My broke ass is going to keep doing PE for now then.

Do you know if this would show oddly in an XRAY? like at TSA or during a hip scan at a specialist for example?

So how long was recovery fully for you to be able to do exercise? Guessing 3 weeks isn't because of bandage

You'd have to ask a doctor on the XRAY question but I did a quick google search and found this: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4060408/ -- doubt your average TSA agent would be able to notice anything.

FULL recovery back to 100% intensity exercise for me was 4 weeks because I was just listening to my body. It's not just the bandage... there is some swelling and a bit of tenderness. For me I think most of the tenderness was from the area where the ligament was cut. Running is what took the longest for me to get back to 100% on... I would notice that the day after I ran things would get a little swollen, so I took it easy getting back to full capacity here. Upper body lifts, I would back to full capacity somewhere between 2-3 weeks. Lower body, I avoided some exercises for 4 weeks (for example I did single leg deadlifts and single leg press vs traditional deadlifts and leg press because it is less pressure on the penis area)

Couple folks have asked for an update via PM so I snapped a couple photos and did some measurements. It has been six weeks (44 days) since my surgery.

• Flaccid Girth has actually increased a hair from post-op - was 2 7/8" pre-op, 4.5" post-op, and is now 4 5/8" --> Flaccid Girth gain of 1.75"
• Everything else is the same...1" EG gain, 1" FL gain, no notable EG gains

I have been Hanging with the "weighted vest" Dr. Liu gave me for just short of two weeks now, about 3 hours a day for 5-6 days per week. I started at 1lb and am working up to 3lbs. I've been reading up on various Hanging techniques & devices and seems 3lbs isn't all that much but that's the max Dr. Liu is having me work up to (at least for now). Dr. Liu says to expect another 1/2" in length gain with this (and hopefully a bit of Erect length gains? Am open to others input here on Hanging techniques.)

My glans has also gotten a bit girthier, really over the past week or two. I haven't been measuring here but am just tracking visually. It was immediately larger after the surgery, got a bit smaller about two weeks after (assumingly because swelling went down, or perhaps this is just how Bellafill works) and has now gained some Girth again as the Bellafill has been doing its thing.

Issues/Observations:
- I mentioned in a previous update a little clump of fat on my underside caused by wrapping my bandage too tight at first. That clump of fat went away on its own soon after (whew!), but I do have a bit of an indented 'ring' toward the base of my penis - literally where the bandage was wrapped too tight (from the fat). You can see what I'm referring to in this pics and it does bother me, but Dr. Liu said he'll easily be able to touch that area up with a bit filler when I see him again in a couple weeks.
- Veins have started to pop through and the overall 'rubbery' feel I mentioned previously has dissipated significantly

I've put it into good use a couple of times and it both looks and feels great. The enhancements were completely undetectable other than the scar which wasn't noticeable in dim lighting. That'll keep fading so as mentioned previously I'm not worried about it.

So far would you say it was worth it even if you don't gain any Erect length? (Expense and recovery)

Glad to see things are going well!