TOPIC: Voluma HA with Dr Horn from Androfill in London

Hi Latin, because I was Flaccid and my Foreskin wasn\'t retracted I think he injected into the Foreskin, when he retracted it to do the gland all the gel was on my gland and he removed it with tissue. From then on, when I pulled my Foreskin back, i basically had cauliflower like collar around my glands, not a pretty site I tell you!!!!
This was the first lot of standard Juverderm I had regularised, I couldn\'t live with the collar, there was no Girth increase in the shaft. The second lot of voluma worked initially but as I only had 4 shots i don\'t think it was enough to make a difference and it soon went back to normal other than the nodgules, like clotted hard Balls, 2.

Having now read all the different methods on here I\'m stuck between a rock and hard place on what to do.......was always going to go for surgery but very sceptical now, especially as Dr Horn is concerned!

I didn\'t take any photos so can\'t post I\'m afraid

I agree with you that in my experience Dr Horn is not the best and doesn\'t want to spend time talking with you , he literally just starts injecting without any discussion , if he did then I think I could have saved a few quid by not having to keep going back to fix . Having said that I do recommend the procedure as I have gained an Inch in Girth .

Dexterphall

How is your Voluma holding up?

I\'ve been browsing these boards for a while, since before I decided to get Androfill and thought it only fair to share my experience.

All in all it pains me to have to say it but my experience has not been a great one, I\'m now at 12ml after 3 treatments and no real noticeable size increase, just a lumpy penis and '3k+ down. I find the massaging process very difficult to even out and then with top ups it\'s impossible to pinpoint exactly where it is needed to rectify the problem in it\'s Flaccid state. I\'m stuck in the position of not wanting to waste anymore of my money but I also can\'t leave it like this. It has had the complete opposite effect on my life that it was supposed to.

Obviously some people have had positive experiences but I thought it only fair to share mine.

How much has everyone else had to the point where they were happy with the results? I may go for another 4ml as one last attempt at something I am happy with but I\'m scared that it will still be left uneven after the next one.

Sorry to hear about your experience, what filler did you go with Snafu86?

Also, what does Dr. Horn say about your lack of size increase and the aesthetic results?

I\'ve not actually discussed the lack of size as at my last appointment I was only at 9ml so I thought I should have a little more before I complain about the size, but I can\'t really see the difference that top up has made. In fairness their site does recommend 15ml so I\'ll have another 3 or 4 and report back. The 12ml doesn\'t come close to what it looked like in the 1st week when I had 5ml done, I knew to expect a lot of that to be swelling but had no idea that much of it would be so I would advise anyone getting it done not to get your hopes up in the 1st week as you\'ll be setting yourself up for disappointment. Francis did say that up to 50% of it could be swelling, I\'d say it was more like 70% of that initial week was swelling but he did warn me not to get my hopes up in fairness.

The aesthetic thing is partly my own fault because I didn\'t massage it hard enough in the first week, I thought I was but clearly not, it was also hard to judge with the swelling which I mistook for smoothness. On the next two treatments though I massaged like crazy.

There\'s only a few more areas where it\'s uneven so hopefully the next treatment will sort that out, and I can see from browsing most of the people who are happy with it have had a larger amount than 12ml so I\'ll reserve my judgement about the size until after my next treatment and report back. The issue is being able to point out the areas that need topped up on my next appointment because the area it should go will vary and move depending on how Flaccid it is.

Snafu86,

Normally i would expect maybe 2cm increase in Flaccid circumference with 12ml, ofter more if you are not too long. Although I do have in the info sheets and website about massaging for most guys I don\'t think it is supper important. Shrinkage/Turtling is what I think causes most of the issues.

But yes some guys do get quite a bit of swelling (so way bigger than 1\" increase circumference initially) and get a bit disappointed when it got back to the real increase. That is why measurements and photos are so important.

I am hopefully going to do training for doctors in the UK this year. I am training up some doctors in the states of Australia and New Zealand so feel I should take all that heard work and put it to good use. Just need to get the word out to doctors that there are guys wanting this treatment and that Calibre is the best developed version of HA Phalloplasty.

Snafu86 wrote: I\'ve not actually discussed the lack of size as at my last appointment I was only at 9ml so I thought I should have a little more before I complain about the size, but I can\'t really see the difference that top up has made. In fairness their site does recommend 15ml so I\'ll have another 3 or 4 and report back. The 12ml doesn\'t come close to what it looked like in the 1st week when I had 5ml done, I knew to expect a lot of that to be swelling but had no idea that much of it would be so I would advise anyone getting it done not to get your hopes up in the 1st week as you\'ll be setting yourself up for disappointment. Francis did say that up to 50% of it could be swelling, I\'d say it was more like 70% of that initial week was swelling but he did warn me not to get my hopes up in fairness.

The aesthetic thing is partly my own fault because I didn\'t massage it hard enough in the first week, I thought I was but clearly not, it was also hard to judge with the swelling which I mistook for smoothness. On the next two treatments though I massaged like crazy.

There\'s only a few more areas where it\'s uneven so hopefully the next treatment will sort that out, and I can see from browsing most of the people who are happy with it have had a larger amount than 12ml so I\'ll reserve my judgement about the size until after my next treatment and report back. The issue is being able to point out the areas that need topped up on my next appointment because the area it should go will vary and move depending on how Flaccid it is.

The only problem with Dr Horn is he does it in Flaccid state and i find its very difficult to even out. if you want a good Inch in Girth you could need at least 30cc ( but everyone is different )

costa wrote: The only problem with Dr Horn is he does it in Flaccid state and i find its very difficult to even out. if you want a good Inch in Girth you could need at least 30cc ( but everyone is different )

I would have though injecting in Erect state makes sense. But Dr. C said Flaccid was better as they can more easily manipulate it. Pretty sure he was speaking of PMMA, but I\'d think HA injection technique would be similar?

30cc? Hmm, the site says 15ml to get one Inch or maybe more if you\'re quite long which I\'m definitely not.

Dr Oates, how would you recommend evening out irregularities bearing in mind the shrinkage? If I want to point out to the doctor the areas that need filling in the next appointment, it\'s very difficult to pinpoint the areas in the Flaccid state.

For one of my aesthetics session with Dr Horn I marked circles around all the spots I needed more voluma in with a pen while I had the Erection. He injected in those spots a bit later when I was soft and got the result I wanted. Also its a good idea to pull the Flaccid penis to its full length cause that helps the imperfections show.

In a previous attempt I had asked him to inject me Erect but even after the Erection injection, can\'t remember what it\'s called, I went soft straight away so the markings for me are a much better way.

I have also had filler at Moorgate Aesthics and then at Androfill to fix it.

I had this lumpiness issue after being injected with the wrong filler by Moorgate Aesthetics

It was not Voluma and the Dr could not explain to me what it was, there was no box or certificate or any indication of the product. It was injected with an artificial Erection by the african doctor Kimilu at Moorgate.

In my experience being injected when Erect is a total gimmick. The filler is smooth at the start when you are walking around Erect in the clinic (which is embarrassing), but then how do you maintain the Erection for the whole week or two while the filler sets. All the filler injected Erect migrated to the middle of the penis after losing an Erection, all the filler squashed up as soon as I went soft.

I complained about this to Moorgate and was sent back for more filler which I had to pay for.
After still not being happy I demanded a refund from Moorgates clinic manager Toni. I had not signed any consent form or been given a proper consultation at Moorgate which helped my cause in getting the refund.

I then went to Androfill and Dr Francis advised dissolving all of the filler and starting again using the proper Voluma filler which would work perfectly. Dr Horn dissolved all of the Moorgate filler and injected the Voluma 1 week later. However Francis did not explain, or I did not understand how to mould it smooth. Francis was in a bit of a rush and did not spend more than 1-2 minutes explaining how to mould.

The result was better than when injected Erect, but still not totally smooth and some missing from the base of the penis. I showed Francis the photos and he agreed. Dr Horn dissolved all of the Voluma and reinjected 10 ml more of Voluma 2 weeks later again, for no cost.

Snafu86 should complain to Dr Horn that Francis did not explain properly how to mould and ask for the procedure to be repeated for free.

I have now had a near perfect result from Androfill (after the initial problem with moulding) which I have maintained for over 6 months.