TOPIC: Astrix's PE journey (PMMA/Chem PE/extender/pump etc)

GUYS - JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH DR ADAMS. Ok so Im calling off 2nd round PMMA for now cause I want to see how Dr. A\'s Chem PE works.

So he gave me a lot of time on the phone and let me try to regurgitate how much I recall. He said:

- extenders/hangers are generally not good cause your tissue is breaking faster than its rebuilding or something so if you\'ve extensively used it before his technique may have limited benefit, he suggested keep it on 30 mins off 30 mins, do 60-90 sec manual stretch its enough ever few hours etc.
- PMMA is not good for his lengthening tech, said if you want to do it after ok but in general PMMA is counter productive as it creates scar tissue and makes penis heavier and can lead to ED as requires more blood to make it hard etc. He said if i came to him after round 2 then his lenthening would pretty much not be possible cause too much scar tissue, said even now he has to see and evaluate how much I can benefit.
- he treats only Canadian or non-US citizen patients cause of mal practice insurance, said its not worth getting the coverage which is useless and only covers 3 patients so only treats Canadian/residents who have local insurance.
- took quite a lot of time about the process explained the chems he uses to relax, and whatever I dont know what he was saying but something along the lines of rebuilding longer fibers or something.

Cost is 795$ one off year fee and cost of meds is generally 120$ per month. You dont need to live near, as he will see you 3 days consecutive, but blood works needs to be done which I will do on Apr 28 and then May 03 is when it will get started.

I will have more details soon. I will also ask Wade about PMMA and ED etc that Dr. A mentioned.... he said Im surprised doctors are still doing PMMA and didnt say anything about this risk.

So far I can say I dont feel any ED, he said in the long-run it could effect cause some fibers become weaker or harder dont know which one.

Thats the update for DOC A guys

@astrix1981
He said something about aliens or illuminati? It\'s interesting why he say that 30 min of stretch is enough, because there\'s tons of docs who tells you, that you should stretch your penis about 8 hours per day to see any gain.

So he said that for lengthening specifically regarding his technique shouldnt put extenders for long periods of time, or if you put on do and on/off strategy cause he said something along the lines of breaking and making fibers one happening faster than other resulting in gains being reduced.

Nope, think someone may have advised him not to or it maybe face to face convos. I thought he was pretty open and helpful and details just I couldnt get meat of matter lacking the tecnicals on my end.

I emailed Wade about my convo and will be posting his the convo once he replies.

MODS - please change my topic subject to \"Astrix\'s PE journey (PMMA/Chem PE etc)\" cause this is beyond PMMA and beyond 1st round now. And since Im goin with CHEM PE next I think this thread will have a long storyline to come on it cause Im not giving up on PMMA after achieving desired length and Girth gains from chem pe. He said should target Girth gains after length as Girth will stop the potential length gains.

On another note, I was with my new girl with whom I had performance anxiety and she really enjoyed my size, kept saying how deep though I think she meant how much shes feeling it, I pumped up before going in and she was quite tight anyway... and surprisingly and Im so proud of it I lasted like forever, I did pop a cialisis and I had like good 40-60 min sessions x 3 within 5-6 hours. I was ready to go for 4th even but she was sore and I had to go for work too

So this was my full first test drive... ah yeah I added the story about how I couldnt find the right fitting condoms cause of my thickness and she grabbed my Dick and said yeah of course you cant with this Dick. I must confess, I love hearing this shit.. such an ego boost \"Oh so deep\" \"oh im addicted to your Dick\" \"oh your an amazing lover\"..... hahah ok I use to get this shit before but.... not with a pure Dick show i think... she didnt let me go down on her this and just wanted the Dick over and over again. and yeah cialiss beats viagra anytime and works well on me. though im not gona make this a regular. this girl is mid-frame so technically shes not the tighest ever but has only been with two guys who i guess werent that big. after tomorrow im meeting my ex whom im not exactly ex with yet and shes tiny girl at 5\'6, 47kgs, i bought her a pair of implants 495ccs so shes got a gorgeous rack and shes tight AF so im expecting to cause some serious damage.

So Im in Day 3, no porn no jerk, but mind you when i was pumping i would arouse myself to the point of cumming and on two times i like almost cum but i stopped it with that muscle prosttate i think its called so didnt release cum fully and that was really cool cause i stayed hard after but had like a mini orgasm and didnt sperm cum or just a bit, so im really feeling my control cumming back these last 3 sessions were like my old roman style days. i dont know if its the cuttingout of porn and jerk thats had such an immmediate effect.

Wow thats a mouthful in one message.

First, ill say I have the utmost respect for Dr.C/wade. They are straight forward, honest, no nonsense people. This is no car sales shop, its a genuine practice of people who are not only the best at what they do but also care about their work and their clients.

If you have any wishes to do PMMA, from first hand experience I will say look no further - DR. C / TJ + his team is OUTSTANDING, 5 stars.

Now here is my convo with Wade about Dr. A, and CHEM PE etc.

My email:


I got in touch with Dr. Adams in Toronto today as I\'d read up about his chem PE lengthening technique which apparently some people have spoken positively about. Seems it add girth too but he said mainly if you want length then that should be first focus. I told him I\'d done PMMA and he said whether I knew that it can cause ED cause apparently it thickens the penis and makes it difficult for blood supply etc and better to have growth hormone and other stuff. I hadnt told him where etc. Anyway told him I was going to get second round done and wanted to come to him for his tech after that he said that even first round will make the lengthening tougher cause of collagen and scar tissue etc and that penis becomes tougher, the fibers etc so limits lengthening gains etc. He did say that if I wanted further girth gains through PMMA then I should at least postpone it until Ive hit my length target. Also suggested limited use of extenders, hangers for various technical reasons he was explaining that I cant repeat/re-explain cause I didnt understand the specifics/details. He said 30min on and 2 hours off with 60-90 sec manual extension every 15 mins is way better to maximize lenghtening gains. From the forum, I understand that you were planning to visit him so my questions are:1. What was your findings about Dr. Adams/technique, if any at all2. What do you have to say about his concerns about PMMA and ED etc. Just want to get your thoughts. Whether I get any length gains through his tech or not I know I do want my penis thicker. Ive been pumping and I manage to hit around 6.5 for MSEG, and I know that is the size I like, ideally maybe Id go as far as 7.0 if that were possible with subsequent rounds etc. So wait for your feedback, after which I will see if I will request Diana to postpone my appointment for time being while I experiment with Dr. Adam\'s length technique.

Reply:

- I was not able to see Dr. Adams at the time, and last I heard, he was only taking local patients. - You need to follow Dr. Adams protocol, and since he is the physician providing the service, and we do not know the specifics of his treatment. - You will form fibrosis with each treatment of PMMA, and the amount is different with each patient. It is also dependent on the concentrations used. 30% was uses for you, and that would bring about the highest amount of fibrosis. If you were stretching and pumping after your treatment, this should have been minimized. I hope this helps, let me know what you plan to do,

My reply:
Hello Wade, Ill postpone my 2nd round visit until Ive seen the outcome of what Dr. A\'s lengthening can do. So maybe 6 months. And if I keep growing ideally would cross 8-8.5 and come back for a solid thickening second and third rounds of PMMA. I am so happy with the results of the first round. And I get solid errections and the dick is super natural looking, very well distribution, very well set. This was the best thing Ive done for myself, worth every $. I will keep you posted on how Dr. A\'s process goes and re-book next time I am coming. Can you please inform Diana of the postponement of May 03 appointment until further notice. Thanks

His reply:

Sounds good! I will look forward to hearing of your journey with Dr. Adams. Best of Luck!! Keep us posted,

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For guys who want to learn more about Chem PE this thread is good:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/che...pe+dr+adams&trail=75

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Im going to do Dr. A for length and girth gains and see how far I can go. I recall Dr. A was saying something about putting growth hormoes etc. Also he said PMMA causes ED issues in long run, cause creates scar tissue etc i dont know will have longer talk when i see him in person and report back.

I have had amazing result from Dr. C PMMA and with the stretching and pumping I honestly feel Ive got a very natural looking and feeling dick. I hope I can go far with Dr. A and bang a solid girther with Dr. C once Im all said and done with Dr. A\'s technique.

Guys, this journey has just started so a lot more to come, hopefully as good and happy updates

Id say if you have the length you want, and want a quick thickner... PMMA with the proper after care is perfect. Im SO HAPPY with my thickness right now, ofc I want a lot more.

Didnt pump last 5 days and have not worn the extender either as was traveling and the measurements are approx as mentioned in signature without pump. MSEG nears 5.9-6.0 without pump and after pump was up to 6.2 but didnt go as far as 6.4. So I guess regular pumping is a good thing for Girth size.

Thanks for sharing your progress. Hope things go well with your gains and also would love to know more about Dr.A and his procedure and if it is in fact fruitful.

I think Dr. A\'s process is a more traditional PE type wherein results will come with time whereas PMMA is immediate. Gents, I would like to state here that the purpose of getting my Dick thickened was mainly to feel good about myself and also be more pleasing to the women I fuck. I am very much a whoremonger as I travel a lot and as of late since my PMMA round 1 (Mar 08) I have been with around 5 women with first starting mainly about 10 days in being my wife, then a new girl I recently met who Im sort of seeing now, then an ex, and today 2 more (pros). So Im in Bahrain right now and how things work here is your check into a hotel and girls of all nationalities come to your room, like sex service... and they leave you their names and call number. Anyway, Ive been with two as of yet (both european), one was your typical girl next door type total cutie long brunette hair and second was your kind of dolled up botox lips type short hair. And both of them havent been on the job long but I think long enough to comment that my Dick was big. The second said she wasnt able to walk after we were done. I also found out that Im the hot shit and theres my presence has spread like wild fire across the girls. I guess most of the guys they have to do for work probably arent fit or fun or reasonably good looking and i guess with standard sizes. So embarassingly when a bunch of girls were in my room i was complaining about that there wasnt hot water in the shower so this polish girl goes to turn it on for me and then calls me and says see its hot now, and then Whats that? It was my fucking Hydropump I put out and was pumping my Dick up with to max and I left it there. SOOO I just came back into the room with like 4 other girls sitting and I said well, look at my Dick pulled down my shorts, I said its fat but I want it longer so someone told me to use this pump The girls ALL OF EM say that listen its not about the size its about how you use it and like i guess she pointed with her finger that even a micro penis can do wonders I guess she meant make a girl orgasm. But having said that... women who walked to my room would flirt and play a little, some would kiss and few of them... were like attack dogs on me (this Armenian one big tits and ass i will be taking her later or tomorrow)... they feel my Dick up and make comments like oh wow etc...

Guys.... Im going with Dr. A and ill report back on that but ive got a few messages with some people who are apprehensive about Dr. C and PMMA. BROS, as much as I hate having competition out there, I was a baller before but now I am a baller with a thick Dick.... PMMA rules.... Dr. C did his job, Wade did his, I did mine and I have a fuckin penis that doesnt fit into XXL 56mm condoms and girls give comments like \'hell yeah thats why\'.... these girls bring their normal condoms (the two who i had didnt check my Dick out before) and when they saw they just threw it away.

Oh yeah... they maybe pros, but I got their contacts, we\'re FB/Insta friends and they are looking forward to me flying them out somewhere with me for our \'relax\' time together. And honestly, I love fuckin pros cause not only do they KNOW how to fuck but when they want you they fuck you like theres no tomorrow and take out all their pent up frustration.

my new girl im seeing she knows im married but she said shes addicted to how i fuck her and my BIG Dick. Oh those words... I never knew I would hear them. To reconclude, while you wait on my updates of Dr. A go do yourself a favor and get PMMA Round 1 with Dr. C! Yes, it will change your life...

He has 27 patents to his name, and is employed by multiple medical research companies. I am all for sharing your opinions and insights, but any criticism that seems to go to such extremes that result in doctors being perceived as incompetent or lunatic should be at least supported by some proof. Reputation is extremely important in this field, I am pretty sure that thanks to this board Dr. Elist has lost at least 50 potential patients.Please also take into consideration that what Dr. A has described in his patents currently has no scientific backing, using medicine used for erectile dysfunction and treatment of Peyronie disease for penis enlargement can lead to losing your medical license and livelihood due to malpractice.

rifflair wrote: He has 27 patents to his name, and is employed by multiple medical research companies. I am all for sharing your opinions and insights, but any criticism that seems to go to such extremes that result in doctors being perceived as incompetent or lunatic should be at least supported by some proof. Reputation is extremely important in this field, I am pretty sure that thanks to this board Dr. Elist has lost at least 50 potential patients.Please also take into consideration that what Dr. A has described in his patents currently has no scientific backing, using medicine used for erectile dysfunction and treatment of Peyronie disease for penis enlargement can lead to losing your medical license and livelihood due to malpractice.

Why would you bring up Dr Elist as if his name has been unjustly slandered on this site? Have you actually read the experiences that members on this board have experience with Elist? Interesting that you\'ve been a member since last September and this is your first post. Can you explain that?

jimmy_the _blade wrote: Why would you bring up Dr Elist as if his name has been unjustly slandered on this site? Have you actually read the experiences that members on this board have experience with Elist? Interesting that you\'ve been a member since last September and this is your first post. Can you explain that?

Jim, this dudes post is very weird. I havent said jack on Dr. E except in my signature that I was considering but decided not to go with him. I havent said a word more or less about Dr. E and my whole thread is about PMMA and CHEM PE etc so why the fuck is this guy leaving this bs about Dr. E on my thread is beyond me.

And correctly noted that after over a year of being registered the guy\'s first post is about defending Dr. E. I have no background to comment on Dr. E only my decision regarding his technique.

I suggest the mods take a look into this guy, seems like a fake to me.

As for Dr. A\'s PE, all I can say is that I want to see what that is all about and whether I can get length gains from that as otherwise Im ready to go for Round 2 of PMMA. Conceptually speaking any other form of surgery in my opinion with ligament cuts, insertion of foreign objects etc from sound of it look like higher risk even if they delivered all that is promised and based on others reviews seem not to be so good at delivering what they promise and the potential downside sounds huge. Theres a risk in everything, but some risks are worth embracing and others not, depends on your appetitete.

\" any criticism that seems to go to such extremes that result in doctors being perceived as incompetent or lunatic should be at least supported by some proof. Reputation is extremely important in this field, I am pretty sure that thanks to this board Dr. Elist has lost at least 50 potential patients.\"
I\'d say the fact that almost everyone on here that has had the Elist implant has had to have it removed and the fact that almost every person on here who has been to Elist has been with left with life changing complications and psychological trauma is most definatly \"incompetent\" and \"lunatic\".

rifflair wrote: I am pretty sure that thanks to this board Dr. Elist has lost at least 50 potential patients.

You said that like it\'s a bad thing! I hope we\'ve saved a lot more than 50 men from becoming victims of Dr Elist.

rifflair wrote: He has 27 patents to his name, and is employed by multiple medical research companies. I am all for sharing your opinions and insights, but any criticism that seems to go to such extremes that result in doctors being perceived as incompetent or lunatic should be at least supported by some proof. Reputation is extremely important in this field, I am pretty sure that thanks to this board Dr. Elist has lost at least 50 potential patients.Please also take into consideration that what Dr. A has described in his patents currently has no scientific backing, using medicine used for erectile dysfunction and treatment of Peyronie disease for penis enlargement can lead to losing your medical license and livelihood due to malpractice.

I certainly hope he has lost more than 50 patients due to this board. All we are doing is relaying our personal experiences, people have read these experiences and made personal choices.. Is that against the rules on the Internet?
And to say \'slander\' suggests that what we are saying is not true. Our stories are not some mass conspiracy to discredit Dr. Elist and reduce the number of implant recipients (though that is a positive side effect IMO)
And it\'s ironic that in the same post you waste your energy defending Dr. Elist and suggest \'slander\' you suggest that \"Dr. A\" may be guilty of \'malpractice\'? Wouldn\'t that constitute \'slander\'?
If you really want to know about Dr. Elist, why don\'t you schedule a visit with local urologists in the Los Angeles area (especially the renowned Urologist/ plastic surgeon doctor Dr. Alter). A great deal of their/his practice is cleaning up Dr. Elist\'s implant horrors. Now that wouldn\'t be slander, would it?
Please respond to my post.

Rek, appreciate your logical input,

& People, whoever any further wants to discuss various Drs etc should take that to another thread.... this is my thread about my journey. Thanks