TOPIC: My PMMA venture -- good, bad and the ugly

The surgery itself isn\'t bad, as you\'ll be given and anesthetic and then suddenly you\'ll wake up and it will all be done. As I said, I\'ve been degloved 3 times. But it\'s a frustrating recovery, as it means you\'ll be swollen, possibly retracted and have stitches all round the top of your shaft, which means pain when you get night time erections. It means a month without any sexual activity and your penis being generally sore for a while. Personally I hate having Sutures in that area and really believe it\'s effected the sensitivity in my penis. Also, I find that it takes me a week or so to get over the anesthetic. I tend to feel quite weak and lethargic for that week.

I could just be a bad patient and can only relay my personal experience, but for me personally, I don\'t think it\'s worth all that, just to remove a lump. I\'d much rather have a local anesthetic and an incision on the shaft, even if it does mean a small visible scar. But please don\'t be stressed over this. Removing the lump should be pretty straightforward and your recovery should be not much different to a Circumcision and thousands of guys get those each year. All I\'m saying is that it seems like a far too aggressive approach to correct a relatively small problem.

Hey Hoddle

It does seem a little aggressive .. but I asked the doctor why do it this way, and he said he was worried about cutting through the thin skin on the penis... and even though this might be more aggressive hes more confident that this is the best move for the long term.

Dark

Hey Drakstaff....We all wish you the best! All will be well.....

@ darkstaff,

No what I ment clumping of PMMA beads ---> more dense localized new collagen formation ---> a lump, the reason for that is :- The brazilian PMMA products e.g. Metacrill contain a weak carrier (Methylecellulose) which cannot prevent clumping of the PMMA beads in the other hand Artecoll or Artefill contains bovine collagen as a carrier (+Tween-80) which is strong enough to prevent or almost reduce clumping of the beads.

Procedure done... I\'m attached to a drainage bag/bulb ... and been told to stay horizontal for 48 hours while the penis heals... I\'m completely wrapped, so I can\'t see anything... the wrap is definitely \"thin\" ... so most likely all my gains are gone... but I really don\'t care at this point... I just care that I feel good and that I\'m on the road to recovery.

I\'ll post more pics later... right now its just a wrapped penis with tubes coming out of it.

Dark

Glad to hear you are okay.

When I had my fat removed, which is essentially the same procedure you just had, I actually gained size. When I took the bandages off it was tiny, but in the coming weeks, scar tissue formed and gave me some Girth.

Make sure the wrap isn\'t so tight that it cuts of blood supply. I had Necrosis and I think that was the reason.

Ya the wrap is tight, but not so tight I can\'t urinate out of it...

Seems like a lot of stuff going on down there, with tubes and whatnot... I see Singh tomorrow at 8:45am, so I\'m going to leave it alone until then.

The feeling around the base of the shaft is actually better than before the procedure.... weird... maybe the lowered pressure due to the lump is the reason.. either way, I\'m very happy at this time with the procedure, and it feels like a load off my mind.

If I do go ahead with any PE in the future, it will be something more like a dermal graph.

Funny note however... when I went to see Singh on the Thursday before the operation, I met with Singh\'s nurse beforehand, and she was telling me that there were other patients ... Alloderm patients that were so young and already having problems... she metioned that one had said \"why did I do this to myself!\" ...

I can only picture what a 23 yr old with alloderm complications is thinking or dealing with.

What would be the worst alloderm complication? ... total rejection + Removal? would it be comparable to a Elist Removal?

Anyways, I\'ll post some pics later, I\'m enjoying my day off too much playing SimCity5

darkstaff wrote: Ya the wrap is tight, but not so tight I can\'t urinate out of it...

Seems like a lot of stuff going on down there, with tubes and whatnot... I see Singh tomorrow at 8:45am, so I\'m going to leave it alone until then.

The feeling around the base of the shaft is actually better than before the procedure.... weird... maybe the lowered pressure due to the lump is the reason.. either way, I\'m very happy at this time with the procedure, and it feels like a load off my mind.

If I do go ahead with any PE in the future, it will be something more like a dermal graph.

Funny note however... when I went to see Singh on the Thursday before the operation, I met with Singh\'s nurse beforehand, and she was telling me that there were other patients ... Alloderm patients that were so young and already having problems... she metioned that one had said \"why did I do this to myself!\" ...

I can only picture what a 23 yr old with alloderm complications is thinking or dealing with.

What would be the worst alloderm complication? ... total rejection + removal? would it be comparable to a Elist removal?

Anyways, I\'ll post some pics later, I\'m enjoying my day off too much playing SimCity5

Trust me, you are about the worst candidate for a dermal graft or alloderm there is.

I think this should signify your retirement from PE.

If a granuloma stressed you this much, I\'d be frightened to see how you\'d react to some of the problems we\'ve seen with dermal grafts. There was a guy who lost his entire pubic bone due to a dermal graft. The other day I posted some photos of a dermal graft gone wrong here:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/DR....geryinfo.com-6234514

In the grand scheme of PE surgery complications, your problems were minor believe me.

All the graft procedures suffer from the same problems, which is that the penis is a dynamic organ and they are easy for infections to harvest under. As long as graft materials have the potential to shrink and become fibrotic (see Justave and PMMApossibly), then they wont be suitable for PE. They also have a history a compromising blood supply and causing necrosis (see Trying and Don3). You stressed out enough over a lump and swelling, imagine what you\'d do if your penis skin turned black and started to die!

Just take it easy, relax and let your self heal. Don\'t even think about any further procedures.

Solid advice hoddle10. You are in my prayers darkstaff. Good luck brother.

Ya -- you guys are right.

I\'m done.

The bump by the way wasn\'t was the problem ... I think your over simplifying my situation.

I had serious pain. Base of the penis and in the urethral. (read the 1st post on this thread)

I think part of it might be related to my stomach issues... H.pylori and the Hyatial Hernia...

The pain was real though ... and the constant inflamation was definitely part of it.

Trust me, I didn\'t want to remove the Girth.

But you are right ... like Fran_Berlin ... I wasted a immense amount of emotional and physical energy for not much in return. (At first the Girth was nice, but it didn\'t last long)


This is going to be the end of PE and me ... I\'m going to leave my junk alone.

Dark

darkstaff wrote: Ya -- you guys are right.

I\'m done.

The bump by the way wasn\'t was the problem ... I think your over simplifying my situation.

I had serious pain. Base of the penis and in the urethral. (read the 1st post on this thread)

I think part of it might be related to my stomach issues... H.pylori and the Hyatial Hernia...

The pain was real though ... and the constant inflamation was definitely part of it.

Trust me, I didn\'t want to remove the girth.

But you are right ... like Fran_Berlin ... I wasted a immense amount of emotional and physical energy for not much in return. (At first the girth was nice, but it didn\'t last long)


This is going to be the end of PE and me ... I\'m going to leave my junk alone.

Dark

I\'m not saying this for argument sake, as Supa and Mikehok can both back me up here as I exchanged PM\'s and phone calls with them about it. 3 weeks ago I found a lump on my testicle. Prior to finding it I had no pain or discomfort at all. But after reading about symptoms of testicular cancer on the internet I started to feel an ache. I tried to see my GP, but had to wait a week. Over the course of that week I grew more and more worried to the point that at night sometimes I became hysterical. The pain got worse and worse to the point I actually woke up from sleep due to it. It felt like I\'d been repeatedly kicked in my nuts. I was going out of my mind with worry to such an extent I struggled to breath at times. The pain was very real. In fact at times I\'d say I was in agony. Oddly at the time I had a pain in my hip, but I struggled to differentiate between that and the testicular pain. With hindsight, I\'m fairly sure my mind somehow connected the pain in my hip to my testicles, so when i felt pain in the hip, I thought it was coming from my testicles. Also I have costochondritis and I started to think that this was actually bone cancer that had spread from the testicles. I basically was suffering from a mishmash of problems and I related them all to one thing and got myself in a to terrible mental state and felt like I was drowning in anxiety. It was so similar to what you\'ve described in this thread.

However, when I finally did see my GP, he was sure it was a calcium deposit. Over the course of the next few days the pain went. I even asked my GP if he thought the pain was probably in my head and he said it wouldn\'t surprise him.

As I said, that isn\'t a story of convenience and I\'ve actually posted here before about how I think I\'m unsuitable for PMMA due to my ability to become hysterical and past experience with psychosomatic issues. And Supa and Mikehok will support my story.

Obviously the reason I\'m telling you this, is that even before you posted about your pain, I\'d already singled you out as another poster who has the potential to let things get on top of him. When I read about you walking along the street crying due to your issues, I thought to myself that this is a reason why I shouldn\'t get PMMA. I could see myself stressing out like that.

As soon as I read your pain issue\'s at the base and uretha I thought they sounded very odd and extremely unlikely to be related to a FBG. Looking at your photos there didn\'t seem to be any signs of redness etc. But I didn\'t once doubt your honesty though and was sure the pain was very real. Psychosomatic pain is real! But logic tells us that PMMA inflammation isn\'t going to make your penis feel like it\'s being pulled off. In the same way I\'m sure my hip pain was what I was really feeling in my testicles, it was probably the same for you with your stomach and penis. I\'m not saying the was no discomfort in your penis, but just not to the extent that you felt at the time.

Just read back through your own posts. You\'ve had problems, stomach problems, urethal pain, feeling as if your penis is going to be pulled off, you couldn\'t work, your GF told you to pull yourself together and you were walking along the street crying. You sound as if you\'ve had a mini breakdown. I don\'t think it\'s obnoxious or unsympathetic to suggest that the pain was mental, as anyone suffering such mental duress is likely to start experiencing symptoms that aren\'t necessarily \"real.\" People never take kindly to the suggestion and I hope you don\'t take it the wrong way, but I think most people do think the same as me to be honest. The thing with psychosomatic pain is that no matter what the evidence to to contrary, most people are very reluctant to even consider it.

I expect I might have pissed you off writing that. I apologize in advance, but I\'m sure if you read back over all your posts objectively, you\'ll see why it does seem like you might have got carried away due to the mental trauma you\'ve experienced.

Agreed ... there is a very very real mental connection with ailments.

I also had other medical issues going on that I think could be related -- very much like your hip.

It\'s weird how that works ...

I think my situation was also \"different\" in the sense that I had doctors here in the United States stunned when I told them what I had done... so the feeling of being somewhat alone amplified the fear. (BTW, without this board I don\'t know what I would have done)

I agree with you on all counts Hoodle... and my PE plans are finished

Dark

What a well written and thoughtful post Hoddle. I\'ve had similar thoughts but didn\'t know how to express them without coming off poorly, I\'m glad you found the appropriate wording. As I followed Darkstaff\'s thread as I was approaching my procedure date in mid Feb I too questioned if the pain was caused by mental anguish. I tried to use this to force myself not to dwell on potential negative thoughts, worries and \'what ifs\'. I suggest the same to anyone else who gets the procedure.

Hope you have a speedy recovery Darkstaff!

Thanks Carl

Yes, it was a well written post Hoodle... the mental aspects of PE can not be ignored.

I did also have the AFIB attacks ... 4 of them starting in November... that got my mind rolling.

What was weird about the AFIB\'s I was having was they were not converting to normal rythmn regardless of how much cardizem they were giving me... so, it appears that Vagaly induced AFIB (caused by your vagal nerve being stimulated by something like a irritation inside the esophagus doesn\'t respond to normal treatments... so I was in AFIB for over 20 hours during the first bout ... this _really_ got my mind going.. I was thinking \"Oh No! a piece of PMMA has made its way to my !!\" ...

Anywho, I\'m so happy they were related to my Stomach ... but back then, I got more and more worried about it perhaps being something \"I Did\" .... e.g. the PMMA... it was a nightmare... a true nightmare experience.

I\'m glad both situations are finally being fixed... I can\'t tell you how much better I am today than I was even a month ago.

Glad to be on the mend! ... I\'ll post some pics of my penis after I get these bandages off.

Dark

Hey dakrstaff! My apologies that I haven\'t been keepin up! Specifically stopped by tonight in my free time to see you how you were doin! Although I am super busy I always kept you in my thoughts and prayers. Words cant express how glad I am that you are okay and well on your way to recovery! Cheers bro!