TOPIC: HA injectable Phalloplasty - for safety

Hi guys

I am the friend reklaw mentioned before
This is my first post on the forum and I wanted to have a complete view on the results before posting them but since the topic is hot I will already start. I apologise in advance for the typing mistaKes but I am writing from my phone.

To set the context I am genuinly thin so maybe my expectation are more manageable than some members that already have average to big sizes here. For it is about getting to what I consider adequate, not being the king of the restroom or have any woman I fuck not able to walk for a week.

Regarding the procedure and the doc (lets mention that he has double specialisation Urologist and esthetic surgery which I believe is relevant information) he performes :

~ scaffold with double matrice from porcine origine for 5000€. I did not feel confortable with this because of the low price and he use of double layer which is likely to me to increase the risk.

~free fat transfer

~ HA with macrolane 1000€ (not £) the session. I choose thisas a first step into the PE world for obvious reasons such low risk but also the approache I explained me. He normally only inject by 7 ml and would not inject more than 10 ml (touch up included at least in my case..). This is the low price and the conveniency ( I currently live in madrid) that convinced me to give it a shot eventhought macrolane is known here to yield poor results, if the key lies in the step by step and slow building approach I believe this could be VERY interesting for the ones looking a safe, affordable (Voluma and others HA in the uk actually vey expensive, my guy could doit but he says it is not worth it withthe price) and risk free modest result.

I did first a 7ml injection two weeks ago, I had some slight evenness but that were actuallyfollowing my penis natural shape and due to bruising and initial inflamation as well. Anyway I freakout at the beginning as probably every PE newbie but then it went down and I almost got frustrated because feelt like I lost volume. I went for a touch up the week after to inject a bit more at the base and on the right side and endedup with 10 ml in total (no overcharged for the touch up) he told me that now he would not inject more and that in a month or two when well settled I can come back if I want more.

Regarding the increase I think.it is reasonable to talk about about 0,6 0,7 flacid (hard to.compare because they are several level of flacidness ..) it is notthe most important but it actually feels good if you are a Grower, and 0,5 Erect which is not \"huge\" but definitely noticeable by me.

I showed it to two girls I am used to have sex with and one girl that did not knew my penis before.
None of said it looked weird
The first did not know my penis so well and did not notice I did something until I told her, she got it in her mouth as well and did not think anything.
The second acknoledge it was thicker than before.
And the third one does not know about the procedure but said I had a cute and clean penis (would have preferred an adjectif like impressive or freaklishy big but at least she did not used word like \"weird\")

The real test will be when I actually have sex with it and we will know if the product works or not during intercourse I guess that will happen tonight or over the weekend I will let you know (I don t think they would feel a big difference but at the end it also very mental thing)

If it works well.maybe I.wait a bit more and get to 15 or 20 ml then I will reach the average of 5\" and this is enough to me.

Sorry for writing such a long post about a procedure like macrolane but I really think it could be usefull for many member if it actually works when used properly this is why I decided to test it with this approach in mind.

Please find attached a couple of pictures. You can see that the difference is not huge but if you look at the border of the glan VS the shaft you can probably see it

1Before
2before
3 current
4current
5current flacid

Thanks for the report. I think it looks really natural.


Do you know if your Dr speaks English?

I do not know,iwould guess he does if he is a doc with two specialization but this is spain.. if someone wants to give it a try I am willing to helpin madrid

mat744 wrote: I do not know,iwould guess he does if he is a doc with two specialization but this is spain.. if someone wants to give it a try I am willing to helpin madrid

For just €1000 it could be worth the risk. It would be great to have a native speaker to assist me!

hoddle10 wrote: I\'ve never seen a good result with Macrolane, but having said that, I\'ve only seen it injected in large amounts. Maybe small amounts produce more acceptable results. But I also think skin compliancy is key. In recent weeks I\'ve seen 4 HA results in person and they were all injected by the same guy with the same product. Yet the results varied greatly. Apparently on the guy who had the best result, the HA literally seemed to melt into his own tissue as soon as it was injected. Some people just seem to be more anatomically suited to fillers than others. We have to keep in mind there are guys who have FFT and it feels firm, is smooth and looks totally natural. Yet someone else can go to the same Dr, have the same procedure and end up with a lumpy, soft mess.

hey hoddle can i interrogate you a sec? thusly:

1. what was the product?
2. when you say results varied greatly ... on a scale of 1 to 100 could you rate them all? or maybe if you cant be bothered with that, were any or all of them, despite not being perfect, acceptable? i.e. were the patients happy nonetheless, was there noticeable gain, would you have been happy with the results?
3. i think question 2 morphed into like five more questions so i\'ll leave it there. 

@mat744: thanks for the report. and it\'s good that it\'s a long report, the longer the report the better, definitely. i can definitely notice a difference in heft! when you say after round one that you felt you lost volume, do you think you did or do you think it was frustration and some kind of trick of the eye?

oh and btw, if you can be bothered, why not start a progress report. so we can bother you with questions for the rest of your life. LOL!

number22 wrote:
hey hoddle can i interrogate you a sec? thusly:

1. what was the product?
2. when you say results varied greatly ... on a scale of 1 to 100 could you rate them all? or maybe if you cant be bothered with that, were any or all of them, despite not being perfect, acceptable? i.e. were the patients happy nonetheless, was there noticeable gain, would you have been happy with the results?
3. i think question 2 morphed into like five more questions so i\'ll leave it there. 

Teosyal. I also saw some Voluma, Belotero and Macrolane.

One was excellent, one good and two weren\'t happy.

At the end of the day, results are going to be unpredictable whatever the product. For years guys have been on these forums reading as much as possible to try and get an idea of what to expect, but ultimately no two penises are the same and so much of the final result is down to individual anatomy. Obviously the Dr has to use good technique and the patient has to be confident in the filler or graft material of choice. But as we\'ve seen time and time again, 2 guys can go to the same dr on the same day and the same procedure, yet get totally different results. Hence a conservative approach is always the wisest.

very interesting that tbh.

i want you please clarify that you saw four penises with a different HA in each (ie teosyal; voluma; belotero and macrolane). or did you see four penises with teosyal in (and these were the varied results you talked about) and also three more penises with voluma, belotero and macrolane in respectively?

assuming it\'s the first one, can you remember which filler was for which outcome, ie which filler for excellent, which filler for good, \" not happy, \" not happy? i acknowledge totally the point about different anatomys producing different results (even though i dont want to lol!), but i thought i\'d ask for the complete breakdown anyway?

No they didn\'t each have a different HA. I saw 4 with Teosyal and they each felt different.

I also saw a guy who had several different HA products and one guy who had Voluma at the top and Teosyal at the bottom.

alright i see, nice one. 

did they have the same amount injected? 

 i;m still in denial arent i? 

I read an article somewhere i think from south korea that macrolane is not good product and it has more chances to cause lumps and uneven results i know a doctor that offered Girth enhancement via macrolane with only 1250$ per session its really low price but after i checked a little bit i saw that macrolane is a shitty product and we should stay out off it i heard that voluma ultra has some fantastic results... Right now im considering dr jayson qates in australia .. Saving some $$$$

@ number22 : I believe the decrease in size was mainly due to the reduction of the inflamation as well as a lump on the left side thar I had to massage to even out (I did not mention that but you have to massage it with macrolane ) I guess once the lump soften and spreaded It felt like the difference was less significant ... also I guess i got a bit used to it...


By the way I just showed it to a fourth girl who wanked it and she did not mention anything about it weird looking neither seemed yto think about it

Yesterday I had sex with a ffriend and she said that if it feels different in the hand but could s notsay if it was much different in the sex as she already liked it before .. I don t know if this beause the difference is minor or because the product moves around during intercourse (although with a condom I would assume this should not happen too much) I.need to do more test and look at it more carefully to have an idea ..

just to give a heads up here voluma has a weird marketing strategy to make extra money, allergen markets with voluma like this. they tell physicians to inject the site(usually a deeper fill, rather than a shallow fill) and then 2 months later they want the client to come back and fill the same site and top it off. now the more filler u inject is naturally going to last longer and on top of that if u put more in it will last even longer. how allergen gets the 2 year guarantee with voluma is coming back a second time to fill the same spot but in our practice we don\'t c much difference between voluma and juvaderm. there is a molecular difference between the 2 but nothing substantial, very negligible.

voluma is almost double the price of juvaderm per same amount=more money for allergen....

Hi aleksek ,

Normally I think you should massage a bit the 3 first days to make sure it evenout on the shaft and does not form lumps. Basically HA or at least macrolane has a natural tendancy to aglomerate, this is why you should not inject big qty and you should massage it the first days when it s still possible to move it a bit. To be clear this is not like it s moving from one part of the penis to another but if you see it if starting to form a ball or an accumulation of gel at some place you just breaks it with your finger and massage it to be sure it is as even as possible and does not group.

In my case I massaged a lot the 2 first day but also because I was worried and obsessed about my D (not surprising on this forum) and thought something was wrong because the inflamation and the bruising made it look worst than it actually was. But it s not like you HAVE to massage and lookat it all day long .. even if many, like me, will probably do ..

I recomend to massage Erect of course although it is good to do some flacid when you go to te bathroom.

After sex or masturbation the HA did not moved from where it was. Erect It is very firm and hard on the side of the shaft and less on the top maybe because this is were I was lacking the most Girth (my shaft was more oval than round\" and because a bit less is injected there making it less \"in tension\" under the skin when it gets Erect.

If I had to sumarize my result I would not call it \"perfect\" as there are some details I would change but it is definetely acceptable for me and also for the cost and the risk. For example I think this is not optimal to inject to close of the gland especially if you are not circumsized as the producd can get into the loose skin before the prepuce which can looks a bit weird if you look at it I a certain way and is also a waste to me as this product does not really get hard during Erection. Also it is not 100% symetrical when Erect but due to the conservative amount of product it does not look unatural to the stranger eyes (my penis was not tottaly symetrical to start with). If you want something 100% symetrical scaffolds likely the only way to go However those small flaws are things that I can easily live with and also that I can correct the next time, I just need to ask him to inject more on the first 4/5 of the shaft the next time. After some rounds I think he and me will be able to have the optimal volume and way to inject it i

@ kanonino : I saw you wrote something about being stingy and use inferior products potentially dangerous. This is not the case here... macrolane might at worst not be suitable for penis use but is not more dangerous than any other HA filler (there is always a risk though.. ). You need to understand that price IS actually something to take into acount for many poeple especially if we are talking about a temporary procedure. Getting voluma in Androfill london would cost 4 times more (whitout trip expenses but this is only relevant for me as I don t live there) and get it in australia cost even more I don t see how you can plan to get it done there If you live in europe (but maybe you live there)

My opinion is that if done carefully and conservatively macrolane appear to be an acceptable and sustainable option in the long terme, we might be missing a great procedure without giving it an actual shot and whithout having concrete results about it. I suspect doctors to have injected big volumes ( 20 ml, 30 ml) in the past to achieve simillar resulst as FFT which can only lead to a bad result with this product. Then they might have switched to juvederm and other as they are easier to use in big qty and maybe they indeed give better and more consistant results.. but they are also much more expensive for the patient.

Anyway I am ready to spend some1000€ or 2000€ euros to figure this out and It would be great if some other poeples to do the same before getting an invasive procedure as the more results we get on HA the better it will be.

I probably get a second round in a couple of months if it gives a consequent (close to 1 \"), homegeneous and firm Erect gain I will definitely recomend this procedure as having te best price/quality/risk balance