TOPIC: Dr Elist...

I\'ve also got to say i find you length claims extremely hard to believe. I\'ve seen videos of Dr Elist putting the implant in and he cuts it to a length similar to someone\'s Erection. I can\'t see how the implant itself can grow, so how can the actual penis get longer? If the implant is 6\" long and the penis is 6\" long, what happens if the real penis was to actually grow by an Inch\"? I know Elist says he puts more implant in to accomodate length gains, but we can see from the video of him doing the surgery that this isn\'t true and no Dr would ever contamplate putting the silicone strips deep under the pubic bone, so he couldn\'t do that anyway. Also the capsule formed around the implant would make length gains incredibly tough, hence most who have the implant removed struggle to regaint he length they lose. Scar tissue just isn\'t very pliable, ask anyone who has had Peyronies desease.

Those who gain using extenders need to increase the length of rods and tension over time. It\'s advised to start with the rods at a length of 4 cm less the stretched Flaccid. Yet surely that is a similar length to which the implant would make a guy, only without the tension of springs. Guys wearing extenders are only suppossed to start at such minimal tension to get used to wearing it, in the coming weeks the tension and length of rods is greatly increased. I can\'t see how the tension would be sufficient to enduse growth. The weight of the implant can\'t be anywhere near enough to cause length gains that way either. I\'m sorry but the whole idea of gaining length by simply having the implant inserted just isn\'t believable. Basically what you are claiming is that by inserting a pliable silicone implant, that weighs very little and has less length than one\'s Flaccid stretched length, yet is pliable and we know encourages scar tissue to build up. It makes no sense at all. Do you have measured before and and after photos?

Megadong

Do you have an Erect pic with a tape measure? May just be the pic but it doesn\'t appear to be soda can size. Please don\'t be offended. Just would like more perspective and clarity.

Kind Regards,
M7x6+

nueknob, my wife stuck with me, but it definitely but a strain on the relationship. After my implant was removed, my Dick was small, short and thin. I felt like a child trying to have sex with a grown up. It sucked. After a year, I found Dr Camacho who removed the scar tissue holding back my length. I got all my length back. The Only reason I went with Camacho was because it was more economical. Alter was charging close to 7000.00. Anyways, my outcome was a success. The implant sucked, so I had it removed. I just wanted to be normal again.

Rondo,

You said you had alloderm? what happened? Did it absorb?

Mega,

Do you have any photos? I\'d love to see the result! Congratulations on you enormity.

That is great. Am glad for you. Am I correct to assume that Elist also cut your ligaments once (or twice?) before inserting the implant? Or that growth in length came only as result of the weight of the implant?


I wonder why some patients do so good while others do so bad. I wonder if Elist himself has been doing any research of his own, to improve his methods/surgery.

*Warning* If a surgeon has to cut the suspensory ligaments more than once, he did it wrong the first time. That\'s akin to a dentist only partially pulling a tooth. The DDS and I would have been exchanging words (with my hand on his nut sack).

What is a DDS, Miracle7? Me non capisce...

Gentlemen- Please correct me (and forgive me) if I am wrong, but it appears as though the chess board has been set and the pawns, rooks and bishops are moving about..... how about they pulll down there pants? I confess I personally find it odd and unnerving to ask someone to \'show\' evidence of their results, and yet I\'ve learned through observation that several individuals advocate very strongly for/against a procedure and make extremely impressive/tragic claims- yet never provide evidence. I have spent several hours on the phone with \'advocates of Dr. E\'s procedures, only to find blinding holes in their stories I must first point out that I have not posted pics and may not. I\'ve had alloderm and am gettting PMMA. I\'ve done all sorts of manual PE, and don\'t \'blog\' about it. I\'ve had (hmmmm....) ennumerous sexual partners. No complaints. I\'m not a swinger and I\'m strictly hetero. I don\'t openly discuss these issues, but do rely on sites like these for anonymous feedback/info/testimony. I pursue lifelong health, both sexually and otherwise. That being said- I believe neither \'messageman\' nor \'megadong\' have posted pics attesting to their individual experience. (side note: messageman: loved your journal. You should publish somewhere. good read) I mean no offense to either of them as I have not posted photos either. I also am a listener... and perhaps a \'prodder\', but not a blogger. I implore either/both of you to show your \'results\' so the rest of us can learn and make better choices. Inform us. I only ask because of your individual advocacy of either side- you present as the opposing opinions of the Elist Dilemna which I\'m sure everyone has considered or is at least familiar with. there is also another \'Elist\' dichotomy regarding the testicular implant. I\'ve been chasing those threads for years (literally), and still don\'t know whom to believe. Help us gentlemen. You have my appreciation and respect- my observations are \'medical\' and not judgmental. Regards

Hi Rondo
Firstly, the reason I requested pictures from \"Megadong\" is because in his second post (dated) Oct. 19th), he offered to show pictures...He also said that he was going to tell his \"story\". I was hoping for a more thorough account, but then again, I realize we can all get busy (myself included). This is neither here not there though because I think there is the possibility that Megadong's claim of a successful implant may (in fact) be true. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and I\'m sure Dr. Elist does have his successes. I did take issue with his claim that the Elist success stories far outweigh the failures. Any member who was on the old MNS board and old PhalloBoards, and is now on the current PhalloBoards, is aware of the criminally poor track record (or at least particular \'horrific\' cases) of this implant. And you are indeed correct; I\'ve yet to post a picture of my penis on this website. But I\'m really not sure how posting a picture of my penis would strengthen (or weaken) my position as far as this particular thread goes. True, I am an advocate of PMMA, but a rather low key one. I had the procedure done in early august and actually waited two months before I even told the board. I got a relatively modest (compared to some other members) gain of half an Inch. The reason I have chosen not to wave the flag of PMMA too enthusiastically is because, although, I truly believe that PMMA may very well be the `magic bullet` we have been waiting for, I am aware of the fact that there may be some hidden dangers with PMMA that may come to light down the road. It will take years before we can be at all certain. Perhaps my position on this thread could be best characterized as `anti-implant`. I will absolutely admit that one of my agendas on PhalloBoards is to spread the truth about the dangers of the implant. This is not out of 'spite' for Doctor Elist, but rather to prevent others from suffering from the same fate as myself and others (many of them members on this site). I have also been very honest with the fact that I actually was able to regain my lost length (one of the only patients I know of) and retained about a ' Inch gain from the remaining capsule of the implant.?This relatively happy ending of mine, I believe, should in no way minimize the horrific (apparently permanent) outcomes of many other Elist patients. I have been very forthcoming with my story and that of the other Elist patients I have had contact with. I have to say that I am baffled by any guy considering the implant (over PMMA) after they've had access to any of the negative implant stories floating around the Internet. Admittedly, PMMA still has unknowns attached to it, but its track record has been exceptional thus far, and any complications are very manageable. On the other hand, the implant's complication rate is shockingly high'Yes, I realize this rate is based on anecdotal evidence, but that's because the only person with the actual stats (if he keeps them at all) is DR. Elist. And just as recently as last year (last time I checked) he was touting a laughable less than 1% complication rate. If I had the info about the possible complications of the implant that I do now, I would never have even considered it for a second. Lord only knows how many men have been permanently damaged from this procedure... Sorry to have digressed... Again, I'm not sure how showing a picture of my penis would give my argument anymore credibility. Are you skeptical of my claim that I had the implant, and then had it removed due to infection? Do you wish to see a picture of my penis damaged by the implant?. Or are you skeptical of my claims of penile enlargement over the years? If this is the case, then I don\'t see how it has any connection to my credibility in this thread. Do you wish me to prove that I have indeed undergone years of PE and show you a picture of my enlarged penis?That (all) being said, I did say in my 'Messageman Got PMMA' thread that I would post pictures. I've been intending too but just haven't gotten around to it'So I promise to do so by the weekend. And Rondo, I realize that your request for pictures comes from a good place and is based on your desire to educate not only yourself, but also others on this site'You are an asset to this site and I enjoy reading your posts'. Messageman

Hi Messageman,
I too agree with Rondo about you publishing your story. I was up last night 01:30 BST searching on the site for some answers and came across your journal.......it was just the relief I needed with all the worry and shite going through my mind at the moment with my recent implant. I saw you on chat but by the time I finished you had gone. It took my mind of my problems so much I was putting the cast together for the film......fuck the book:-))) I\'d have Ben Stiller playing you and the Dad from cheaper by the dozen and American pie to play the Doc (sorry not sure of his name).....cant think of a big actress for Barbera yet.But to reiterate it gave me some relief for the worry I am going through with my implant so thank you for posting!!I am about 7 weeks into post-op and well this haven\'t gone to plan so far. I chatted with Bostonman5555 to see if his implant had gone similar to mine. You see I had the XL put in, and not by choice this is what I was advised and to date I still have about a third of the implant up in my pubic area spread right across the incision.I have been instructed for the next two weeks to \"milk\" and \"stretch\" the penis to try and pull the implant down. I have been doing this for the past five days and see absolutely no movement there at all. BM5555 seems to think I may have cohesion with the implant and my skin. In addition the procedure is fucking painful as hell.I quizzed Dr Elist yesterday on why the implant was in that area and said this was normal, asked me if I had had sex and I replied it was impossible as the implant was restricting my penis to rise....his reaction was silence followed by OH and he proceeded to say just keep milking its going to be a few months before its there. Fucking few months I was boiling when he said that. I am now considering to have it removed. I am going to give it a few more weeks and then I will make my decision. Who ever reads this post please really really consider your options. Like you messageman I went into this blinkered because this dilemma we are all in(Penis size) has been with me since junior school over 35 years so nothing was going to stop me. Having said that if I had found this site before my Op I may have been swayed off having the procedure.I am so fortunate I have a very loving and caring wife but If I have the reversal and It goes tits-up I am not sure if my marriage will last and to be honest I wouldn\'t blame her if she decided to leave. I live in hope yet again. If the site will allow it I will post a very short(excuse the pun) video of my implant...by the way lumpy implant if not I will post some images.Take care all and speak to you soon

Messageman- I was actually requesting your pics as a means of balancing the request for pics from megadong. I agree that your current pics may not really speak to the Elist issue- although interestingly, based on your journal (did you finish part 8 yet?), it may actually somewhat \'advocate\' the end result of a \'sustainable capsule\' that was suitable for PMMA filling. Ok, I just turned your penis into a twinkie.LOL...I think all understand that pics of a successful Elist implant would be enlightening. I am not considering the implant by the way. I will be getting PMMA straight away (in the next week... locked and loaded). I have, however, considered the testicular implants for several years and am curious about the \'new\' material that is allegedly softer and more natural. I added to the thread that exists regarding testicular enhancement but have not recieved any replies in weeks. I don\'t want bowling Balls, just enough to make me look less like \'all Dick and no Balls\'. I\'m quite sure my testicles are of average size. Nobody likes average... \'And Rondo, I realize that your request for pictures comes from a good place and is based on your desire to educate not only yourself, but also others on this site'You are an asset to this site and I enjoy reading your posts'. Messageman\' P.S. Thanks for the compliment. I feel I am amongst good company. Much learned... and plenty to share, eventually. Regards. Nueknob- I believe your photos would be enlightening to those considering the implant. I would encourage you to share. I know I was \'talked out of it\' by reading testimonials and seeing pics from MNS and this site. I almost went there...thanks to those who vicariously stopped me. You could (perhaps) be that guy. Regards

nueknob wrote: Hi Messageman,
I too agree with Rondo about you publishing your story. I was up last night 01:30 BST searching on the site for some answers and came across your journal.......it was just the relief I needed with all the worry and shite going through my mind at the moment with my recent implant. I saw you on chat but by the time I finished you had gone. It took my mind of my problems so much I was putting the cast together for the film......fuck the book:-))) I\'d have Ben Stiller playing you and the Dad from cheaper by the dozen and American pie to play the Doc (sorry not sure of his name).....cant think of a big actress for Barbera yet.But to reiterate it gave me some relief for the worry I am going through with my implant so thank you for posting!!I am about 7 weeks into post-op and well this haven\'t gone to plan so far. I chatted with Bostonman5555 to see if his implant had gone similar to mine. You see I had the XL put in, and not by choice this is what I was advised and to date I still have about a third of the implant up in my pubic area spread right across the incision.I have been instructed for the next two weeks to \"milk\" and \"stretch\" the penis to try and pull the implant down. I have been doing this for the past five days and see absolutely no movement there at all. BM5555 seems to think I may have cohesion with the implant and my skin. In addition the procedure is fucking painful as hell.I quizzed Dr Elist yesterday on why the implant was in that area and said this was normal, asked me if I had had sex and I replied it was impossible as the implant was restricting my penis to rise....his reaction was silence followed by OH and he proceeded to say just keep milking its going to be a few months before its there. Fucking few months I was boiling when he said that. I am now considering to have it removed. I am going to give it a few more weeks and then I will make my decision. Who ever reads this post please really really consider your options. Like you messageman I went into this blinkered because this dilemma we are all in(Penis size) has been with me since junior school over 35 years so nothing was going to stop me. Having said that if I had found this site before my Op I may have been swayed off having the procedure.I am so fortunate I have a very loving and caring wife but If I have the reversal and It goes tits-up I am not sure if my marriage will last and to be honest I wouldn\'t blame her if she decided to leave. I live in hope yet again. If the site will allow it I will post a very short(excuse the pun) video of my implant...by the way lumpy implant if not I will post some images.Take care all and speak to you soon

A short video upload would be just fine. Just be sure it is strictly a video of your penis to demonstrate the appearance of the implant. Thanks

I actually did not have my ligs cut. The doctor asked me if I wanted to be part of a study he was doing to see if the implant would give you more length without cutting the ligs than if they were cut. From what I understand I achieved more length than any of the people that had their ligs cut. So now the Doctor does not cut them at all. He said that the implant can actually stretch out your ligs and give you more length. I am very glad that I was willing to try this out. I really think that the Dr is a great man, he cares deeply for his patients. If I had anything bad to say I would be the first one to say it, or warn you guys about it. But I have had an amazing experience, I cant imagine a life without my new Dick.

I will put up pics today.

nueknob,


I know how you feel, but don\'t forget that some patients can take up to 8 weeks to recover. i think it took me about 7 before I felt back to normal.

From what I understand the \"extra implant\" inside of you is put there to allow for your Erect length gain. I had the same issue and it went away after about 3 months. that\'s when I had my increase in Erect length. The doctor says that it takes about that long to stretch your ligs out.

You are not alone my friend. All of us that had the implant have been right where you are now. Its just part of the heeling process.