TOPIC: Dr Elist...

megadong wrote: I see that there is a lot of negative info on doctor elist here, I have had them implant for over 4 years and have never experianced anything nagative at all.

From what I understand the doctor has FDA approval on the implant. If the complication rate was that high how could he have that approval?


Does that make sense?

How would the FDA know if there was a high complication rate with his procedure? I seriously doubt the FDA did any testing on his implant, but rather simply passed the type of silicone. Saying it has FDA approval is about as valuable to his patients as the useless patent he used to always mention. Both the FDA approval and the patent are purely misleading marketing tools and are exactly what you\'d expect with a Dr who uses shills and MNS to do his marketing.

I don\'t think he has ever published any results for his implant and the complication rate is obviously very high, otherwise he wouldn\'t continually be changing it.

I will share my story soon, I dont have time to write it all out at the moment. I also have no problem sharing pics.

I am sure it does. This board is about getting the personal comments from those who experienced some form of penis enhancement. If there are positive experiences, bring them on.

Why dont you tell us about yours? How was it when you started, how is it now, post op, 4 years afterwards?


ANy before and after pics?

This is an abstract from a comment from page 4 on my patient progress post by cjruiz21:

\"I will keep track of your experience and see if it went good for you, because I see a bunch of negative'experiences here but I don\'t think that all of the patients have a negative outcome otherwise Dr. Elist would be out of business by now don\'t you think??\"

cjruiz21, supposedly following my progress because he is considering an implant himself, registered on 10/14. Megadong, supposedly having an implant for 4 years registered today. Both men seem to share exactly the same sentiment: that Elist\'s business success warrants dismissal of negative accounts here. I don\'t want to provoke a shill-hunt, but I will say that there is a consistent logic pattern here that feels irritatingly like that of a shill. I am a recent patient of Dr. Elist, and will go to the mat for what I think is an awesome innovation. I paid $10,500 for it, am pleased with some positive aspects and hopeful that some negative aspects (such as retraction and numbness) are merely temporary. However, I\'ve stated my dissatisfaction with Dr. Elist\'s ethics and professionalism. His FDA approval (an initial selling point I had liked) is because of the material (not the procedure), and he openly explained as much when walking me through the waiver process. In my opinion, a real patient (whether prospective or former) would not feel dismissive of negative accounts but sympathetic (such as myself, CK, marknmau, messageman, lasttime, etc). This need to prop Dr. Elist up feels slimy and not unlike his own professional manner in scapegoating. I\'m all for an open discussion, but DO NOT dismiss someone\'s negative experience here. It\'s valuable information, and what\'s more it\'s the cause of some people\'s pain, debilitation and financial setback.

whoa whoa don\'t even get me started on how corrupt the FDA is... please don\'t make that as your argument.
Edit: just read your post lasttime... yessir... FDA is all abut the money.. watch the Burzynski movie... it\'s on netflix if anybody has it... you\'ll see how it\'s all about the money vs people dying from cancer in that movie. So why would they care about the health of our penis?

Lets keep this thread focused on the issue. In the end, the FDA is what it is. I would like to read what is this guy\'s experience with Elist too.

FDA approved? FDA records show no such record of propthesis under anything to do with the penis. Here are the records www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdo...umn=DecisionDateDESC If he had FDA approval surely this would be featured on his site. All the site claims is \'FDA approved\' but no reference number. Yet he provides all the details for the patent! Odd that.

Even cigarettes are FDA approved...

These are some of the pictures of this patient \"Elist penile silicon disaster\" and one of these pic. showing the silicon strip started to perforate the skin :-
www.penisdoctor.com/images/sur-13.jpg
www.penisdoctor.com/images/sur-14.jpg

Megadong'The suggestion that the handful of Elist implant cases'that have gone badly are the ones that post, and that the majority of successful cases simply don't post, is ludicrous. The reason I can say this with such conviction is that I , like brother Hoddle, have personally known many of the'men who have gone through the entire process of: a) Considering the implant...Of course at the mercy of Elist's 'false assurances' (okay...lies), 'and couple of nicely planted shills doesn't hurt either, b) Having the procedure'This is major surgery and the recuperation is painful as hell and one fraught with constant fear and uncertainty'And the 10K price tag doesn't help either.c) Having issues such as penis retraction, sharp edges (resultant lesions), penis is unnaturally hard, numbness, penis basically looks and feels fake, infection, implant is bursting through the skin, etc ''d) Having it removed (in an examination room no less)'e) Experiencing'(significant) permanent retraction,' numbness,'and disfigurement of the penis'.F) Depression and anger.G) Resignation with'the 'new normal' mixed with flashes of optimism that someday he may be able to have a normal sized, functioning penis once again.'As many of you already know, I was one of Dr. Elist's original guinea pigs (way back in 2009)'I was captivated by the sales pitch by ''the good doctor' and 'a few 'glowing' reports 'of the implant on the old MNS site'back when MNS was relatively legit and basically (but not completely) free of censorship. I, along with many other prospective implant victims, were 'babes in the woods', and \"ripe for picking\". No doubt those 'glowing' reports were shills'but hey, I didn't even consider that the doctor would resort to such dirty tactics to make money... 'I do remember one shill who was giving a daily account,'detailing how his implant surgery was a 'complete secret and that not another soul knew about it''But two weeks later mentioned how he visited a 'school friend', who happened to be a 'plastic surgeon' (how convenient!), and he'showed him the stitching to see what he (the friend) thought. Apparently, the 'plastic surgeon' marveled at the expertise of the doctor and how it was the 'best work (cosmetic) he had ever seen'. I remember the warning flags went off in my head then'But like many of us do, I chose to ignore this gut feeling and chase after that 'giant dong dream'.'The first hint of implant trouble came in December, 2008...and'this dropped like a bomb on the MNS site. Apparently Doctor Elist had done a few implant surgeries in Abu Dhabi (UAE) that autumn, and one of his patients (ironically a doctor) had a severe infection with the implant 'and it the silicone implant) burst through the skin. The poor guy almost lost his penis to necrosis. He posted horrific pictures on the MNS site accompanied with a wrenching account of how his penis had retracted to about 3 inches erect, that his penis was disfigured, his girlfriend had subsequently left him, and that his life was basically destroyed. The post was eventually deleted from the site'but by that time most on the site had already seen it. We wanted answers! At first, Dr. Elist denied it'Then he admitted that 'there was a patient in Abu Dhabi who had 'problems'' but it was his 'own fault''Apparently he 'took too many anti biotics'. The \"ol\' Elist chestnut\": \"blame it on the patient\"...Works every time!Of course this was a humongous warning flag but I,of course, chose to ignore it. Over the following months, I, along with'several other guys I knew from the site, decided to have it done. 'Most, , if not all, had issues with the implant'In fact, I only know of'five guys (ever) who haven't had it removed, whether it be from dissatisfaction with the implant itself or infection'.and this is after monitoring the progress and track record of the Elist implant on three different websites for over three years!So'Megadong, unless the Elist patients from 'the old MNS site are the unluckiest bunch of guys in the f'in world, I would say people who have 'issues' with the implant are the norm rather than outliers.'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''Messageman'BTW, you never answered my question(s) in my first reply to your post:1)''''' Do you have the original (classic) implant model (from 4 years ago)?2)''''' Why do you think Dr. Elist keeps updating and tinkering with the implant if there are 'no issues'?

megadong wrote: I see that there is a lot of negative info on doctor elist here, I have had them implant for over 4 years and have never experianced anything nagative at all.

From what I understand the doctor has FDA approval on the implant. If the complication rate was that high how could he have that approval?


Does that make sense?

Believe it or not, the earliest progress reports on PhalloBoards (when it was first created) were by a handful of mostly positive implant experiences. We\'re open to both the good & bad.
Sure, there are negative accounts of the implant too. This is an open forum, so should that come as a surprise? If the recently-popular PMMA method were to show serious complications in a patient, this would be the first forum/site to learn of it! There are good and bad accounts of FFT, Alloderm, etc, as well.
If you are an implant success, I think you\'d do the discussion justice by contributing your own progress report in the designated Progress Reports forum. Thanks.

megadong wrote: Let me just say that I am not defending anyone, the Dr included. I think that you all need to realize that the vast majority of people that have successful surgeries are not going to create profiles online to talk about it. The Dr claims to have performed over 1000 of these surgeries. As far as I can tell there are only a hand full of you that have had any issues......

But it\'s not a handful of messageboard of the percentage of posters who have detailed their accounts from before surgery. If it were just a small percentage then this would surely have been reflected with just a small perecentage of messageboard posters, but right from the start posters on the old MNS were having problems (which when posted were usually quickly deleted.) If these were guys who just came along and announced they had issue\'s then it would be different, but these are guys who announced they were considering the surgery, then had it and then ran into problems. Also both Miro Djordevic and Rados Djinovic (who hate each other and have no reason to supports each others story) seperately confirmed that they had to remove all but one of the implants when Elist trialed it in Serbia.

I bet the vast majority of posters here that have had problems with the implant had messagboard profiles before they had problems.

No problem Mega! Do you mind sharing your experience and photos with us? There are few if any positive reports that I\'m aware of regarding Dr. Elist\'s prosthesis and your experience would be of great interest to others considering the procedure. Personally, I would like to hear your entire story from the beginning as I am intrigued about how you found about about Dr. Elist and also, how you feel about his newer designs versus previous models (ie: mesh for glans) etc. Thanks for enlightening our handful of members that have not been as fortunate as you have.

Respectfully,
M7

Let me just say that I am not defending anyone, the Dr included. I think that you all need to realize that the vast majority of people that have successful surgeries are not going to create profiles online to talk about it. The Dr claims to have performed over 1000 of these surgeries. As far as I can tell there are only a hand full of you that have had any issues......

I\'d also like to hear about his experience minus the politics. I\'m just hoping he is no UncleJJ. The dynamics are not dissimilar: rose-colored perspective, defends the doctor as though on a mission, vague promise to contribute. I\'ll believe it when I see it.