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To be fair, my assessment is from over two years ago when I was looking for a doctor for a different operation, so things could be different now. Sarmentero was on my list until I started digging into various Spanish forums (not entirely easy since he didn\'t show up on the larger sites) and directly talking to some of the patients. There was a pretty consistent trend of him being extremely nice until there was a problem, and then claming up. Lots of stories all \"I have a big issue with what he did and now he\'s not replying/the nurses are deflecting/I\'m left out in the cold\". That ended up turning me off.

Considering that Ellanse would be a process, rather than a one-off deal, I find that pretty concerning. At least enough that I\'d rather not be at the front line of testing things out with him myself.

chester wrote: Dr. Esteban Sarmentero. He\'s in Madrid. www.doctorsarmentero.com/

He\'ll do Ellanse in the penis. Call or email him for more info.

Hey this is actually pretty good news. Has anyone on the forum been to dr. Sarmentero ?

Dr. Esteban Sarmentero. He\'s in Madrid. www.doctorsarmentero.com/

He\'ll do Ellanse in the penis. Call or email him for more info.

I've googled it in the past but it doesn't seem there is anyone around.
And i think it's hard to convince some doctor to try it.
I've recently asked 3 Drs in Italy if they would inject me with Ellanse. All of them refused and want to either stick to their procedures (fat transfer and HA) or don't want to touch the penis at all (well in that case i asked to a doctor you usually use Ellanse, but in the face). And mind you, we were talking of a semi-permanent filler... :/

There is another issue.
Even if another Dr started giving PMMA, how many years of practice would he/she need to perfection it? Just wondering here, not sure how difficult the injection is, technically speaking.

About Dr.N, i cancelled her from the possibilities for me.
Not for an outcomes reason, there have been good/average/poor ones, but for the fact that she clearly consider US as a 'side' business and takes the right to ghost guys when problems arise. I wouldn't let a dog in troubles, how can she do that to her f patients? That shows no respect for us.
I've no idea how law works in Czech Republic, but i imagine it would be quite easy to sue a negligent doctor in Italy (or Germany, or Uk, or elsewhere). I've never had a Dr ghosting me , for much less important issues than a surgery in the penis. That's not acceptable.
Yet i totally understand the guys who went/will go to her, because i know where we come from.

I\'d go with Oates too, but he\'s not in Europe, where he\'d get a much better deal on Ellanse.

chester wrote: I also noticed Dr. Oates silence on Ellanse. Everything points to Ellanse being a far superior filler than Voluma, Teosyal, or Ultimate. The main problem is that Ellanse is expensive outside of Europe. Dr. Oates is in Australia. Here\'s a previous quote from the doctor on Ellanse:

If I were going to have Ellanse I\'d go to doctor Oates
Look at how many people Dr Kim fucked up with his MegaFill procedure compared to Dr Gitt who fucked no one up using practically the same product.
And look at the difference in pmma results between Dr C, Dr N and Dr Heller, the physician makes a huge difference.
I know your not going to him but if you do decide to have it make sure you find someone decent.

I also noticed Dr. Oates silence on Ellanse. Everything points to Ellanse being a far superior filler than Voluma, Teosyal, or Ultimate. The main problem is that Ellanse is expensive outside of Europe. Dr. Oates is in Australia. Here\'s a previous quote from the doctor on Ellanse:

Dr Oates wrote: Hi Everyone,

Just looking through some Ellanse research. Although the beads of PCL break down in 1/2/3/4 yrs the type 1 collagen produced usually has a \'half-life\" (i.e. half gone) in 15yrs.
Now I don\'t think we will really get 15yrs+ of result and the company does not claim that either but it certainly is interesting.
Also that in the face they often see 25+% more volume develop over the first 4 mths.

Dr Oates wrote: Hi Everyone,

As most of you know we used Voluma for most of our CALIBRE injectable penis enhancements. It is the best researched and has the best studies for longest longevity. But it is the most expensive and we had a couple of minor granulomas. Teosyal are probably the third biggest HA company in the world. We have been using Ultimate for the past 3 months. They have been gradually increasing their claims for it longevity. It is made to be their equivalent - or as they would put it their improvement on Voluma.

We trialled Ultra Deep on one patient but found it too irregular. The patient had quite high aesthetic expectations - but it certainly did not blend as well as Voluma. It is made with extra cross linking to be firmer and place down on the bone(so \"Ultra Deep) an province bony augmentation i.e. for chins/cheeks. So maybe in the penis is not the right place for it.

I have been very happy with Ultimate over the past 3 months. Maybe we could mix Ultimate and UD into the same syringe to try and get the benefits of both. It is a gradual thing to get the right product.

I think both Ultimate (Teosyal) or Voluma are good products for penis augmentation. It is probably both things like using cannula for safety, keeping strictly sterile, maybe doing 2 sessions rather that 15 - 20 ml in a single session that gives better results.

We find that guys coming back after 12 mths wanting more have not lost any girth from their post treatment size.

Dr. Oats,
Is Ultimate less expensive than Voluma? I think that\'s what many people are looking for, a cheaper alternative to Voluma due to it\'s high price. This is why I am flying to London for HA. I believe UD is priced reasonably and I could easily maintain yearly top ups at that price point. I noticed you did not mention Ellanse is this equation. Would you choose Ultimate or Voluma over Ellanse? I am strongly considering Voluma now. Your information is extremely valuable, thank you.
Regards
LL

Hi Chester I have considered Ellanse and went in to androfil to ask if they could do it. They refused as it\'s not reversible and didn\'t want to take the risk. Dr N in Prague will also offer Ellanse I have spoken to her and she said she can but it\'s more expensive than Pmma

If you guys are disappointed with the soft feel of Voluma, and the short durability, you should consider Ellanse. Androfill should be able to get a good price on it. drsiew.com/ellanse-everything-need-know-...-stimulating-filler/

Dr Oates wrote: A bit of massage - not so much, it does not tend to be a mobile initially. It depends how favourable your enis is ( see new blog post tomorrow on www.calibreclinic.com.au ).

Did another Ellanse Calibre today. Just 10ml but did start with 12 cm circumference. Hope to get a RV here and moayeb some photos soon.

Dr. Oates, thank you for this update. Looks like there\'s a growing list of members here who are very interested in Ellanse. Any Ellanse-related updates are very appreciated.

A bit of massage - not so much, it does not tend to be a mobile initially. It depends how favourable your enis is ( see new blog post tomorrow on www.calibreclinic.com.au ).

Did another Ellanse Calibre today. Just 10ml but did start with 12 cm circumference. Hope to get a RV here and moayeb some photos soon.

@hoddle & Mustang
Thank you for your substantive insight. 10% pmma was my original thought. However, as I\'ve expressed, the uncertainty of pmma long-term concerns me. With respect to infection, if I was able to receive a small sample for testing purposes, and my body showed no reaction, then I should be all clear. From everything that I\'ve read, Ellanse isn\'t only firmer than HA, it\'s also much more longer lasting, and best of all, it\'s a stimulatory filler. That makes it, in my book, superior to everything. As for why I seek a modest gain, well that\'s because, as Mustang points out, my considerable experience informs me that moving beyond six inches girth yields diminishing returns. I seek the girth mainly to effectively balance the prospective increase in length. If I get to 7 inches length, I prefer to be 6\" - 6.25\" than 5.6\". In short, I\'m striving to improve in all areas of my life, and this appears to be a low-risk way to achieve an enhancement. Subtle77 is the case study I am most closely following.

@chester, off topic, but for some reason I\'ve just noticed your goal is 6\" girth. Firstly I\'ll say as always, someone like you should do nothing, but now that\'s out the way, why on earth are you so interested in Ellanse given your relatively conservative goals? I\'ve see you posting for months about Ellanse but assumed you were looking for the more typical gains target of 1\" plus. In your case, Ellanse make virtually no sense. From your photos you are really more 5.6\" than 5.5\", so you only really need a 0.4\" gain. For such a small goal, a good practitioner, like Dr Oates, should be able to give a very natural result with HA. The worry with HA is that is lack the rigidity of the stimulatory fillers, but to gain 0.4\" the \"graft\" would be so thin you wont notice any difference. Ellanse is also 30% concentration, when you could get a permanent gain of 0.4\" from 1 round of 10% PMMA. If you are worried about complications, given your goals, Ellanse should be placed 3rd behind HA and 10% PMMA.

The whole point of having a temporary filler is for safety surely. In the last 6 months I\'ve heard of 2 PMMA infections, 3 HA infections and 1 FFT infection. In that time I\'ve seen zero granulomas. So it seems infection is a great risk from fillers than our bodies rejecting the material. If you get a biofilm infection from PMMA, Radiesse or Ellanse you are going to have a hell of a job shifting it. You can\'t just leave it though, so in the case of Ellanse the fact it\'s not permanent doesn\'t really benefit you, as you can\'t wait years for it to go, to deal with the infection. With HA, if you dissolve it, the infection will go or should be treatable. 30% Ellanse will more likely leave you with lumps than 10% PMMA in my opinion and has no safety advantage as it needs to be topped up, each time increasing the risk of what is seemingly the biggest concern with these fillers, which is infection. You big fear with PMMA I assume is having to have it cut out, but that issue is still there with Ellanse. We\'ve seen more infections in recent month with fillers than we have granulomas since PB\'s began.

If I were you I\'d find a good HA injector on the East Coast. I understand why Ellanse appeals to you, but ultimately, in your case, I just don\'t think it makes sense, given your goals.

Pretty much waiting on this. Nothing else seems as interesting as Ellanse and as knowledgeable as Dr. Oates.