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No exact date on initial Lipen D use, but I gathered that it would be months before they get approval. Lipen D will be much more expensive, it is more expensive for Dr. C as well. He gave me a tentative price quote but it seemed like that was almost certainly subject to change. The good part is that Lipen D is supposed to last for over 2 years with many patients reporting 50% of the gain remaining at the 2 year mark. Radiesse for glans enhancement is apparently more experimental and it is estimated to last up to 18 months (optimistically). The estimate is based upon how long it lasts for girth enhancement, but there is not as much data on how long it lasts in the glans. For the early adopters like me he\'s offering a warranty on his work--if less than a year goes by and \"all\" of my glans gain is gone then I can have Lipen D at a discount.

No complications or negative side effects from the glans treatment to report. At the rate I\'m healing the bruising should be cleared up before the weekend is over.

I\'m glad I went back so soon after the first trip. I didn\'t \"need\" the extra girth attained by the first treatment, but a consequence was that I did \"need\" the touch-up to enjoy life better. This weekend should be fun!

I went to TJ for a touch up and the new glans treatment last Friday. I\'ll get an erect picture posted soon. The goal was not a size increase but a significant improvement to aesthetics, and I was not expecting a perfect result. My preliminary assessment is that it looks and feels significantly better. Imperfections and problem areas remain but they are better hidden than before.

For the shaft Dr. C used mostly 10% and tried to camouflage the problem areas. The best improvements were to the valleys where he observed there was no product. The largest valley, above the circ line, was all filled in. You can still see and feel the 30% below the circ line, but the \"camouflaging\" did significantly improve the look and feel. Similarly the large ridge I have on my right side is still there, albeit significantly camouflaged. He decided to not use a Kenalog injection or cannula scraping. I\'m pretty sure they went above the normal number of cc\'s for what constitutes a \"touch-up\" to ensure a satisfactory result and fill in all of the empty spots from the previous work--I like that. I suspect this good service was also due to me paying them extra to be a guinea pig with Radiesse in the glans.

The glans procedure used Radiesse 6 x 1.5ml syringes. There was a lot of pain during the procedure and for a short period after, but apparently the previous patient didn\'t have as much pain as I did. Almost a week later and there is still bruising on the glans (almost none on the shaft from the PMMA work). My glans gained between .25 and .5 inch flaccid circumference (close to 1cm) and possibly a smidgen of length gain. I suspect this is due to the fixed quantity of 9ml--a fixed amount will obviously create a larger percentage increase in a smaller glans. A larger glans would require a proportionally larger dose to have the same percentage increase as the smaller one. He did offer a substantial discount on a future Lipen D treatment if the Radiesse isn\'t effective or does not last very long. We all know that the size of our glans varies depending on how hard our erections are. After the treatment my \"max\" size when using my hands and kegeling is unchanged. The minor size increase is only perceptible while flaccid.

I told my favorite Korean prostitute who knows I have had injections and was going in for a touch up wants to be the first to try it out. She actually wanted to go to San Diego with me (she gets free tickets from her sister in the airline industry); I messaged her while out there that in hindsight I thought it would have been fun if she came with. More than once she has enjoyed bringing in one of the new girls to surprise them with my size. So I\'ll let the ladies be the judge, first pros, and then I\'ll risk another encounter with a \"regular\" girl from the personals ads.

swamps wrote: Hello everyone,I thought I had better introduce myself, my name is Robert (swamps is my nickname) I live in England and I joined the forums last night.My outlook is a little different than most of those here for one I have absolutely no interest in how good or bad my penis looks while flaccid. I have never fucked a girl with a flaccid penis and therefore its usefulness and significance to me is nonexistent. In fact the only time anyone would even see my flaccid penis apart from before sex would be in the public toilets or showers and in this circumstance if any other man were to ridicule any shortcomings on my part I would gently correct his misconceptions on manhood whilst introducing his face to the porcelain urinals repeatedly until the concept had sunk in.When men judge another man on the basis of how much of a 'man' he is there are very few criteria which interest me. How well he can protect the ones he loves, how well he can provide for the ones he loves and how honourably he conducts himself whilst doing these two things ' that's it! The size of that mans penis has absolutely no influence on me why would it, I'm not gonna use it lol, if the same correlation between size and manliness were made on any other body part I think it would be easier to see the insanity of such a notion ' could you imagine judging a man on the length and girth of his index finger ha ha.The thing that led me to your excellent forum was the other gender ' women. Specifically how much they enjoy a slightly larger ERECT penis during sex. That's the only time they are going to enjoy the difference so that's the only difference I'm interested in making.At the moment my measurements are just under (about 2mm under ' sorry I don't get inches) the seven inch line for length and my circumference (in the middle of my penis) is exactly the same amount away from the six inch line and I am quite happy with these to be perfectly honest. But life would be pretty boring if you weren't always trying to improve yourself, plus I've got to the stage where I think I've done all I can with what I've got and was just curious if I could improve what I was working with. I haven't done any penis enlargement exercises whatsoever before, which is strange when I think that I have spent nearly every day in the gym and on the mats for the past ten years working out every other part but failed to contemplate improving captain winky even in the slightest.My objectives are to gain a small amount of length if possible but more importantly significant amounts of girth both specifically in the erect state and both through the safest ways possible.We'll that's me now to you guys, you are to be commended on your work here it is obvious from reading that many people have benefited from your knowledge and experience in the areas which you discuss, not just theoretically and in a preventative sense but also in an 'after the fact' one ' an area which even the doctors that perform these operations seem lacking. After reviewing as much as possible in one night I even began to get a sense of a sort of volunteering test group for self experimentation, with honest and informative testimonials ' a concept which has been historically difficult to produce even on a simple format such as retail goods let alone one as personal as penile augmentation.So congrats to you all on such an excellent forum, and you really need a donate function!Case in point, I first started researching the idea of increasing my size on google where I came across and I am sad to say was quite sold on the idea of the Dr. elist implant. After spending just ONE night reading through your forums I am absolutely certain that I have saved myself not only thousands of pounds but also a world of pain and misery ' small '20 donation for saving my penis from this torture, WELL WORTH IT!What I can gather so far; (no need to correct me if I'm wrong, I have loads more forum reading to do and am quite competent enough to reassess my conclusions as I learn)For girth there are really only two options, permanent filler and temporary filler.Permanent ' (PMMA) I am not willing to take the risks (however small) associated with this product for such a permanent time frame and without the need or anywhere near the determination of you guys.Temporary - (Radiesse - through safe cannulas injection if possible) I feel this is the most viable option for me as the risks are slightly less than PMMA and the timeframe that any problems could arise within is significantly less. Indeed should such problems arise it may be quite possible to manage them until the substance is completely absorbed by the body. Plus it allows for the use of the 'next big thing' that's always just around the corner without any major removal difficulties. I must say this is top of my list at the moment, and cost is irrelevant when it comes to the safety of the captain.One I wish would really work ' (Injected PLGA microspheres with autologous fibroblasts as suggested by target8x6) I think that if you could get a system of delivery and functionality of a product like that of PMMA but with the risk reducing absorption rate of something like radiesse whilst adding the benefit of growing actual cartilage in replacement of the filler then you could actually start growing your own real bigger penis and all foreign injected material would eventually disappear. So that's it from me really I'm just going to wait patiently for a while until I can review a few more radiesse reports or until something new comes along that proves a better alternative and then in a year or so I will take the plunge on what I have decided is the best option.Unfortunately I don't think I will be posting much more because I am not going ahead with anything yet and so have nothing to report and I have nothing to add in general to the topics you discuss that would come even close to your own excellent input. Looks like I'm going to be a lurker on this site and I apologise for that but it felt rude not to introduce myself and say thank you for the work you're doing and for saving me from the elist experience.If there is by chance anything you need from just some random guy in England that I cannot think of please do not hesitate to contact me and I will do my best to help.Just one question before I go and continue reading through the 41! Page thread on Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA? I was at the end of a thread last night (I really cannot remember which one sorry) and someone (smalljay maybe?) suggested to the guy that to simply add just a quick half inch or so to his length he should give stretching and jelqing a go. Is this a commonly agreed notion? Because that is something I could start doing right now and would probably give me all the length I ever wanted to be honest.Thanks again guys and I look forward to getting to grips with all the info contained in this forumSwamps

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for mentioning donations, when we have a system up I\'ll surely let everyone know!

If I understood you correctly, 7x6 ay? Don\'t let pictures fool you, our minds play tricks with us, it\'s called penis dysmorphia and I\'ve experienced the same thing. I\'ve seen pictures of penises thinner or thicker than my current unit and often think there is something wrong. This is even worse with pornography since they use camera angles and tricks to make the penis appear bigger than it really is. If you haven\'t already noticed, even XL condoms should be pretty snug/tight. I understand the need to \"improve one self, or else life gets boring,\" but subjecting one\'s (& only) penis to unknown risks for the sake of gaining fractions of an inch on a penis that\'s certifiably large is an avenue you may want to reconsider.

You say the opposite gender has brought you here, but I mean, if they have had any complaints and/or lack of interest in your penis, I assure you it has nothing to do with its dimensions. Are there women who can accommodate a penis larger than yours? Sure, but I think they should be more concerned performing kegels and rejuvenating themselves than for a man of your endowment to concern himself with penis enlargement. If you are in it for the women, you are very much in the realm of the grandiose penis, and I\'m not sure obtaining 0.3\" or 0.75\" in erect circumference will make a world of difference in bed (and actually, could have a negative impact for some partners). Not only must you face the possibility of medical complications, but also aesthetic dissatisfaction. Is this all worth it when you are in-fact well endowed?

Not passing judgment on you or anyone who seeks out penis enlargement, since I\'m not in their shoes. But having gone from having to use Snugger Fit condoms (for thin shafts) to now being able to use Magnums, I\'m sometimes baffled anyone thicker than I presently am would ever consider going under the knife. If phalloplasty was a refined, modernized and standardized procedure for men of all walks of life, I\'d be inclined to encourage it, however, it seems the convenience & short term success of PMMA has desensitized us to the realities & seriousness of what it really means to seek out cosmetic surgery for our penis.

Whatever it is you decide to do, good luck. As I have told newcomers before you, all I can ask is that you become an informed decision maker, and to make that decision with a rational state-of-mind (not allowing a prospective hook-up, an unfortunate snide remark, comparisons to online penises, or penis dysmorphia be a driving motive). Again, welcome aboard!

Hello everyone,I thought I had better introduce myself, my name is Robert (swamps is my nickname) I live in England and I joined the forums last night.My outlook is a little different than most of those here for one I have absolutely no interest in how good or bad my penis looks while flaccid. I have never fucked a girl with a flaccid penis and therefore its usefulness and significance to me is nonexistent. In fact the only time anyone would even see my flaccid penis apart from before sex would be in the public toilets or showers and in this circumstance if any other man were to ridicule any shortcomings on my part I would gently correct his misconceptions on manhood whilst introducing his face to the porcelain urinals repeatedly until the concept had sunk in.When men judge another man on the basis of how much of a 'man' he is there are very few criteria which interest me. How well he can protect the ones he loves, how well he can provide for the ones he loves and how honourably he conducts himself whilst doing these two things ' that's it! The size of that mans penis has absolutely no influence on me why would it, I'm not gonna use it lol, if the same correlation between size and manliness were made on any other body part I think it would be easier to see the insanity of such a notion ' could you imagine judging a man on the length and girth of his index finger ha ha.The thing that led me to your excellent forum was the other gender ' women. Specifically how much they enjoy a slightly larger ERECT penis during sex. That's the only time they are going to enjoy the difference so that's the only difference I'm interested in making.At the moment my measurements are just under (about 2mm under ' sorry I don't get inches) the seven inch line for length and my circumference (in the middle of my penis) is exactly the same amount away from the six inch line and I am quite happy with these to be perfectly honest. But life would be pretty boring if you weren't always trying to improve yourself, plus I've got to the stage where I think I've done all I can with what I've got and was just curious if I could improve what I was working with. I haven't done any penis enlargement exercises whatsoever before, which is strange when I think that I have spent nearly every day in the gym and on the mats for the past ten years working out every other part but failed to contemplate improving captain winky even in the slightest.My objectives are to gain a small amount of length if possible but more importantly significant amounts of girth both specifically in the erect state and both through the safest ways possible.We'll that's me now to you guys, you are to be commended on your work here it is obvious from reading that many people have benefited from your knowledge and experience in the areas which you discuss, not just theoretically and in a preventative sense but also in an 'after the fact' one ' an area which even the doctors that perform these operations seem lacking. After reviewing as much as possible in one night I even began to get a sense of a sort of volunteering test group for self experimentation, with honest and informative testimonials ' a concept which has been historically difficult to produce even on a simple format such as retail goods let alone one as personal as penile augmentation.So congrats to you all on such an excellent forum, and you really need a donate function!Case in point, I first started researching the idea of increasing my size on google where I came across and I am sad to say was quite sold on the idea of the Dr. elist implant. After spending just ONE night reading through your forums I am absolutely certain that I have saved myself not only thousands of pounds but also a world of pain and misery ' small '20 donation for saving my penis from this torture, WELL WORTH IT!What I can gather so far; (no need to correct me if I'm wrong, I have loads more forum reading to do and am quite competent enough to reassess my conclusions as I learn)For girth there are really only two options, permanent filler and temporary filler.Permanent ' (PMMA) I am not willing to take the risks (however small) associated with this product for such a permanent time frame and without the need or anywhere near the determination of you guys.Temporary - (Radiesse - through safe cannulas injection if possible) I feel this is the most viable option for me as the risks are slightly less than PMMA and the timeframe that any problems could arise within is significantly less. Indeed should such problems arise it may be quite possible to manage them until the substance is completely absorbed by the body. Plus it allows for the use of the 'next big thing' that's always just around the corner without any major removal difficulties. I must say this is top of my list at the moment, and cost is irrelevant when it comes to the safety of the captain.One I wish would really work ' (Injected PLGA microspheres with autologous fibroblasts as suggested by target8x6) I think that if you could get a system of delivery and functionality of a product like that of PMMA but with the risk reducing absorption rate of something like radiesse whilst adding the benefit of growing actual cartilage in replacement of the filler then you could actually start growing your own real bigger penis and all foreign injected material would eventually disappear. So that's it from me really I'm just going to wait patiently for a while until I can review a few more radiesse reports or until something new comes along that proves a better alternative and then in a year or so I will take the plunge on what I have decided is the best option.Unfortunately I don't think I will be posting much more because I am not going ahead with anything yet and so have nothing to report and I have nothing to add in general to the topics you discuss that would come even close to your own excellent input. Looks like I'm going to be a lurker on this site and I apologise for that but it felt rude not to introduce myself and say thank you for the work you're doing and for saving me from the elist experience.If there is by chance anything you need from just some random guy in England that I cannot think of please do not hesitate to contact me and I will do my best to help.Just one question before I go and continue reading through the 41! Page thread on Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA? I was at the end of a thread last night (I really cannot remember which one sorry) and someone (smalljay maybe?) suggested to the guy that to simply add just a quick half inch or so to his length he should give stretching and jelqing a go. Is this a commonly agreed notion? Because that is something I could start doing right now and would probably give me all the length I ever wanted to be honest.Thanks again guys and I look forward to getting to grips with all the info contained in this forumSwamps

MustGetBigger wrote: That\'s great news blue. You\'re my boy blue.. Wonder if you could get the silicon injected after already having PMMA injected

This is what worries me about this thread and I thought the same would be true of Irishfans, but his procedure failed. Guys see a nice result and start viewing this as a viable alternative. But nothing has changed. Silicone is still silicone and it would be crazy to have it injected. There is a reason the FDA banned silicone and it\'s because when it goes wrong the consequences are dreadful. The granulomas we see with silicone aren\'t the same as with PMMA or Radiesse. They will destroy the surrounding tissue.

Silicone injections aren\'t new, yet they haven\'t been discussed on mainstream penis enlargement forums as they are seen largely as an underground thing. Dr Loria has got around this by using a sale pitch he\'s taken from reading Phalloboards and claiming that he\'s using the micro droplet technique as described in medical literature. But he most certainly is not and should be avoided at all costs. The trouble is so many are desperate to get a big and aesthetic penis, that they will see results like this and start trying to justify doing this procedure to themselves. To even consider this would be pure madness.

To be honest there simply aren\'t any good surgical options. There are some interesting non surgical filler based options, but there are still pretty experimental. But you\'d be better off forgetting surgery all together. Satisfaction rates are stupidly low, hence you are finding it difficult to find surgeons who offer these procedures. I bet in any major Canadian city you could find 100 surgeons that off boob jobs, yet you\'d be lucky to find one who does penis enlargement.

Depending on you situation you could consider a filler option. PMMA is permanent, while Radiesse and HA are temporary. Don\'t do silicone.

Astro boy,

thanks for sharing your photos!!!! I really appreicate it. Im looking to get a chin enhancement... how much does dr C. charge for that? how did it turn out?

thanks...

Hope everything went well? LMAO

Hey everyone - thanks so much for the replies. I posted that right when I got home & was pretty frustrated with his answers - so it\'s good to hear your agreement that I had a reason to be frustrated. I think he definitely has some of the doctor/god complex going on. And, thanks for posting that radiesse link - there are totally a lot of negative reports on that stuff too - even on RealSelf. But PMMA - god forbid. Like you said, I would\'ve at least appreciated a discussion / explanation from his side of this issue...Otherwise, what\'s the point? Why be so negative? He was also very busy (already 45 min late) and the office was full of people. So, maybe he was just like \"shut up and move on\" because he was busy...but I don\'t think it\'s necessary to act that way just because your office is full. It wasn\'t really a good experience overall (I waited an hour just to get the price of the other stuff and ask one more question - despite his staff of 10 running around). I\'d love to talk to a totally independent biochemist about metacrill to understand the absolute scientific basics of it with as much objectivity possible. I did this with xiaflex (it took a while to find someone - but I was able to do so through some PhD friends of mine) - and the information I got was beyond anything that I ever imagined.

I\'m going to ask my urologist at the end of the month, and I know he\'s going to be negative - but I am going to push him for why. Part of the problem with urologists is that they see the guys who are messed up & who they have to fix. They don\'t see the people who are fine. So, obviously there\'s going to be a bias there. Also, I think in the USA there is a much greater fear of being sued than in Mexico or Europe - so even the 1-5% chance you can have an adverse reaction, they are going to just immediately jump to \"it\'s unsafe, you can\'t do it\" as long as their PEERS agree. Once the medical establishment is okay with something, then doctors can do it without fear of being sued. Facial fillers have come a very long way in the last 10 years, mostly off-label in areas like the undereyes or chin and jawline (never FDA approved for those). But, it took a while for a few adventurous patients and surgeons to try it - and then to publish it / present it at conferences...etc... and now you can get the same \"forbidden\" filler techniques at med spas in malls 10 years later.

There are lots of pioneers here...and it\'s given me a lot of hope to fix this.

No studies beyond 3 years and reports of nodules forming. Doesn\'t sound any better than the worse PMMA reports.

www.radiesse.com/RADIESSE_Wrinkle_Filler...ructions_for_Use.pdf

I just had a consult today for facial filler and the doctor was discussing restylane and radiesse with me (restylane was 650 for 1 cc and radiesse was going to be 1600 for 2 cc). I brought up the topic of artefill and he flipped out and said he\'d \"never use that - it\'s out of the question.\" I asked why and he said \"It\'s very dangerous - the reactions aren\'t known. You could react today or 10 years from now and I am not interested in doing that to my patients.\" Ok - well... radiesse hasn\'t been around that much longer than artefill...I thought (but I didn\'t say). What is with the vitriol? I didn\'t want to argue with him over it (and I\'m not trying to get it in my face - I was just trying to see what a reputable plastic surgeon in the USA in a major city would say - and there you have it). Also, I said I mentioned it because if he wanted to augment my cheek area - it made sense to use a bone-like substance rather than restylane which is more liquid and would look like a blob. PMMA is bone paste in its pure form...so why not even consider it? He said he can make radiesse look like bone, and don\'t bring up Artefill again - or see another doctor if I want to \"take a risk like that\"...end of discussion.

This is a well respected doc with a big practice and many happy patients / good reviews. He wasn\'t even subtle or mildly discouraging. He was just like - you\'re insane - get out of here if you want that. You\'d think I asked for home depot silicone.

This board has been the first and only glimmer of home I\'ve seen in 3+ years of peyronie\'s disease ruining my penis. To be honest, this is an emotional topic after what I\'ve dealt with.... and then plastic surgeons say this shit to me - I just get so pissed because it\'s totally crushing the possibility without even really explaining anything. At least with one of the posters here, I could read/discuss his bad PMMA experience in great detail and understand it. So, then I leave w/ this nagging feeling - what does he know that I don\'t know? Why am I reading a totally different story on this board?

I\'m seeing a urologist in a few weeks so I\'ll get that opinion too... though I can predict it already.

any updates Harelyman .. I am seriously considering this option.

send him a private message.

any updates Harelyman .. I am seriously considering this option.

@carljohnson

Yes, that was kind of a newbie question... I would feel safer starting with 10%, while 30% seems more attractive to me. When I asked that I was more concerned by the texture than by the risks... This said, I\'d still be very interested to know which texture you prefer in the end.

Anyway, I will not go for PMMA in the short term, I\'ve decided to wait more since my mind changes from day to day...

If I go I\'ll probably start with a temporary filler, my attention goes to Radiesse atm.


@Mike

I agree with that. The risks are not the only reason why I refrain. As it\'s permanent, I want to be sure to know what I want.

That\'s why I\'d prefer a \"try before you buy\" solution, so that I can decide if it truly worth it for me.

The fact that a competent surgeon such as Dr. Viel has discontinued the macrolane procedure (which he performed for some time in the past) and refuses to experiment with radiesse strongly suggests that these fillers are not the holy grail, at present. As of now we have only one case of positive feedback from the US on bioplasty via radiesse (posted somewhere on the phalloboards); to be exact, we have one feedback on radiesse, period. At the same time, note that we have had quite a number of positive feedbacks from FFT procedures, and still I would not go for it.

Unless, those who offer those procedures have developed a different technique. But the onus is on them to convince us with facts that this is indeed the case (videos, before/after pics, feedback from patients, reviews on forums, etc).Or may be, the temp filler which would provide the solution has not been created yet.

Gentlemen, be patient and continue your research.