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I’ve had 5 Bellafill treatment over the last 3 years. I would say after 3 days there’s not much ability to shape and mold, even after the first 24 hours it’s pretty well set in my experience. I felt best moulding and shaping time was in shower. About 2 weeks of being careful and no sex and then resume life as normal, maybe just a little careful with it. Low point in size seemed to be around 3 week mark, by week 6 or so it was starting to come back. Just my experience.

When Dr. Liu says your "body will guide you", I think he means to be mindful of how you feel in terms of recovery, and that not everyone heals at the same rate -- only you will really know that things are "back to normal."

You have Bellafill which has a bovine carrier, and by that I mean, the recovery process in terms of overall results is harder to predict, but with respect to your situation -- I'd play it as safe as possible -- especially due to the unfortunate implantation of the Elist implant, trauma, and subsequent removal. Typically with PMMA guys can resume most normal things 1-2 weeks post-op, but I would probably wait a minimum of 2 weeks (and as much as 6 weeks) before putting your unit through any strenuous activity. This isn't due to the PMMA itself, but due to the untold issues (hopefully minimal-to-none) that was left behind after the removal of the silicone implant.

*Note- Bellafill is an FDA approved PMMA filler and has been shown to work quite effectively for girth enhancement. However, the vast majority of accounts & anecdotes on this Forum come from International iterations like Linnea Safe, which uses a gel-like carrier that breaks down much faster than bovine. For this reason, contributions (i.e. posts) like yours will help better improve the overall sample size of information in terms of time windows, when to have sex, etc, especially if you continue to update this thread (and I implore & hope you do).

You definitely want to keep it wrapped for at at least the first 72 hours when possible (it doesn't need to be wrapped 72 hours straight), and subsequently massage & mold it when appropriate (I find when showering the best time to do it). The massaging & molding help smooth out any clumping of filler product that can lead to nodules and other aesthetic irregularities. And of course be sure the entry points (where the needle/cannula was injected) remain sterile and until they fully heal & close.

The best way I can describe knowing when your penis is "ready for action," is when you begin to forget you had any work done at all (this would strongly suggest by your own body that complete healing has occurred, and a full integration & encapsulation of the PMMA and collagen has been cemented permanently).

Today I had 20cc of PMMA injected by Dr. Liu. I’ll keep this post updated over the next 5-6 weeks as I get closer to my final form. I’ll also post pics along the way.

Starting flaccid: base 4.5”, mid shaft 4.25”, behind the glan at 4”.
Starting erect: 5.5”, 5”, and 4.75”
Pics attached

I choose PMMA as I had an implant from Dr. Elist but had to have it removed due to trauma from sexual intercourse.

Questions:

How long did it take before the swelling came down? I’m hearing two weeks, but am hoping sooner so I can get a better idea of how it will look (goal is uniform and proportional).

How long before you can walk 3+ miles, ride a stationary bike, swim, or jog? Dr. Liu says my body will guide me but I want to make sure I’m not affecting the final shape of the filler.

How long should you wait before sex? The take home instructions say five weeks but I’ve seen people mention 2-3 weeks in the forum. My big thing is appearance.

Also, I understand PMMA takes time to “solidify” and was wondering how much I can shape and define the final look? I’m going for a uniform, proportional look so I believe I can mold and shape this up to three (?) weeks.

Finally, how did you handle going out in public? Did you remove the wrap for a few hours and then put it back on when you got home?

Thanks again for the support.

So here is my thought about silicone and then PMMA. First off silicone is not approved as a dermal filler at all by the FDA. Secondly, it should be strongly prohibited from use in penis. Silicone is a filler that spreads and migrates. Never does it become one with the body, rather the body is always trying to push it out.

PMMA on the other hand has been approved by FDA as a dermal filler. It is used off label as a filler in the penis. Now the big difference is the body encapsulates the microspheres, forming vascularization around them and essentially locking them in place, hopefully preventing migration.

Placing PMMA over silicone or within silicone is a very poor choice. This is because PMMA needs to be encapsulated, which if placed within silicone prevents that. The PMMA then incites an inflammatory reaction and in this situation a bunch of nodules.

With silicone, in time things would most likely have gone south. With PMMA, there is a much greater chance for integration and successful augmentation

Concerning use of PMMA after Ellanse…..well, they both stimulate collagen through inflammation and thus collagen deposition, however one is longterm semi perm and the other, we presume, is permanent. My feeling is, as Ellanse begins to wear down, the body will aggressively eat away at it by means of macrophages and phagocytes. This may cause more inflammation around the permanent PMMA. There may be a chance of nodule formation because the two stimulatory fillers degrade at different rates.

Who knows.

I turtle like a MFer (check my progress log for photos)
I went from ~7x5 5/8" to ~7x6.5" in one PMMA procedure at Avanti.
Post procedural care can overcome retraction, the difference is your margin for error is smaller, because unlike some guys we don't default to hanging in a good state for recovery.

As for the testosterone cream that will make your uniball smaller, not larger. Enclomiphene monotherapy will up your Testosterone and give you epic nads...errr, nad. Find a clinic that will go that route (or HCG but enclo is lower risk). Probably more likely what you want, BUT, beyond that I won't comment as that's beyond the scope of the topic.

I am not sure if I've lost a very little of size, seems as the density has slightly decreased if that makes sense. Slight dips here and there. I was thinking of a small Overall Even touch up. Which is why I was asking if I should stick with Ellanse or go the PMMA route. Part of me wants to just stick with the same product, but I am not sure as I'm not an expert. How do you like your Ellanse?

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Fatoes1 wrote: Has anyone here using Ellanse have had a burning feeling inside the penis when manipulating the filler?

I have had normal HA several times before in the past and never have i had this feeling before. This also was my second round of Ellanse and it was just a top up of 6ML.

When i ask the doc that injected me he says that the filler itself shouldn’t be painful and maybe it’s a little inflammation.

But my Dick is not swollen anymore at all and there is no redness or anything. It’s just when i touch the place where the filler ends (on my Circumcision scar), you can feel a ring like ridge. When i rub or squeeze there it burns like hell for a couple seconds and then disappears.

Does anyone have any idea why this is happening and or what is the solution for it?

We'll need some more information than that. Like how recently fresh are you post-op from these Ellanse injections? If you are still recovering, there can certainly be tenderness (and rubbing & squeezing can make that tenderness a bit more noticeable).

Also, some men do report prickly sensations (not high in pain per se) after PMMA injections, and Ellanse works very similarly in how your body produces the collagen (girth), and you could just be experiencing more inflammation than usual.

If this were like 6 months post-op and the act of masturbating was prohibitive due to pain, I'd be concerned, but until we have a bigger and clearer picture of your circumstances, it doesn't sound alarming from what I can gather.

I’m 3 years into 2 and 3 year product and have lost zero size when fully hard.

I’ve thought about going pmma as it’s cheeper and they have the one with less material in it for better smoothing, but so far I’m sticking with ellanse.

Have you lost size?

Did you ever consider PMMA?

I haven’t measured very strictly post touch up - but yes it’s at 6 currently. I’ll update in around 3 weeks once things stabilize.

Visually it looks more even which is my main concern

Also the kenalog seems to still be working its magic slowly. The mass is getting softer and smaller. I may not even need another touch up at this point because to me it looks within “normal”.

VT86 wrote: Oh and one last question, you mentioned this in your previous reply: "but with Linnea Safe, without a doubt under 100cc's is where you want to stay in totality". Why is that?

Well this is from a personal point of view -- I had Metacrill and Linnea Safe many years ago, and in addition to the abundance of Avanti Derma progress reports on the forums, it's clear that you can acquire significant girth without ever having to exceed 100cc's in total, and that may be in part due to the fact that a 30% concentration is available, which will yield more collagen (albeit tougher/thicker).

I also don't feel like we've seen enough sample size with Bellafill (when compared to over a decade of Linnea Safe reporting) to know how much impact the longer degradation process of their bovine carrier necessitates more (or less) volume. It may have no impact at all, but I have noticed some Bellafill providers inject well above-average volumes per-appointment (based on prior averages), which makes me wonder if they take into account the carrier (or whether or not the 20% concentration plays a role as well).

Also, to reiterate my recommendation from before, let me add:
(1) you are lucky to have both a supportive and satisfied partner;
(2) in relation to bullet-point 1, minor aesthetic issues are meaningless if you are having a great, healthy sex life;
(3) and while very very rare, every new appointment presents itself with a host of potential problems (whether it be complication or new nodules, and so on). We had one guy with two great rounds of PMMA, went in for a 3rd and has been treating an anomalous severe infection that has left him with a variety of ongoing treatments. Not bashing his decision to go for a 3rd round, the moral of the story is (in your instance), that once you've hit the proverbial jackpot at the cardhouse, know when to go home!

is your base at 6" now with the touch up?

Week 3 update. Things look like they may stay around this size. My vascularity is coming back slowly. I’m still missing about a half inch of length. Ha ha ha.

Thanks Skeptical_One. It's been an incredible and unexpected journey so far. Keep holding it down!