A note of clarity - the joke is "a
Dick going thud when you flop it out". So there you go. Any way, pasting this from the doc I've been using to journal this.
I'm organizing the photos as we speak, those will come separately.
TLDR Version:
Before - 7-7.5BPEL x 5.625 BSEG, 5.5 MSEG, 5.0 CSEG
Procedure: 7/23/2024, 1200PDT, 15ml 30%
PMMA, 7ml 10%
PMMA
Provider:
Avanti Derma
1 Week After: 7.0 BSEG (+1.375"), 6.625 MSEG (+1.125"), 6.25 CSEG (+1.25")
2 Weeks After: TBD
Longer Version
I'll touch on the hotel, shuttle, restaurants, flight, etc, in subsequent posts, maybe, this is a Day 1 + Background sort of post. The pictures will come in separate posts once I determine how much I should stagger the timeline.
Background: November 2021 I found a local
HA injector who looked more or less reputable (then he went over to the silicone dark side and I wrote him off), and had 15ml of Voluma XC. I'd been mistakenly saying I'd gotten Volux, was so long ago and such a nerve-blurred experience all I remember was "Juvederm, something with an X, crosslinked hylauronic acid, 15ml". Back then he did the glans as well, though, it was really a thin U-shaped bead (think caulk bead) along the coronal ridge.
There was another dude here recently who posted about being a massive guy in stature and wanting a
Dick to match - that was basically my same motivation. 7+ by 5.5 would look like a big
Dick on most dudes, it doesn't on me, and I have the disposable income to increase the latter number. For privacy's sake I won't put my exact build as there are only so many dudes on the planet that size from my locale. But I am the size of an NFL offensive tackle. I would like to get to 6" circumference at the circ scar, and anything above 6" between there and the base I am content with.If I got what user ‘moes’ got as far as gain (he had the same 30/10 mix, bigger starting
Girth, similar starting length, and got 1 full
Inch), I’ll hit the size goal in one round, and a second would just be touch-up. To that same end, if it’s a variable .75-1.0 I’m good with that, too, I don’t think a vagina is going to notice 5.75 vs 6.0 in a single part of my dong.
I was crap about measuring back then, so I don't know exactly WHAT my
Girth was before that procedure. I know length-wise, over the course of being dude nominally obsessed with his
Dick, as all dudes are, I've gotten length measurements from 7" on the dot, all the way to 7 15/16" when i was 100% EQ and following manual PE routines. I suspect some of that is extra glans swelling that i will NEVER achieve during intercourse, so the length is somewhere between 7 and 7.5. If I slam some tadalafil and a high dose of PT-141, I'll get to 7.5, ordinarily the 80-90% EQ that's more common for sex, dead on 7".
Girth-wise before the
HA, I hit 5.5-5.625ish right before the base, but was 5.0 behind the circ scar, 5 1/4ish MSEG.
After the
HA in 2021, basically the 5.5 started closer to the circ scar, maybe 1/2" beneath it and i would get to damn near 6" by the time I got to the base. Fast-forward to today, and I've actually retained SOME collagen and degraded
HA (Dr
Morales and Ian called it "encapsulation"), and my MSEG is dead-on 5.5, base is 5 5/8", there's a margin for error in there for how tight one squeezes the tailor's tape.
Now, I retract, badly. I'll get some pictures up once we're in a better place, I'm only maybe a half hour post-procedure as I type this up (and will probably edit, and re-edit, multiple times before I actually put it on the forums). But I just had the Utmost procedure with Avanti, Haven't even been for my 16:00 with Ian yet, . Meaning I'm going to be a guinea pig for two things:
-how much aftercare can overcome a really strong retraction reflex. When I post my
Dick at its worst you'll see what I mean. Looks like someone put a gumdrop on a marshmallow
-how does
HA that's completely degraded affect subsequent procedures.
I am a sample size of one. So the scope of my results is limited, if I get a great result, you might have my same
Dick and get a bad result. If I have a bad result, you might have my same
Dick and get a good result. YMMV, caveat emptor, etc.
Day 1 - Tuesday 7/23/2024 12:00I had my
PMMA procedure with Avanti. You walk in, there’s a half bath in the room - take one last piss with your old
Dick, disrobe, toss your clothes on a hook, put on paper boots and a hospital gown with…the front open. I won’t lie, this is awkward as hell. I’ve gotten fat, and you’re staring at your bigass cortisol belly in the mirror with a spotlight on it, I felt like I was in the maternity ward. I’m sure they’re used to seeing fat bastards with their dicks out, I’m not used to being the fat bastard with my
Dick out - once I reclined and the numbing cream went on, put my arms back and relaxed, mentally checked out, this is around the time my BP probably normalized. Whoever recommended bringing sunglasses - yes. Bring them. The lights are bright, by necessity, I barely noticed em with shades on.
I had a ton of mobile, stretchy skin, plus the "encapsulation", and Dr
Morales did note that gave more space for them to maneuver. One in the "positives" column for previous
HA. I know the pre-existing
HA thing is a case-by-case basis, mine was so long ago I did not have to get anything dissolved, nearly the entirety of it was gone, and when I tugged at it...if you've ever seen someone who's lost like 400lbs and has loose skin on their stomachs, when I tugged it around it looked like that. Lots of room for filler.
I had 15ml of 30%
PMMA, and 7ml of 10%
PMMA, total of 22ml product injected, 5.2ml of
PMMA microspheres. Probably not a perfect 1:1 translation, but 5.2ml of microspheres from
Bellafill would entail 26ml injected (as
Bellafill is 20% concentration) - just as an FYI for anyone looking into
Bellafill instead of Linnea and wondering about an analogous quantity.
The Utmost also includes the PRP, glans
HA, phallotox, and scrotox. I can't remember if they do red light therapy or whatever but I brought my own infrared heating pad (for helping the massages later) and my own small red light therapy device. The glans
HA is the only part where I felt anything even vaguely resembling "pain", it was maybe a 3/10, and I'd wager I'm the exception. I wouldn't be at all surprised if I had some fibrosis the needle blasted through. I'm on TRT so I already have grapes for
Balls, the scrotox may yield an amusing result.
Otherwise all you feel are the pin pricks of the lidocaine injections, and the pin pricks of the botox injections. Once you're numb, all you feel is a tugging sensation at the base of your
Dick. Not uncomfortable, but you're trying to be professional and not get a boner while a pretty woman is tugging your
Dick. I won't tell you the sad things I had to think of to kill it, but thinking back I can't help but laugh. I was nervous but not cripplingly so going into the procedure, once i got laid back on the table I was fine. More than fine, the whole thing is just hilarious, I put myself in Leroy Jenkins mode and figure "one life, one
Dick, why the fuck not, we're all gonna be killed in a nuclear apocalypse soon any way, at least I'll die with a massive hog".
Immediately post procedure, leave it the hell alone. Go back to the hotel, eat some snacks that you were smart enough to grab from Oxxo yesterday, wait for your 16:00 with Ian. I'm going to be taking my stash of weights and urowrap to show him so he can say yay/nay, but none of them are touching my
Dick until that follow-up.
As for my nutrition and supplementation regimen I'll need to make sure it's kosher sharing all of it; nothing illegal, but I also don't want to cross the line of "self administration", or telling people how to grey-market their own stuff. I have legit HRT docs that are pretty cool about prescribing me what I want so long as it's not illegal or dangerous, to include GHRH/GHRP type peptides.
1600 Meeting: change the wrap every 3 hours, when the bleeding stops you can begin shaping/massaging.
1900: bleeding looks to be stopped. Threw on the 3-ball weight, and to answer a question I had myself, no, the glans isn't so tender that it hurts supporting this silicone rope with your coronal ridge (not any more than it did before the procedure when I was practicing). Everything still seems pretty smooth, so while my
Dick is stretched with the weight, I begin to rewrap. Letting it hang while my ropey back allows me to be in the office chair that's in the room, as my back starts to say hell no I'll go back to doing what i did before - attach the noose weight to some paracord thrown over my big toe, use the extension of my feet to pull the weight/glans forward. With this weight on, my NBPFSL is 6.5, so that's neat. Curious to see what my regular
Flaccid length is when the botox kicks in. I’ll change the wrap again at 22:00, get an
Erection, and if it isn’t painful in this wrap this will be how I sleep. Morning follow-up with Ian at 0930 on Day 2.
Day 2 - Wednesday 7/24/2024 - checkups with Ian, if your filler is out of place he’ll show you how to massage it back into place. One IMPORTANT thing I would suggest for you guys, once you’ve settled on a pattern/motion/pressure for massaging the filler around, show Ian. If you’re wrapping during your rest periods, show Ian how it’s wrapped. I was doing it wrong, and not enough pressure, and I couldn’t figure out what was going wrong; he corrected me, and I’ve had no problems since.
Also did the IPL for collagen, and red light therapy for healing. No idea how effective, but if the result works out I won’t complain. They give you those little eye goggles you use in a tanning booth, back in the gown,
Dick on display, and under the light you go. Day 2 is more about bruising and tenderness than swelling.
Day 3 - Thursday 7/25/2024 - more checkups and supplemental treatments, spot correction on the massaging. Today is a swelling day more than a bruising day. On day 2 you’re thinking “that’s not that bad”, but day 3 was when the edema went into overload. On the other hand, my
Dick went back to a mostly normal color, so maybe the red light does help? Or maybe the boatloads of peptides, who knows. Still some massaging imperfection, but I’m ok with aesthetic imperfection, I had an ugly
Dick before, and I’ll have an ugly
Dick after.
Day 4 - Friday 7/26/2024 - one last morning meeting with Ian at 0930 after my final
Dick-on-sink morning massage, then my flight back home, by this point my technique has gotten better so he only had to point out a few things. I wait with my bags in the Avanti office, shuttle scoops me right up - guys, GET THE SHUTTLE! Apparently there’s some kind of medical tourism special fast lane for the border crossing, that the shuttles have access to, otherwise it’s a 3-4 hour crossing.
Day 5-6 - Saturday/Sunday
Appearance is pretty much back to normal. In fact, they talk about a low point, and it’s around this time that I’m frantically looking through
PhalloBoards to see when the low point is, when you can figure out how much of your gain is going to stay, etc.
On day 6 I take my first measurement with tailor’s tape. My girlfriend was right behind me working, and she doesn’t know yet, so I’m sneakily measuring my non-stretched but non-turtled
Flaccid…holy crap, yeah, if she didn’t know about the
HA, she’ll know about this one.
Measurements
Base - 6.5”
“Shelf” behind circ scar - 6.0”
…holy crap. Awesome. Maybe this holds, maybe it doesn’t, but that’s my unstretched
Flaccid a full
Inch bigger than my pre-
PMMA Erection. There are pictures of this.
Didn’t measure on day 6 tugged, but if i pulled my glans to stretch out, the shelf went down to 5.5”, mid-shaft 6.0”, and base still 6.5”.
Day 7-10 - Monday - Thursday
More stretching, massaging, albeit lazily so. The filler is MUCH harder to move at this point, and it doesn’t take long massaging to cause some pretty wild swelling.
Girlfriend is still attached to my hip (for reasons unrelated to my
Dick), so no real alone time, and I can’t really keep a boner that well when she’s behind me on a zoom call, but I did sneak a measurement with like 80% EQ
….are you friggin kidding me? Man if this holds, I’ve hit the collagen jackpot. No way, this can’t hold. Don’t get attached to this size, I can’t. SO, day 8 measurements, Tuesday 7/30/2024
Base
Erect Girth - 7” (old: 5.625”)
Mid-Shaft
Erect Girth - 6 ⅝” (old: 5.5”)
CicScar Shelf - 6 ¼” (old: 5.0”)
I’m on day 10 now, haven’t measured
Erect-ish since day 8, ripping headache from unrelated things, tomorrow I’ll slam some forced-boner juice and give it a measure.
From here on out it’s just a game of massage, extend, see how much of these gains hold. Cautious optimism, it didn’t FEEL like swelling to the touch, and my subcutaneous veins were visible when I measured (you’ll see when I get the pics on here). But I just can’t let my mind race to the possibility of adding 1.5” in a single session. I’d love it if I were that one special snowflake, but that’s probably not reality.