TOPIC: How long is PMMA manipulatable, in your experience? Update Day 60 Touch up with Dr. Cho Lipen D in S. Korea

I think dr N doesn\'t advice to massage, is that correct ?

I always had that lingering thought that \"wouldn\'t it move the product around and leave it un even. The one thing that made sense to me, was the penis being stretched, so it can heal in an elongated state to prevent Turtling.

I don\'t think Dr N tells anyone to massage the penis afterwards other than keep it wrapped up. But because most guys read this forum I guess they would massage even after DR N hoping for no lumps.

Many member say massaging helped prevent lumps, so I am lost. If I had PMMA, I wouldn\'t massage for like 24 hours, to let it set a bit like jelly ( so it doesn\'t easily move around) and just only massage lumps before they hardened. But I am guess that if you slept on your penis it would squish to one side lol. So maybe just be to sit there with your penis stretched for 48hrs and not sleep.

Here is 20 day update. My penis is 80% in some photos. I think I have some psychological ED because I am feeling depressed about the shape and my mind is wandering negatively. Let me know your feelings. You can see a large module on one picture and the general unevenness. The top down photo looks alright but does show the whole story. Thanks for you comments!

About size, I am about .8in larger and it\'s getting smaller by the day. I was well over an 1inch 1 week ago

It looks like you have very mobile skin. Only 10% should be used in such cases in my opinion.

Did you post \"before\" photos? What were your stats?

JJ,
I know exactly what you mean! I have the same concerns, but again mine is starting to look better, yours really doesn\'t look bad, I do understand that you\'ve seen it for years and it\'s under heavy scrutiny at the moment! Just relax and let the dust/PMMA settle! My injection spots look the same.... even without the bumps the spot is noticeable, looks like a rough BJ to me! Good luck, hang in there. It will be okay....

@jimmyjames

Honestly I think your unit is looking much better. There is still some residual puffiness but in the 3rd shot it looks especially more natural than from before. A second round is usually inevitable for some people and I suspect some work can be done to even out the contour irregularities. Hoddle pointed out the mobile skin, get as many of these photos on your next visit and I suspect Dr. C (a Dermatologist) will know what to do. I would not go for more size on your second round, make it strictly aesthetic correction.

Good luck!

Thanks for the replies fellas. Yes I do have mobile skin and that was one of my worries because I would think that it\'s easier for the PMMA to move around before it sets. I told Dr. C to do what he thought was best and this is how it ended up. I am trying to stay calm and just let it settle as Crebo says.

I know that I will have a second procedure but it won\'t be until November if I go to Dr. C. I\'m in South Korea so I might see Dr. Cho to get his opinion. I will be sure to share his thoughts with the board. I\'m going to wait at least 6 weeks before I have a consultation with him.

I\'m surprised my gains are under an Inch right now being that I had 26cc. I\'m starting to believe that the doctor in Prague that uses a little 30% at a time in separate procedures is a better option and theory on how to apply this product.

My starting stats were 7in x 5in Erect. I did have pre-op pictures but deleted the entire thread in an emotional tirade I was having at the time. My plan was to leave the forum and forgot everything. I was very distraught at the time and not prepared for what I was seeing in my pants. I have since calmed down and stop acting irrational. I chose this procedure and read this forum for years before I did it. I will have to be strong and live with however it turns out. I\'m thankful that this non bias and transparent forum exist.

I believe you will get the same results with PMMA as you do having fat injected into your penis.... Less is more in this instance and you need to have the PMMA (if you think is right for you)- Injected minimally so you don\'t get an uneven \'overfilled\' result... Having to massage lumps and bumps would be a nightmare.. (I experienced this with fat injection)... You need a product that is even right along and won\'t dissolve unevenly or you will be spending all year trying to even things out only for the product to dissolve or merge and you have to start all over again... I believe the Gold Standard is Dermal Grafts (done properly) but even I wouldn\'t get Dermal Grafts because of the donor scarring I have seen and heard about... I am thinking Belladerm but I am skeptical as to it\'s longevity... i.e. Dissolving, moving, shrinking etc...

Hey - your third pic looks great and much improved...but I see the lumps in the other ones. I hope they go down or spread out or something. I do not entirely understand the process of PMMA vs swelling vs collagen - because it seems to all be overlapping (time-wise) and it\'s hard to tell what is what in the early days. Maybe in 2 months, you\'ll look back at these old posts and feel like you were worried over nothing -- but I think it\'s hard to say. One of the members here sent me a pic of a porn star that even had a ridge from PMMA...so it might be there for a while (I\'m guessing you\'re on an improvement path now based on the pics you\'ve posted over time).

On a related note - I have to say - in my experience - people really don\'t notice things as much as I thought. I have a 2 month old circumcsion scar from degloving surgery and I\'ve gotten head from a lot of people...they don\'t even see it! It\'s bizarre. And the scar has not evened out yet - it takes a few months to flatten and fade out. Given that though, I totally sympathize with all the feelings you get after a penis operation. I had some very rough moments in the 2 weeks after the surgery I had. It\'s totally different than PMMA and was not for size (curve correction) but the healing process is just NOT easy for many people, myself included. It\'s your Dick - I mean - honestly, how some guys here are so calm and patient, I have to admire that. I am not.

I think what Aussie guy just said and what Hoddle was saying might be valuable info - i.e., less is probably better - and your next session of 10% might make an awesome result... and your updates will be a huge help on this 10/30 topic. I think I read somewhere that there are even more 30% complications but people didn\'t post them...they just discuss over PM...one of the more senior members said that. I also found a thread w/ a guy who had a totally purple penis after 10% only... and not even a lot of CCs - but that was the reaction - and then down the line his result was good (sorry I am really bad w screen names - but its on here).

Thanks for updating your progress. Hopefully it\'ll work out down the road with time or with more PMMA or with time resolving the swelling. Swelling CAN be hard - it seems odd - but in surgeries I\'ve had - and w/ scars I\'ve had - they can get really hard in the beginning. Not sure that is what is going on, but just a thought about it.

Thanks restoration for the reply. I am a very big worrier about all things and about my one and only penis more so. I have calmed down for the most part but it\'s constantly in my mind. I have accepted that there is no turing back.

The third pictures is deceiving because it doesn\'t quite look that good in real life. I took all those pictures at the same time. It\'s like a 2d effect from top down and the others give the 3d effect showing all the irregularities. Like you said I hope in 2 months I look back and wonder why I was worrying so much. This my first round so I didn\'t know exactly what to expect even though I\'ve read every progress report on the website.

I think that Dr. C will be able to fix the contours and get rid of the nodules when I go back so I am not overly concerned as before. It\'s still pretty lumpy but getting fractionally better everyday from what I can see. I will definitely stick around to update my thread and post pictures good or bad.

Thanks for keeping us updated, it\'s really valuable!

JJ,
Just wondering how things are going, hoping all is getting better now. My gains are stable so far. Still need work on the top of the shaft. Can\'t wait to my next procedure. Just want to tell you that I can\'t stress enough that we share the same issues, not the same size, I wish. Mine seems to be looking better, got prolly my best Erection today that I\'ve had since the procedure, I still have a buildup of PMMA under my shaft below my circ. I feel the cluster when flacid, but when Erect I can\'t tell. Oddly enough I kinda like the way it looks, flacid. Makes my unit look more symmetrical. I do also have a PMMA pad on the right side mid-shaft, it seems to be leveling out slightly. Again, I like to keep you updated, I can\'t imagine the stress you had and hope that you\'ve found a bit of normalcy.

Take it easy
sorry if to personal but are you military?

Thanks Crebo. I think I\'m getting better very slowly but it is still not natural looking to me. When Flaccid it is a bit lumpy and have the same build up around the cir scar area especially on the back side. Then it dip lower around the neck area which is now the thinnest part. I also have a big Nodule at an injection point. Two smaller ones that don\'t bother me compared to the large one. See attached pic.

I have unevenness throughout the shaft but it\'s nowhere near as bad as it was 1 week post up. Erect I can still feel and see the unevenness. It feels solid though and I\'m happy with the hardness. If there were no contours and general unevenness I know that I would be satisfied with the feeling. I am 27 days post op. I, too, can\'t wait for round two because I do believe that this can be sorted out and it\'s not a permanent shape. I still haven\'t decided if I will seek treatment in Korea or fly back to Dr. C. I\'d rather see Dr. C because I know his track record and there\'s no language barrier. I will at least do a consultation with Dr. Cho in Korea to see his opinion. I think that it will be useful for the boards.

My stress levels are getting better and I have began focusing on other relevant things in my life. I still visit this site numerous times a day. I\'m glad you are getting better Crebo, I think we will turn out fine after another round. I think that a not so perfect shape after the first round is very common but those people are not posting here.

I\'m not in the military btw.

Here are some more pictures of my penis 29 days post op. I feel the irregularities are getting worse as the collagen builds. I am truly sad that this how my penis now looks. I can only give it more time and hope that it can be repaired to look like a natural penis. You also see the huge Nodule, that\'s not getting better, in the picture. Who else out there had a shape like this after round one but fixed it in round 2? Please offer me some hope.

It looks like the 30% PMMA got moved around quite a bit after injection but I still think that you should not worry too much. Another session will correct most of this. BTW, have you contacted Dr C\'s office? They will best assess your situation. Relax and don\'t worry too much, you will be fine in the next session. It really does not look bad at all now. Just remember most women will enjoy it as is.