TOPIC: Met Dr. Loria yesterday

Day four no real change from the other day. The wrap is a pain in the a$$. I spoke with Dr. loria today and he said i need to leave the wrap on so it will help to even everything out. Its a bit lopsided flacid but Erect it looks fine. When ercet it feels like the stuff is firming up. To be honest i dont like he way it looks flacid. But i still have some brusing. But i didnt like the way it looked flacid before, it was to small. It does look better Erect.

For my sake i hope Dr. L is legit or at least i do not have any negitive sides. I am strating to second guess anymore treatments from everything i am reading. I have no choice but to hope for the best. I am done responding to the bashers. If you don\'t want to read this then don\'t.

Thank for the update Irishfan. Can you describe how bad the bruising is? That\'s a common issue with PMMA as well and should be expected with
Any procedure with filler injection in the penis. Also could you post some post operation pictures like others here have with there post op out come so we can see the results and the healing process? I would ask the doctor what exactly he injected and don\'t take juviderm like substance as a answer. If he inject you I believe you the right to know the material, maybe not the formula but the materials he used. Keep us informed and we look forward to any pictures. Remember you are the first here to under go this procedure and we want to get a clear under standing of it, best of luck on the recovery period and we wish you well and hope it works for you.
Kcchief

PmmaBoards wrote: Ok, I over reacted, I see you are concerned. It is just looked like you were attacking the guy. just like the admin attacked Dr Loria after saying disrespectful posts would not be tolerated. He should run for office ! I mean for better or worse Irishfan is sharing his experience which will benefit everyone. I am not convinced the material in mexico is any safer. I mean we don\'t really know where the stuff came from. Ii am not saying silcone is safe either though. Irishfan please do not stop posting, YOU are a pioneer.

You can say that about loads of substances. The point is with the Brazilian (not Mexican) PMMA, we can make some educated guesses or assumptions. With Dr Lorias cocktail we are clueless and to a large extent so is he. Irishfan is a guinea pig more than a pioneer.

A more sensible approach for Dr Loria would have been to inject smaller amounts into the arms of 100 paid volunteers. He should have taken histological data for at least a few years. Then if he was satisfied with the safety, started experimenting with small injections into the penis.

Lets cut the crap here. We all know you are or represent Dr Loria. I\'d urge you to rethink this whole thing. I really doubt you understand the utter devastation a man goes through when he permanently damages his penis. If you did, unless you were pure evil, you\'d not be experimenting on men as you are. You procedure might prove to be the answer we\'ve all been looking for, but history shows this is unlikely and even if it is, the chances are there will plenty of tweaks that need to be made along the way.

Take this procedure off the market, approach things in the right way and come back in 5 years time if by then you are able to demonstrate a satisfactory complication rate.

Ok, I over reacted, I see you are concerned. It is just looked like you were attacking the guy. just like the admin attacked Dr Loria after previously warning others disrespectful posts would not be tolerated ? He should run for office ! I mean for better or worse Irishfan is sharing his experience which will benefit everyone. I am not convinced the material in mexico is any safer. I mean we don\'t really know where the stuff came from. Ii am not saying silcone is safe either though. Irishfan please do not stop posting, YOU are a pioneer.

full disclosure:
I posted before. my name is ICE CREAM and I was banned for not brown nosing Dr C. Release the hounds !

FYI this is my SECOND post thank you and good day Sir.

ICE CREAM

He\'s right only PMMA is safe Thanks Hoddle.

Dr Loria, if you are going to pretend to be another person, use a proxy that is from the same city, or, at the very least, the same country as that person.

What is PMMA?

When I was in for my procedure on friday with Dr C, I spoke with Wade about the forum. I asked him if they would join and he made it sound like they didnt want to because of situations like this. I do not believe that is Dr C posting.

Doctor Casavantes wrote: He\'s right only pmma is safe Thanks Hoddle.

Dr. Loria, this is getting to be a bit out of hand and almost juvenile. Please, check this link out: www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

I know with 110% certainty that that is not Dr. C, and I believe Dr. L is a bit upset that a thread will be published shortly outlining all the evidence against his shilling operation on this forum.

I think the Florida Medical Board needs to check this guy out. This is really getting to be inappropriate.

Isn\'t Dr. Loria the same guy who threatened a Hair-Restoration forum\'s member with violence via email? There are some links about it on the main \"Dr. Loria\" thread in this forum.

Irishfan wrote: What is PMMA?

I sincerely don\'t mean to come off as a \"troll\" by asking this, but if you are curious about PMMA, why weren\'t you just as curious about the product being injected into your penis during your consultation or your procedure? Wasn\'t it important for you to know what you were having put inside your penis? When women go to get their lips done, they\'ll want to know what choices they have, botox, etc. Shouldn\'t the same reasoning be true with something that\'s considerably more experimental (i.e. penis enlargement)?!?

Simply put, PMMA are very small beads (polymethylmethacrylate) suspended in a some type of carrier, injected in parts of your body in order to stimulate collagen growth. Whatever Dr. Loria used on you was supposed to perform a similar function, that is, stimulation of collagen growth. However, the big difference is that we have somewhat of an understanding of PMMA\'s efficacy, history, and safety record (especially in the short term, although long-term safety implications are less understood). Dr. Loria\'s cocktail, on the other hand, could be a mix of just about anything. I\'d personally be very concerned if he wasn\'t willing to release that information to you, the patient.

I am not a Dr. So it wouldn\'t matter if he told me what it was because it would have no meaning to me. As I said I spoke to some people and had a meeting with Dr. L so I was comfortable. I don\'t care what he put in as long as my Dick gets fat. Do we know the long term effect on anything? One week the fda says somethings good then bad and back and forth. I do not let fear controll my life.

You have no right bashing Loria. You don\'t know him or what he is using. So anything you say is unsupported. You are bashing something you don\'t Even know what it is.

Irishfan wrote: I am not a Dr. So it wouldn\'t matter if he told me what it was because it would have no meaning to me. As I said I spoke to some people and had a meeting with Dr. L so I was comfortable. I don\'t care what he put in as long as my Dick gets fat. Do we know the long term effect on anything? One week the fda says somethings good then bad and back and forth. I do not let fear controll my life.

You have no right bashing Loria. You don\'t know him or what he is using. So anything you say is unsupported. You are bashing something you don\'t Even know what it is.

Let me get this straight. You don\'t think it is right to bash a Dr, who lies on his website, mixes a substance that the manufacturer clearly states shouldn\'t be mixed, and employs shills to do false marketing for him?

You\'ve always come across as an extremely naive guy, but your comment that you \"don\'t care what he put in as long as my Dick gets fat,\" puts you firmly in the bracket of extremely stupid. I don\'t like to throw insults at people, but that really is the most idiotic thing I\'ve ever read on this forum.

PMMA is just a fancy medical term for ground up plexiglass. If you had it injected like all the moderators did except hoddle, they would all be saying \"awesome, you\'re huge bro !\"

But since you saw a different doctor, and had a different treatment, they are all butt hurt :/

Typical mob mentality.

Soon they will say you are using a \"proxy\" and ban you.

Actually Supa hasn\'t had PMMA either. Also as I pointed out in a previous post, PMMA has evolved. If the first generation products were producing acceptable levels of complications then there would have been no need to research and make changes. For example, the size selection and smoothness of the beads have refined over the years. The need to do this is only found out at the cost of early patients. That is how these things work.

As I\'ve said previously there are lots of substances that can be injected into the penis to make it bigger. But not all of these substances will be equally tolerated by the body and thus the rejection/complication rates will be much higher in some than others. Unfortunately even with the most well tolerated non biological injectable there will be complications. We need to do all we can to ensure as few people have to endure complications as possible and the only way to judge that is to have some understanding of what is being injected and the history of the product in this or similar applications. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing with Dr Lora\'s cocktail. I don\'t mean just because he\'s keeping its formula a secret but also because there is little to nothing recorded about the use of high volume Silikon1000. Also there is a sparsity of information on it\'s use when mixed with other substances, which is probably due to the fact it\'s manufacturer specifically says it shouldn\'t be mixed.

So it isn\'t about being \"butt hurt,\" but about having a sense of responsibility and caring about people. In my opinion PMMA is far from a perfect solution and those who have under gone the procedure should be deemed as pioneers. But at least they have some ideas of the risk and can make a decision by researching the product history.

@PMMABoards--you do realize that under your name it shows when you registered and the number of posts you\'ve made, right? (In your case, \"today\" and \"1\") I\'m not a moderator, and I\'m not 100% sold on PMMA so I really don\'t have a dog in this fight, but I do wonder how you just happened to show up now in the midst of an on-going problem with shills to attack the board when you\'ve never been heard from before.

On a positive note, at least the shills are too fucking stupid to do a good job of disguising themselves.