TOPIC: Met Dr. Loria yesterday

Dr. L wanted me to come in his Friday I told him I am not wanting to do anything for a while. If it didn\'t work two times he would need to change something. That does not make me feel confident. At this point I would have to think any change would experimenting. And I am not wanting to do that.

I have read every thread on PMMA and I think that will be the next thing I try.

Irishfan wrote: Dr. L wanted me to come in his Friday I told him I am not wanting to do anything for a while. If it didn\'t work two times he would need to change something. That does not make me feel confident. At this point I would have to think any change would experimenting. And I am not wanting to do that.

I have read every thread on PMMA and I think that will be the next thing I try.

I\'d speak to as many well informed people as possible before doing that. You need to know what is likely to be currently in your penis and if this could have an adverse effect on the PMMA.

Personally, in my humble opinion, I wouldn\'t take too much notice of what Wade or Dr C about this either, or certainly don\'t take it as gospel.

Hoddle\'s right about needing to wait it out and do all the research. No offense at all to you Irishfan, but your first decision was a rather hasty & impulsive one. Try to be sure your next decision is made as an informed decision maker.

And following this procedure up with something like PMMA also reminds us all of the glaring issue revolving around the composition of Dr. Loria\'s cocktail filler. It\'s hard to really get a valid assessment by anyone (Dr. C, Wade, or a Urologist or Primary Cary Physician) on how safe or effective it would be to apply PMMA to an area that may still have some type of filler material in it (as Hoddle pointed out, you could have simply lost the carrier but may still have substances inside that were designed to stimulate collagen formation).

If you decide on PMMA, you will have to get the contents of that cocktail from Dr. Loria and forward them to a Urologist/primary care, a Dermatologist (i.e. Dr. C), and Professor Lemperle and get their opinions.

Hi Irishfan,

I agree with Hoddle+SO you should wait it out in regard of PMMA, this time you should do more research, and you are right about no more sessions with Dr.L.\'s cocktail .

If I were in your position I will try to get the contents of his cocktail (written) and I \'ll do my best to get my money back or at least some of it (5k) because he injected > 85cc.\'s of his cocktail in your penis with 0 gain ; he mentioned that his cocktail contains :-

1- A temporary filler e.g. Restylane :- (If that is true) usually the gain will be from day one and it will stay for around 6-18 months and that is not happening with you, if you remember in my post no.166 about the korean study :- around 20cc.\'s of Restylane injected in a penis will give you around 1.5\" gain ( i.e. each 2cc.\'s of Restylane will give you around 0.15\" gain ) but in your case > 85cc.\'s @ L.\' cocktail injected in your penis ---> 0 gain .

Btw after a temporary filler injection you don\'t have a temporary drop in gain after few days (unlike in the case of PMMA you have a temporary drop after around 6-10 days post-injection \"Brazilian\'s product\" and then the gain will come back again) so thats mean we are almost sure that there is no temporary filler in his cocktail (unless he injected only <1cc. of it in the 85 cc\'s injected in your penis).

2- A permanent filler :- Either Artefill or Silikon1000 (if that is true) I agree with Hoddle; he should wait for 4-6 wks (and as I said I am sure he knows about that and he mentioned it too in his article) but he didn\'t do that instead he injected the 2nd rd within one wk from the 1st one and now he is willing to do the 3rd rd after around 2 wks from the 2nd one ---> i.e. either he didn\'t use a permanent filler or he did but it has to be a very tiny amount but still a person can have a problem with this tiny amount because the idea of micro-droplets Silikon1000 tech. ---> with this tech. a doctor can control and he can precisely choose the spot where he wants the new collagen should form but in the case of his cocktail; he injects the newly formed micro drops of silicone carried in a fluid (i.e. as he assumed in his cocktail ) ---> these small drops can migrate and moved around in the carrier and settled in different locations and not where it was intended and may be also there will be a danger that these micro drops cluster together to form a bigger volume of silicone ---> also a danger of migration can happen.

In conclusion I think his cocktail should be very cheap (and no way 5k) because of the followings :-

1- It contains almost none or very tiny volume of temporary or permanent fillers.

2- He offered you another 2 extra sessions for free (each one should cost 5k) as we know Artefill is very expensive.

I think Dr.L. shouldn\'t do his experiments on his patients, he should do his study first on animals then on his body (e.g. his forearm as Lemperle did to all of his PMMA\'s products) and to examine them histologically and publish it in a medical journal like any other doctors will do.

For these reasons I would ask my money back.

As I had mentioned in some of my previous posts, I still think loria is injecting his patients with nothing but absorb able fluid with no fillers. They keep coming back for more and he collects the money. Looking at his advertising video, he was injecting his patients way too fast for any filler. It is obvious to me that he is no expert in this field of PE, and he is just offering a gimmick for a quick $. His office staff sound so unknowledgeable it is not even funny....

Dr.L. mentioned \"he is currently researching and experimenting (of course as always on his patients) on new and novel ways to lengthen the penis.\"

penisenlargementus.com/how-to-increase-penis-length.html

Also it was mentioned in another site :-

penisenlargementus.com/

\"Dr. Loria now has the most extensive experience to date ( but in the case of Irishfan it looks he is still experimenting and didn\'t find the right cocktail). By the end of 2012, Dr. Loria will also be the first U.S. physician to perform penis glandular enlargement and penile lengthening using Long Acting Filler Material. This highly specialized procedure may be presented at the American Academy of Facial & Plastic Surgeons, American Academy of Phalloplasty Surgeons, American Academy of Urological Surgeons, and the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgeons in 2013.\"
If he didn\'t succeed with the easier penile girth enhancement how can he succeed with the more difficult penile lengthening ???

Irishfan
Who is doctor P? And what method does he use?
Thanks.
Kcchief

smartman wrote: Dr.L. mentioned \"he is currently researching and experimenting (of course as always on his patients) on new and novel ways to lengthen the penis.\"

penisenlargementus.com/how-to-increase-penis-length.html

Also it was mentioned in another site :-

penisenlargementus.com/

\"Dr. Loria now has the most extensive experience to date ( but in the case of Irishfan it looks he is still experimenting and didn\'t find the right cocktail). By the end of 2012, Dr. Loria will also be the first U.S. physician to perform penis glandular enlargement and penile lengthening using Long Acting Filler Material. This highly specialized procedure may be presented at the American Academy of Facial & Plastic Surgeons, American Academy of Phalloplasty Surgeons, American Academy of Urological Surgeons, and the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgeons in 2013.\"
If he didn\'t succeed with the easier penile girth enhancement how can he succeed with the more difficult penile lengthening ???

Also I still don\'t understand how he plans on presenting to the institutions he mentions as 3 don\'t exist and the one that does he isn\'t a member of!

I do agree with you Mustang he is injecting his patients with mostly absorbable fluid.

Wouldn\'t it be better for Dr.L. if he used only Restylane instead of his cocktail (if he couldn\'t use the permanent fillers due to the cost or it\'s difficult technique):-

1 ml of Restylane to buy will cost around $134 (a pack size >50 syringes) so 10 ml of Restylane (= $1,340) ---> and according to the korean study ---> (20 ml ---> 1.5\") so 10 ml will give you around 0.75\" penile girth gain for around 18 months with patient\'s and partner\'s satisfaction (>80%), the only thing the erect penis will be a bit squishy.

www.medicadepot.com/buy_restylane_wholesale_online.html

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20233296

So for every 0.75\" penile girth gain (for around 18 months) he can charge his patients for an example 5k (his profit will be around $3,660) wouldn\'t it be that better for him (at least to be honest with his patients) than using his cocktail with zero gain, and loosing then many patients ??

Yeh that is true Hoddle.

Imagine he injected 85 cc.\'s of his cocktail (and still offering another e.g. 45cc.\'s =130 cc.\'s in total) with zero gain instead of using the easy and honest way e.g. 10 cc.\'s of Restylane with only one session every 18 months which costed him only around $1,340. Of course its result is not perfect (its texture) but at least better than the zero gain.

elsit site had so may lies I can\'t believe he was not shut down by the medical authorities. He claimed that his implant was FDA approved...Bullshit, it never was. I saw the patent he filed and he never received an actual patent number. He filed for a \"method\" of using the implant. He also told me in an email that I wold get TWO extra inches of length from the weight of the implant...

So we have another psycho at the other side of the US...That\'s good, it will keep the US Continent balanced

It is about ROI: return on investment. Absorbable fluid cost mere dollars, and he charges $3400, his office is already running now so the cost is the same, so this PE bullshit is almost pure profit for him, about $3300 every session....

smartman wrote: I do agree with you Mustang he is injecting his patients with mostly absorbable fluid.

Wouldn\'t it be better for Dr.L. if he used only Restylane instead of his cocktail (if he couldn\'t use the permanent fillers due to the cost or it\'s difficult technique):-

1 ml of Restylane to buy will cost around $134 (a pack size >50 syringes) so 10 ml of Restylane (= $1,340) ---> and according to the korean study ---> (20 ml ---> 1.5\") so 10 ml will give you around 0.75\" penile girth gain for around 18 months with patient\'s and partner\'s satisfaction (>80%), the only thing the erect penis will be a bit squishy.

www.medicadepot.com/buy_restylane_wholesale_online.html

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20233296

So for every 0.75\" penile girth gain (for around 18 months) he can charge his patients for an example 5k (his profit will be around $3,660) wouldn\'t it be that better for him (at least to be honest with his patients) than using his cocktail with zero gain, and loosing then many patients ??

I don\'t believe the satisfaction rates. These medical studies are so often utter bullshit. I remember that the PLGA Scaffold surgery study claimed all the patients were satisfied. Yet of those that I know who actually had it, hardly anyone was satisfied and most were seriously pissed off.

My urologist, David Ralph, uses Restylane one some patients, but he says it isn\'t that great and often they want it removed, which is easily done. Also the makers of Restylane brought out another slightly more viscous HA which was meant to be more effective for volume filler called Macrolane. I know 2 people who have had it (one was Mikehok) and they both said it was terrible. Also the Dr who did my FFT in London, used to use Macrolane and he stopped. I asked him about Restylane and he said it would be even worse than Macrolane.

The only reason I could think of for a high satisfaction rate could be that they specifically chose patients with very small penis\'s who were therefore just pleased to have more size, no matter what it looked or felt like.

Give me any study you want, I will make a special survey that will make it look like the study is successful. It is all about how you word the questions and how you make the answer selection meet your goals..

I totally agree with you Hoddle about the results of these studies, actually I would hate to have a squishy Erect penis for 18 months also the filler can move around even towards the scrotum, but at least a doctor has to be honest with his patients and inform them the pros and the cons about his procedure before doing it (as an informed consent).