TOPIC: Round 3 | Avanti PMMA Results 09/12/2023

Previous threads for rounds 1 and 2 may be found here.

R1: phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports...?start=75#1308713177
R2: phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports...?start=30#1308712693

Didn't update the thread for round 2 as much as I did round 1, so I'll quickly update and say that I leveled off completely at a solid 5.75. I still get "swollen" after using my cock a lot, so I can hover around 6" if I'm really active, but my "base" size is 5.75.

That gives me 1" in gains from R1, and 0.25" from R2. I'm really hoping for 0.5" here in R3, my final round, to finish this off.

I've been entirely happy with PMMA so far, and it's coming up on a year since I had Round 1. I've done lots of pumping (I can pump to 6.5 with Bathmate) and compression stretching and the PMMA holds up great. Even though I only got 1/4" from R2, it was a really good round because it evened me out a lot after that full 1" gain from R1. The only real downside I have right now, is that may base is about 1/4" smaller than my midshaft, and I'm wondering how hard it will be to gain 1/2" overall and ALSO fix the base, because the base would need 3/4" gains in order to catch up and also match the rest of the shaft's presumed 1/2" gains. Make sense?

For this round, I'm requesting an EXTRA 2nd PRP shot injected PURELY for ED/erection health/erection strength. I still feel like my dick should be harder than it is, and having smoked many years of my prior life, I just wonder if that's had long-lasting effects now at the age of 37. I'm excited to report it on that too. Although I get perfectly good erections, I feel like they're not as "full" and "hard" as they should be. This was true before PMMA, so don't misunderstand that the PMMA feels soft. It definitely doesn't. In fact, after a really good pumping session my EQ can be really high and my cock gets really hard like it should all of the time. So yeah, I'm hoping the extra PRP will do something for me there. Probably would get another 1/4" in length or more just on improved EQ alone!

I've always gotten the Signature Package before. This time I went for the Utmost, due to the deal they have right now. This will be my first time reviewing the differences in the packages as well, and how I feel the Botox played a role, etc etc.

Expect pictures and progress updates! I'm about 14 days out. See you then!

NewMember wrote: Previous threads for rounds 1 and 2 may be found here.

R1: phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports...?start=75#1308713177
R2: phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports...?start=30#1308712693

Didn't update the thread for round 2 as much as I did round 1, so I'll quickly update and say that I leveled off completely at a solid 5.75. I still get "swollen" after using my cock a lot, so I can hover around 6" if I'm really active, but my "base" size is 5.75.

That gives me 1" in gains from R1, and 0.25" from R2. I'm really hoping for 0.5" here in R3, my final round, to finish this off.

I've been entirely happy with PMMA so far, and it's coming up on a year since I had Round 1. I've done lots of pumping (I can pump to 6.5 with Bathmate) and compression stretching and the PMMA holds up great. Even though I only got 1/4" from R2, it was a really good round because it evened me out a lot after that full 1" gain from R1. The only real downside I have right now, is that may base is about 1/4" smaller than my midshaft, and I'm wondering how hard it will be to gain 1/2" overall and ALSO fix the base, because the base would need 3/4" gains in order to catch up and also match the rest of the shaft's presumed 1/2" gains. Make sense?

For this round, I'm requesting an EXTRA 2nd PRP shot injected PURELY for ED/erection health/erection strength. I still feel like my dick should be harder than it is, and having smoked many years of my prior life, I just wonder if that's had long-lasting effects now at the age of 37. I'm excited to report it on that too. Although I get perfectly good erections, I feel like they're not as "full" and "hard" as they should be. This was true before PMMA, so don't misunderstand that the PMMA feels soft. It definitely doesn't. In fact, after a really good pumping session my EQ can be really high and my cock gets really hard like it should all of the time. So yeah, I'm hoping the extra PRP will do something for me there. Probably would get another 1/4" in length or more just on improved EQ alone!

I've always gotten the Signature Package before. This time I went for the Utmost, due to the deal they have right now. This will be my first time reviewing the differences in the packages as well, and how I feel the Botox played a role, etc etc.

Expect pictures and progress updates! I'm about 14 days out. See you then!

Bro, can't wait to hear about your results. My R1 yielded 0.75", R2 yielded 0.5", so we got the same results effectively after two rounds. My R3 only yielded 0.25" in erect girth . . . so I will be headed back for R4 probably in November. Three rounds got me 1.5" so I'm not complaining sitting at a solid 6.5" erect girth. But I'm need some touch up around the base and I'm shooting for 7"+ erect girth. Might take another round or two for me.

Keep us posted bro!! I hope your R3 is more successful than your R2. That's completely possible. Be rolling to soften up that PMMA an collagen and be pumping every day until R3. That's the instruction I got from AD.

Ok boys, the early results are in!

Round 3 PMMA = 5x30% & 14x10% = 19cc total

So, even less 30% in R3 than in R2. I got more cc's of 30% in R1 alone than I did in R2 + R3 combined, which is interesting. Still, that's a grand total of 57cc's of PMMA start to finish. For better or worse, this is likely my last round, even if I wanted more. There was simply no more room to get more product in. I've maxxed-out my Cock. Sure maybe I could spend 12 months pumping and get another 1/4" of PMMA but that's nonsense. This was my final round.

So, Ian takes measurements before and after the procedure, and I got exactly 1cm difference before and after. Currently, my Flaccid Cock is measuring at 5.75" MSEG, which is my previous Erect Girth. Based on previous rounds, I'll swell more and more, bigger and bigger over the next few days, then end up right around where I am now. If that holds true, I should hopefully end up with 1/2" gains this time. There's no way I walk away with less than 1/4", so either way, I'm in the 6" Girth club now.

I went with the Utmost this time, after having gotten the Signature the first two times. I'll write a summary of what I think once I've had time to heal and actually see it all in action.

I also got a 2nd PRP shot injected solely for Erection strength/quality. I'm hoping this is something that I end up noticing! She said those injections would hurt, but I never felt them... I hope that little needle was long enough to get where it needed to go!

My base Girth was about 1/4" smaller than my MSEG coming in, so that's actually where ALL of the 30% went this round, was to my base. I have to say it changed the entire appearance of my Cock, and I think in the end it's going to be quite nice. It's definitely caught up with the rest, and I look pretty even all around. Interested to see how my glans turn out! I've never gotten the glans enhancement before.

There's nothing more to say for now. I'm including some photos for you guys. My next 2-3 posts will outline my experience with Avanti (this was definitely the best round, and I'm more impressed by Avanti this time than I ever have been) as well as letting you know how the gains are coming along!

After 3 rounds, all with Avanti, I think I have a lot of good advice I could give now on this topic and this company, and may write a "review thread" of my personal journey as a summary of the whole thing, with what I've learned, realized, and wish I'd known coming into this.

All in all, it's been great. Hoping for at least 1/2" gains to finish my journey in Round 3!

Happy Healing!

Woke up at 5am to morning wood. Felt strong, and extra hard. Good start! Haven't had or forced an Erection yet. Not taking any supplements or anything that may induce an Erection whatsoever either. 100% natural.

My Girth measured just a tick under 7", which is 1.25" worth of swelling from my pre-procedure Erection size. That's some pretty decent swelling, and highly encouraging that I'll meet my gains goals this round. Flaccid Girth is sitting at 6.25" this morning as well.

48 hours...

Swelling already subsiding. I've had substantially less bleeding in round 3 than in my first 2 rounds, and my injection sites I believe are already entirely healed and closed up. My Flaccid Girth today at the 48 hour mark is 5.75" (implying a 6.25" eg)... I'm not sure how to feel about this, since I've noticed a correlation in previous rounds where whatever my Flaccid Girth measurement was at 48 hours ended up being my Erect Girth measurement as the final result (10 days later, no more swelling) which implies a possible 0 gains round.

Hopefully this correlation is more coincidence this time. Otherwise, I'm healing quite quickly and feel great. Aesthetics are excellent, and I'll provide some better photos in a day or two after bruising goes away.

NewMember wrote: 48 hours...

Swelling already subsiding. I've had substantially less bleeding in round 3 than in my first 2 rounds, and my injection sites I believe are already entirely healed and closed up. My Flaccid Girth today at the 48 hour mark is 5.75" (implying a 6.25" eg)... I'm not sure how to feel about this, since I've noticed a correlation in previous rounds where whatever my Flaccid Girth measurement was at 48 hours ended up being my Erect Girth measurement as the final result (10 days later, no more swelling) which implies a possible 0 gains round.

Hopefully this correlation is more coincidence this time. Otherwise, I'm healing quite quickly and feel great. Aesthetics are excellent, and I'll provide some better photos in a day or two after bruising goes away.

Here's a quote from my Round 2 results... I'm at the exact same place, despite starting with a larger measurement this time

48 hours update...

Not as much swelling this round. Complete Flaccid measuring at 5.75 with 6.25 mseg. Gained a noticeable amount on the top/bottom Girth dimension which is nice. At 1.75 top to bottom now with 2.25 wide.

NewMember wrote:

NewMember wrote: 48 hours...

Swelling already subsiding. I've had substantially less bleeding in round 3 than in my first 2 rounds, and my injection sites I believe are already entirely healed and closed up. My Flaccid Girth today at the 48 hour mark is 5.75" (implying a 6.25" eg)... I'm not sure how to feel about this, since I've noticed a correlation in previous rounds where whatever my Flaccid Girth measurement was at 48 hours ended up being my Erect Girth measurement as the final result (10 days later, no more swelling) which implies a possible 0 gains round.

Hopefully this correlation is more coincidence this time. Otherwise, I'm healing quite quickly and feel great. Aesthetics are excellent, and I'll provide some better photos in a day or two after bruising goes away.

Here's a quote from my Round 2 results... I'm at the exact same place, despite starting with a larger measurement this time

48 hours update...

Not as much swelling this round. Complete Flaccid measuring at 5.75 with 6.25 mseg. Gained a noticeable amount on the top/bottom Girth dimension which is nice. At 1.75 top to bottom now with 2.25 wide.

Hey brother, I hope you don't have zero gains. My round 3 yielded only 0.25" from 15 cc's. But any gains are good gains. That said, don't be disheartened. There is another bro on here who's round 3 yielded zero gains, but his round 4 was significant. I think he's sitting well over 7" eg now.

Appreciate the kind and encouraging words. I think the worst part about getting no gains would be the financial loss... A total waste! I just don't understand how I can get 19cc's of PMMA, even if it's all 10%, and get 0 gains. Where did everything go? And I got 4 total injections of PRP too (2 for healing, 2 for Erection quality).

I just don't get it. But will keep you all posted either way.

NewMember wrote: Appreciate the kind and encouraging words. I think the worst part about getting no gains would be the financial loss... A total waste! I just don't understand how I can get 19cc's of PMMA, even if it's all 10%, and get 0 gains. Where did everything go? And I got 4 total injections of PRP too (2 for healing, 2 for erection quality).

I just don't get it. But will keep you all posted either way.

I hear ya. Reach out to @briceb
I recall he had a similar issue on Round 3 or 4, I think was able to get the next round on the house and then got massive gains from that next round.

Day 3...

Holding 5.75" of Flaccid Girth implying a current 6.25" Erect Girth. I'm attaching photos today to show how I look so far. Healing is rather rapid this time. Compared to the prior 2 rounds I've never healed so quickly. My injection sites were closed up by day 2 also and I barely bled at all day 1.

There are a few variables this time that could be the reason. I'm not smoking this time, I didn't drink caffeine before/after and didn’t take the Ibuprofen either (100% of all PRP resources say to abstain from caffeine and ibuprofen for several days when receiving PRP). I also didn't take any Cialis to "help with blood flow" which I think was the right call.

Aesthetics look quite good though I think. Took photos with the Hanger on. Tried to snag a few angles.

NewMember wrote: Day 3...

Holding 5.75" of Flaccid Girth implying a current 6.25" Erect Girth. I'm attaching photos today to show how I look so far. Healing is rather rapid this time. Compared to the prior 2 rounds I've never healed so quickly. My injection sites were closed up by day 2 also and I barely bled at all day 1.

There are a few variables this time that could be the reason. I'm not smoking this time, I didn't drink caffeine before/after and didn’t take the Ibuprofen either (100% of all PRP resources say to abstain from caffeine and ibuprofen for several days when receiving PRP). I also didn't take any Cialis to "help with blood flow" which I think was the right call.

Aesthetics look quite good though I think. Took photos with the Hanger on. Tried to snag a few angles.

Looking good bro. Great symmetry and aesthetics. AD does it right.

Day 5

Measured 5.75" Flaccid Girth this morning (best evaluation for swelling since regardless of my Flaccid size I always gain 1/2" when Erect so my mseg would've been 6.25... no need to measure both, been doing this long enough)

I've never healed so quickly or seen swelling dissipate as I have for this round. Unsure why. Body acclimated to procedure? CC's this round not much different than round 2 in both total and ratios.

At this point, I'm just waiting to see where I land for size.

On a perhaps more important and worrisome note, my erections are a little soft. Like the PMMA isn't getting as hard anymore as the natural parts of me like before. I feel like I've got a bit of a soft mushy outside layer. I'm getting pretty concerned as to whether this will change. I didn't have this issue in the first 2 rounds.

Can anyone comment on this?

I'm extremely healthy... I weigh 165lbs, probably 7% body fat, 6 pack, bench press 3 plates and deadlift 4. Eat great and take lots of healthy supplements. Whatever the problem is, it's not me, my lifestyle or my diet...

NewMember wrote: Day 5

On a perhaps more important and worrisome note, my erections are a little soft. Like the PMMA isn't getting as hard anymore as the natural parts of me like before.

I wouldn't dwell on it too much until the 6 week marker, especially being only 5 days out.

Also, I find it remarkable that the collagen can somewhat mimic an Erection despite not being erectile tissue like the corpora cavernosum, I've never understood (or asked) why because I assumed neocollagenesis (creation of collagen) likely triggered some angiogenesis (creation of blood vessels), but at present time I haven't had this confirmed by any online sources, nor have I ran it by any Physician (yet). I assumed that given an Erection's means of acquiring blood engorgement meant that any additional/surrounding tissue could become more rigid as a consequence (the dermis is known to contain vessels and PMMA are dermal injections) -- which was and is completely speculative on my part, and frankly I could be way off the mark, so please don't rely on these musings until I get a more professional opinion. While I know the topic of male Phalloplasty better than most non-physicians, there are still some things that I will occasionally forget, or simply overlook (like PMMA rigidity).

I have a phone conference with Avanti Derma this week where I will ask them how PMMA can behave both Flaccid and Erect despite not possessing corporal or phallic-like tissue (or perhaps the nature of the collagen created via PMMA may very well have corporal or spongey properties, and I'll be happy to have this clarified in the near future).

I will note however, as someone who likely is in the top 1% of overall gains achieved via PMMA, you can notice the rigidity diminish ever-so slightly the more you add Girth, distancing your external shaft from the actual corporal cavernosum (although we're talking 2 to 3 inches of increased circumference, which means there is tons of collagen). Think about your penis pre-op, you were basically holding your Erect corporal tissue that was covered by a thin layer of skin. The stiffest part of your penis is where the erectile chambers draw blood, and PMMA isn't a perfect mimic of erections, just similar -- so too much (of any filler) will suffer from its distance to the erectile chambers responsible for the bulk of your erectile strength (another speculation/musing on my part). This is why low-to-modest gains are best, because you've only thickened your skin only so much, and can very much continue to feel the stiffness of your erectile chambers during Erection. Besides, gains as much as 0.5"-0.75" are game-changing for the vast majority of men, so why go overboard?

I should also iterate that despite acknowledging the loss of some (minor) rigidity the larger you go, it's still somewhat negligible as it hasn't adversely impacted my experience with intercourse. If anything, the width & weight alone makes up for what I consider a minor diminishment of rigidity (I have nearly 3+ inches in gains, so I'm an outlier and I suspect more normal guys seeking reasonable/practical goals ought to be alright.)

Despite my own gains, I still advocate Avanti Derma's stance on emphasizing "enhancement instead of enlargement," which is a philosophical approach encouraging modest gains with natural aesthetics, which also means little likelihood of any rigidity-loss. The enlargement mentality suffers (i.e. go as big as possible) from the fact that these procedures increase your size artificially, even if the gains are your own collagen -- this lends itself to loss of natural aesthetics, and like your question, possible impact on erectile rigidity.

As I stated in my opening sentence, it's too early to draw any conclusions on your Erection quality until you hit at least the 6 week marker. Good luck & happy healing.

Day 8...

Thanks SO. Look forward to what you hear from Avanti.

No changes on my end since last update. Results still look great, and measurements are unchanged.