TOPIC: Round 3 | Avanti PMMA Results 09/12/2023

I'm pretty frustrated. I'm now measuring at my starting stats before R3, resulting in what's presumably no gain. $5000 for no gain. Only 5cc's of 30% were used despite my asking for maximum volume with the understanding and acceptance that I'd return in the future for any aesthetic touchups if necessary, with the only goal for these first 3 rounds to be volume. Instead of being given volume, I was clearly treated for some minor aesthetic balancing in the base.

This is even more frustrating as I could've simply paid the $1800 for a touchup session instead and gotten my 5cc's of 30% in the base that way for $3200 less. That's what's really chapping me right now.

So that's about $10,000 between rounds 2 and 3 for a 1/4" gain. While I love Avanti, I feel like they completely ignored my requests for rounds 2 and 3, and treated me for cosmetics anyway knowing I was a member here and would post pictures. I didn't get what I paid for, asked for, or signed up for before I even went down there.

While I'm very happy with my penis after 3 rounds and would absolutely prefer what I have now over what I started with, especially from where I started from, the $10,000 between rounds 2 and 3 feel largely like a major waste of money.

I completely understand that results are not guaranteed, but volume comes from 30% injections, and that's what I asked for and paid for, but barely got any.

I'm a bit sour right now, almost entirely due to the money spent and what feels like completely ignoring my requests for what I paid for (Again, with the understanding not to worry about aesthetics, I was willing to pay for more in the future to fix anything, I just wanted volume).

$10,000 for 1/4" despite asking for maximum volume and getting aesthetic balances instead... I could have the same results from 2x touchup sessions and have $6000 back. I need to vent this.

NewMember wrote: I'm pretty frustrated. I'm now measuring at my starting stats before R3, resulting in what's presumably no gain. $5000 for no gain. Only 5cc's of 30% were used despite my asking for maximum volume with the understanding and acceptance that I'd return in the future for any aesthetic touchups if necessary, with the only goal for these first 3 rounds to be volume. Instead of being given volume, I was clearly treated for some minor aesthetic balancing in the base.

This is even more frustrating as I could've simply paid the $1800 for a touchup session instead and gotten my 5cc's of 30% in the base that way for $3200 less. That's what's really chapping me right now.

So that's about $10,000 between rounds 2 and 3 for a 1/4" gain. While I love Avanti, I feel like they completely ignored my requests for rounds 2 and 3, and treated me for cosmetics anyway knowing I was a member here and would post pictures. I didn't get what I paid for, asked for, or signed up for before I even went down there.

While I'm very happy with my penis after 3 rounds and would absolutely prefer what I have now over what I started with, especially from where I started from, the $10,000 between rounds 2 and 3 feel largely like a major waste of money.

I completely understand that results are not guaranteed, but volume comes from 30% injections, and that's what I asked for and paid for, but barely got any.

I'm a bit sour right now, almost entirely due to the money spent and what feels like completely ignoring my requests for what I paid for (Again, with the understanding not to worry about aesthetics, I was willing to pay for more in the future to fix anything, I just wanted volume).

$10,000 for 1/4" despite asking for maximum volume and getting aesthetic balances instead... I could have the same results from 2x touchup sessions and have $6000 back. I need to vent this.

Hey brother, I totally feel your frustration. Same thing happened to me. R1 was 22 cc's heavy on 30% and I got .75" of gain, aesthetics, no complications or nodules. Great experience. R2 was 18 cc's and I got another .5" of gains, no complications or nodules and great aesthetics. R3 however, i said the same thing about volume. I said give me all 20 cc's and we'll solve for aesthetics after volume with post procedure care and follow-on touchups. But they only gave me 15 cc's and mostly 10% solution. I got right about .25" of gains. That said, I know some guys that don't get any gains, or guys that focus so much on volume that they destroy their dicks. AD really does a good job at balancing safety, aesthetics, and volume.

Reach out to @briceb If I'm not mistaken, he got zero gains from one of his procedures and AD made it right for him. And then his next few procedures were big gains.

For the price, you won't be AD. And if you really got zero gains, give them a call. I'm not saying they'll 100% take care of you on pricing, but they've been known to really work with folks. Imagine the same thing happened and you went to another doctor. You would have spent $15,000+ vs $4500. You just can't beat AD for the quality and the care vs price. Give Ian a call and set up a post procedure chat. See what they say.

Hello,

I wish you had contacted me with this issue on my email or over the phone.
I'm sorry that you feel this way, I totally understand the goal to get as thick as possible and the frustration that comes when that goal has not been reached. We have always been transparent and informed all of our patients that after several sessions with large volumes, the capacity for growth is less and less as there is not enough space to grow. We can see this when Dr. Morales is working, and the filler starts to come out from the entry points so she decides to stop pushing the filler in order to prevent big lumps that might be very difficult to fix later on.
In this particular case, we are one week away from @NewMember last session and we still have to wait for the collagen formation process to be over ( 6 weeks) for Him to see his final results.
I only ask for him to wait this time frame and I invite him to contact me directly so I can keep helping him.

My best regards,
Ian

Ian,

Thanks for checking in! I'm sorry that I didn't come to you first, as I just assumed your response would be to wait 6 six weeks and see what happens. And I understand that this will be the response from most of the board as well until at least that mark. My post wasn't intended to do anything other than document my journey and how I currently assess the situation. I'm admittedly a little frustrated today. I love Avanti Derma and am pretty sure I've convinced a few new customers through DM's here on the board to go ahead and go through with the "leap of faith" and go see you guys. Still will!

I'll reach out to you in 5 more weeks Ian and let you know how things are going. In the meantime, thanks for taking the time to post today and know that it means a lot to me.

Hello @NewMember
There is a mistake in the original report; the volume used was 5cc x 30%, and 14cc x 10%, for a total of 19cc of the product.
Either way, we need to address your personal case and bring it to a satisfactory end; please remain in touch with Ian for the following steps.
DrC

Avanti has amazing customer service. I'd try and mentally shelve the frustration with gains or lack there of, wait the period, then see what they suggest.

Gains per session with almost any filler seem to vary a bit, even placement can affect that, or at least visually seems to. Be patient, they'll make it right! It's a process and at least it's quite safe.

And hi Dr. C! I hope you're well and enjoying your (semi) retirement!

Thank you very much @justn8
Best regards.

Where as I have not had a procedure with Avanti YET (I fully intend to), I have read every single progress report that was done by Avanti with PMMA on all the PhalloBoards 1,2&3. One thing I noticed being a recurring trend was that the 10% solution seemed to take a little longer than the 30% did in terms of reaching the end Girth growth. I could be completely wrong and am by no means an expert, but that is what I noticed on a number of different progress reports. Will it produce the same growth? No it won't, but it does seem to take a bit longer. One report that sticks out in my head was someone had an entire round of 20cc's strictly with 10% and was still seeing growth at 3 months out. Plenty of others with a majority of 10% also reported collagen growth far later than what 30% seemed to peak at.

Like everyone else has said and SO mentioned either in this thread or another, put the measurements aside, take a break from the board and come back in another 5 weeks with new measurements taken at that time. Just let nature, the PMMA and collagen do its job. It will be much less stressful, and your definitely in good hands with one of the best customer services you will find in this arena

Heal up my friend!!

Day 14...

Firstly thanks again to Ian and (wow!) Dr. C for your responses. Further testament to the outstanding care from Avanti. I really appreciate the feedback and support, it means everything.

So checking in today, largely unchanged dimensionally. Healing has been a great success and aesthetically my penis looks quite good. I'll report back in each week to report measurement updates.

I've gotten response from Avanti via email after turning in my results. I'll update with outcomes at a later date.

This seems to be a common theme. 2 years back someone posted here that round 2 gave no results

If you are paying thousands of dollars for something there better be results imo

Seems like after the first round the results are just a hit or miss, but mostly a miss

Im waiting for one day, when there is something that truly will give us a thicker and longer penis and not just the lucky few who have elastic penises and can grow them bigger with pumps and manual PE exercises

Unhung1 wrote: This seems to be a common theme. 2 years back someone posted here that round 2 gave no results

If you are paying thousands of dollars for something there better be results imo

Seems like after the first round the results are just a hit or miss, but mostly a miss

Im waiting for one day, when there is something that truly will give us a thicker and longer penis and not just the lucky few who have elastic penises and can grow them bigger with pumps and manual PE exercises

This isn't a common theme. If it was so common, why cite a case from 2 years ago?

If it helps dispel any bias, my 2nd round of PMMA yielded me very minimal gains as well. But as someone who has read every post ever written on this forum, I assure you this isn't a common occurrence.

The reality is that two things are likely at play (and possibly both) --> (1) Doctors will typically inject less volume in subsequent rounds, especially Avanti as their philosophy is about aesthetics and enhancement over sheer enlargement (this has been stated on the record by the now retired Dr. Casavantes of Avanti Derma), and (2) sometimes you just don't get the inflammatory response you'd hope for (i.e. bad luck).

There are other factors that could also impact gains (e.g. smoking, age, and so on), but diving into those variables would become even more speculative, so there is no point in trying to break them down here -- point is if you ever feel you are dissatisfied with your gains/results, simply reach out to Avanti Derma and communicate with them politely, and I am confident you'll get the solutions you're looking for.

My 2cents, but they are pretty pennies indeed.

From the photos I’m seeing his result looks really smooth, even, and nice. Even the glans look natural. I was never really considering glans enhancement but this makes me want it now.

When you are adding filler to a slightly uneven area a lot of it is going to fill in low spots. So when you measure at the widest points before and after you won’t see much gain. However, if you were taking the actual fluid volume measurement I’m sure the gain would be easier to measure.

It’s pretty clear op is upset but this seems to be a solid improvement from round 2 and if he wanted strictly tape measure results it would have been best to only fill in the widest areas and ignore the low spots, but no one wants a lumpy unit.

I have reached a favorable outcome with Avanti and will post an update soon, within the next couple of days.

Avanti responded to my email, and we reached an agreement to bring upon a satisfactory result. In the end, I'm quite happy with the result. This was the only time I needed "customer service" from Avanti, and I got it. I'm quite happy with the outcome, and have posted a new thread here:

phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports...pics.html#1308714982

Thank you everyone and especially Avanti for their support. Getting a major procedure like this on your penis and quite a risky and scary process, but Avanti made it all quite comfortable from day 1. In the end, I can not only enjoy my larger penis, but also feel confident in the long-term results and overall health of my penis from here.

In the thread listed above, I will continue to post updates and pictures, including before/after side by side comparisons of my erect penis from before round 1 to now after 4 rounds. The difference is quite substantial, and looks great.