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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 3 months ago #1308711029

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This thread will be used to track the progress of my treatment for 8ml of Ellanse at Androfill London.

After almost 2 years of planning this treatment, I will finally be receiving the filler next week!

So far my experiences have been great with Androfill and I can see that they are more concerned with the quality of outcome than getting large numbers through the door.

Over a year ago, I had a long phone consultation with Francis and was able to have a frank and honest discussion about the pros and cons of such a procedure.

I hope he doesn't mind me saying, but the fact that he has enough confidence in their treatments that he has had them himself helped ease many of my concerns.

I will update this report with before and after pictures and also a review of the treatment.

I will then update it periodically on a monthly basis to report how things are progressing.

Starting length: 6.5inches

Starting Girth-
Thickest (Mid-shaft): 5.5 inches
Thinnest: 5.2 inches
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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 3 months ago #1308711035

hey, im in London too and curious about going to that clinic, let me know about updates and how it goes! thanks and good luck!

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711370

Thanks! I do appreciate European updates, Sponsor or not really. Good luck!

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711460

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Hi have You any news?

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711462

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Hey, sorry that I have not updated the forum yet.

I did go ahead and have the procedure, but I am waiting on a conversation with Francis before posting my experiences and review.

I will post it shortly!

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711484

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As mentioned above I had the procedure.

Here is my review:

Androfill communication

Francis was great to speak to when available. He's extremely well informed and having had the procedure himself knew exactly how to help and what each stage would be like. I would think that him and Dr.Horn have the most expertise on this subject matter in Europe.

I'd have liked Francis to have been involved a lot more however.

After the procedure I found it quite difficult to get hold of someone via their WhatsApp. When I eventually did speak to Francis, things where great but, I would say that this aspect could be improved greatly.

I reached out 5 times and received one call in response. I havent received any response after my last 3 attempts, even after sending a picture of a small complication.

To be balanced, if I was more assertive and perhaps frantic in my communication, I think I would have received more attention. Unfortunately however, that's not in my nature. I do not feel comfortable having to plead or ask repetitively.

The procedure
I went to the London location which was easy to find.

Dr Horn conducted the procedure and during the pre-procedure consultation, he made no attempt to sell anything. He was even slightly dissuasive. I found this reassuring. For me, his professional manner provided reassurance of his competence. I don't want my surgeon to be a good salesman.

Once the paperwork was done, Dr Horn told me to apply numbing cream and wait for 20mins as there would be no local anesthetic.

He then measured my penis Girth and proceded to inject 8ml of Ellanse M using a canula.

I noticed that he placed almost all of the product in one small area, roughly a 1 Inch in length. This resulted in something that looked very strange. Almost as if I had a ring or a doughnut of filler on the shaft.

I was becoming extremely nervous when I saw this, having watched probably every video online of anything being injected into penises and never seen anything like it.

I decided to keep quiet and not question what was going on. I assumed he would probably mould it once injected and that maybe he used a different technique to other practitioners.

I was wrong. Once finished, he measured the 'doughnut' area and wrapped it and told me to mould at night.

I have read every post on this forum about PMMA and Ellanse, so I knew I would not be following that advise and that I would be moulding as soon as I got home, before any swelling obscured the filler placement.

After care

Once I got home and took a look at the result I became even more nervous. I am generally calm and stoic in the most difficult of times, but it was hard to keep composed when seeing my penis looking the way it did.

I had read a lot about after care and proceded to get to work molding profusely and aggressively.

I would mould every few hours and keep it extended at all times. Fortunately, I am Erect for most of the night naturally whilst sleeping too. I woke up every few hours to mould.

In the process of moulding so aggressively to try and fix the odd shape, I pushed a bit of filler past the circ scar. Although it was soft I could clearly see it was likley to cause a big Nodule.

I moulded so much that my penis became quite painful to touch and swelled to above 7inches in Girth. It was quite alarming at that stage whilst0 red and swollen.

After reaching out a couple of times Francis called me. He advised to keep it compressed and extended and stop with the moulding as it would cause swelling which wouldn't allow me to accurately see the filler placement.

This was great advise and I followed it. I made my own penis sleeve extenders from wrist support material, cut and sewed to size. I made them very tight to ensure the filler Nodule was spread whilst still malleable.

Nodule Result

The technique Francis recommended worked and I managed to reduce the Nodule. It's still there and now about the size of a pea. I can pinch it with two fingers. It isn't something that's obviously filler and doesn't bother me too much.

I know that i wouldn't have it if didn't mould so aggressively, but unfortunately it was necessary due to the initial placement or filler by Dr Horn.

Size Result

Unfortunately the doughnut injected area was the only place with a noticeable size increase from 5.5 inches to 6 Inch.

The thinnest area of my penis, further up the shaft remained the same size. That area is really the only reason I wanted the procedure.0

I now have a taper going from roughly 6inches near the base to about 5.2 inches near the circ scar. The size difference is noticeable enough that my partner mentioned it.

I have kept it a secret from her so I implied that it must be to do with the swelling caused by a penoscrotal webbing surgery I had a about 6 weeks before the Ellanse procedure.0

I am a little concerned that future partners will notice the unusual taper too. In my hand, holdiing either end the size difference is obvious. It has accentuated the thing I wanted to resolve.

On a side note: Those wondering if an Inch is that significant, it is. Its a huge difference..

Reflections
If I were to go back in time, I don't think I would do it again mostly because I was never that concerned about the Girth of the area near the base of my penis and would have preferred a thicker second half of the shaft. This is on balance of cost and results. If the procedure was more economical, I'd reconsider.

The Nodule doesn't bother me that much and isn't that noticeable whilst Erect.

In order to be completly content with the result I think I'd need another 4ml injected into the second half of the shaft, making the taper less obvious. I wouldn't do it however, as I don't think the cost justifys it.

I have reached out to androfil a few times since my conversation with Francis, but unfortunately I have had no call back.

Advise to others considering it

Despite my results, if you are in Europe I would still advise using Androfil (London only).

I don't think there is anywhere in Europe nearly as experienced or as safe.

One thing that gave me a lot of confidence was the reassurance from Francis that Dr Horn is a surgeon and willing to help 100% of patients with complications.

Tips
I would advise anyone going ahead with Androfil to be in close communication with Francis both prior and post procedure. I would also advise that you are particular about how the product is placed and don't assume that Dr Horn is placing it correctly. Ask questions if unsure about anything.

- Read and research a lot before your procedure
- Plan moulding and aftercare
- Ensure you have the correct aftercare equipment
- Buy antibacterial cream for the injection sites to reduce the chances of infection
- Don't mould too much as you will cause swelling that will obscure any nodules
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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711485

That’s a shame it wasn’t as you were expecting, thanks for the honest write up

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711494

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Another report where Gary Horn has apparently no idea how to place filler...

Just does not breed any confidence at all.

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711500

I was considering going for this procedure in the next month or so but after reading this I’m losing all confidence in this surgery, does anyone on here have any advice we’re else a person might go for good results as this place seems to be a waste of time and money, I’m even considering going to the U.S as the results seem a lot better over there.

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711503

A few observations for those who are on the fence with this Clinic, especially those who haven't actually been treated by Dr. Horn, Dr. Kimilu, or any other Androfill-trained practitioners.

I also know that for many of you, my opinions/observations may come from a place of bias, and that's a perfectly reasonable assumption, however what I'm about to share are in fact my honest assessments:

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(a) Androfill (and Dr. Horn) have been a Sponsor for nearly 4-5 years now, and in that time the majority of reports I've come across (be it the forum, PMs, and/or Email) are generally positive.

(b) Those who had less than stellar results were extended an opportunity by Androfill to correct it. Many of those cases have ceased discussing their issues since, leading me to believe an amicable solution was (more than likely) found.

(c) I have turned down or even prematurely terminated Sponsorships with Clinics that have a poor "turnover rate" (i.e. questionable practices and/or high frequency of negative reviews that aren't resolved with subsequent treatments). Androfill is not even remotely close to this threshold and I still consider them the best European outfit for male enlargement services, period.


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In TomJade123's comprehensive and thorough reporting, despite his overall reflections, it's worth noting that he states:
Despite my results, if you are in Europe I would still advise using Androfil (London only).

I don't think there is anywhere in Europe nearly as experienced or as safe.

One thing that gave me a lot of confidence was the reassurance from Francis that Dr Horn is a surgeon and willing to help 100% of patients with complications.



3.
I continue to look for European Clinics, both to generate healthy competition to Androfill and to expand options to my readership. That said, the difficulty remains in finding a Clinic that has the sheer volume, experience, and expertise like Androfill, as well as the array of services provides (including the popular Ellanse filler). This is why Androfill would be my first choice if I happened to live in Europe.

For those who may not already know this (especially newcomers), multiple appointments are not unusual for filler treatments. I'm not absolving the complaints found within this thread, I'm simply reminding men that these procedures are multi-step and it even took me 5+ appointments (including Revision work) over 3-4 years (if memory serves me correctly).

Lastly, I believe TomJade123 makes a good point in that staying in touch with Francis can reinforce the communication and planning necessary for a successful outcome long-term. I hope to see if I can get him to post here, although I'm not sure if this topic in particular is the most appropriate starting point. I'd like to see if I can get him to post about matters like: (a) What patients can do before a procedure; (b) how to communicate with Dr. Horn on expectations, but to know how to keep those expectations realistic; and (c) Aftercare and if it differs at all between Hyaluronic Acid (HA), Ellanse, etc.

Ultimately, you decide who you want to see, but a handful of recent mixed reviews in my opinion doesn't do Androfill justice given their vast portfolio of Male Enhancement services dating back at least 7-8 years. And if you plan on making multiple rounds, travel to the North America seems nonsensical if it's HA or Ellanse that you want, especially since Androfill has demonstrated their willingness to perform revisions (which often times are inevitable and happen in the U.S. just as often). Food for thought, and thanks to TomJade123's for his honest review.

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711504

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@Skeptical_One I'd be happy to do a thread on 3 a, b and c. I have learnt a lot from this forum so I'd be happy to contribute.

To reiterate your sentiment, my review was not intended to be negative. Its intention was to be as honest as possible.

As we have both mentioned, Androlfil seems the only reputable place in Europe that I would trust to inject anything into my penis that currently offers these services.

Fortunately my slight discontentment is with the aesthetics of my penis. Others, aren't so lucky and have to deal with complications and consequences which effect utility and health.

For full disclosure, I have an autoimmune condition and have an additional risk of an over reaction or even a significant infection due to regular treatment with immunosuppressive drugs.

Dr Horn had a conversation with me about my condition and I had full confidence that he understood my conditions and the risks from our conversation. He also advised additional measures to ensure that I don't get an infection. He was more aware of my condition than some of my GP's have been. He also discussed with me his treatment of severe disfigurements of other patients who chose to not go with reputable surgeon. He is extremely experienced in this regard and I doubt there are many urologists on earth that have done more procedures.

Francis (when he was available) was extremely knowledgeable. Although I have mentioned it twice already, I don't think I can emphasise how useful it is that he has had the procedure and lived with the product for years himself and has been through every stage of the aftercare.

In terms of the qualities required for both of their roles, I think they are great.

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711522

thelenght78 wrote: I was considering going for this procedure in the next month or so but after reading this I’m losing all confidence in this surgery, does anyone on here have any advice we’re else a person might go for good results as this place seems to be a waste of time and money, I’m even considering going to the U.S as the results seem a lot better over there.


Avanti Derma in Mexico. They are the best in the world.

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711528

@TomJade123 yes, it would be nice if you could chime in on the A, B, and C of Patient Before & After care. I'm also going to get in touch with Francis today or tomorrow to see what he can share in that respect.

@6x5to6x7 , in order to remain impartial I won't say any one Clinic is the best in the world, but as it presently stands, I can say with confidence that Androfill is the best phalloplasty outfit in Europe.

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711538

I’m not doubting Dr Horns work my concern is that tI states on there website with 8ml of filler in the average size member you should be looking at an half Inch increase in Girth so after 2 visits there should be realistically and one Inch increase, but in Tomjades case the only decent result he got was in the base and not the full shaft therefore I’m beginning to think are they doing this just to get you back just so you fork out a lot more money just so we can gain that extra Inch.
That’s just my opinion.

Also it would be great for someone to chime in and tell us what a wonderful experience they had at this clinic and how good the results are but I’m yet to witness this lately compared to the clinics overseas

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Androfill Ellanse M Report 1 year 2 months ago #1308711539

thelenght78 wrote: I’m not doubting Dr Horns work my concern is that tI states on there website with 8ml of filler in the average size member you should be looking at an half Inch increase in Girth so after 2 visits there should be realistically and one Inch increase, but in Tomjades case the only decent result he got was in the base and not the full shaft therefore I’m beginning to think are they doing this just to get you back just so you fork out a lot more money just so we can gain that extra Inch.
That’s just my opinion.

Also it would be great for someone to chime in and tell us what a wonderful experience they had at this clinic and how good the results are but I’m yet to witness this lately compared to the clinics overseas


That would be nice, and I agree. Unfortunately, since inception, 75% of this site's registration has never posted once. That doesn't take into account the number of visitors who peruse the forum without registration, which is 10x (or more) of those who have registered (and therefore can't or will not comment). Many are visitors who obtain the info they need, set their appointments and move on.

Of the remaining 25%, some are just inquiries or non-progress report commenters. What is left are the brave & bold, who provide an invaluable insight into these procedures. Couple these stats with the fact that Europe is a smaller market than North America and you can probably see why their reports are less common.

Not making excuses, this forum grows organically through the contributions of its users. I try my hand at SEO and other means to expand this site's awareness but I can only do so much to convince men to post.

By the way, 8mL does not guarantee a half-Inch of Girth. This will be both length-dependent and your body's collagen response. I've had less than a half-Inch of gain on 10mL (from one of my many rounds) of filler, so I know firsthand.

That said, I hope I can get Francis to reach out to former patients to see if they are willing to submit thorough progress reports with photos.

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