TOPIC: Alloderm then some problems...went to Belladerm

Also, the evenness will come about when I am no longer wrapping it. It is very even on the sides now...

Very nice hang Nomad.. As far as the lig cut, It just makes your flacid the same length as your Erect?

Wow you got a great result by those pics. I had the Alloderm with Dr. Reed, and not happy with how it came out. What you mentioned, came in 2 sheets, it separated and retracted, looks very uneven now. I think the problem for me came because of erections. The erections, or maybe even the Hanging I did right afterward probably broke the Sutures that were keeping the graft tacked down before it had a chance to really adhere and develop a good blood supply that would have kept it in place. May have to get mine taken out.

@Soma
Oops! I meant to say it is human donor tissue. My mind is not @ 100% at the moment. Obese persons undergoing reductions are generally good sources of said graft/tissue. I\'ve got a family member in ICU and other family issues going on right now. I\'m sure you can look overlook my stumble. . Soma is correct. Belladerm is from live donors.

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M7, No worries amigo! Thoughts and prayers for your family- Best,

1new Inch-
Lig cut + no Hanging = longer Flaccid and shorter erectLig cut + Hanging = longer both

RKC-
Only real solution is take it all out and call it a loss and poor decision or belly up to the bar and go for a Removal and Belladerm (or maybe puma although I do not know enough to endorse). No one knows how that works long terms yet.
Taking some or all out will look odd (I think). You are kind of committed. I say I would have pulled out completely. Reality is I never had a problem with girls. But once you are used to more...going back sucks.

Miracle 1-
Good luck with your family situation. Sorry to hear that.
Nomad1

nomad1 wrote: RKC-
Only real solution is take it all out and call it a loss and poor decision or belly up to the bar and go for a Removal and Belladerm (or maybe puma although I do not know enough to endorse). No one knows how that works long terms yet.
Taking some or all out will look odd (I think). You are kind of committed. I say I would have pulled out completely. Reality is I never had a problem with girls. But once you are used to more...going back sucks.

I\'d await to see the longer term results of Belladerm before suggesting it as superior to Alloderm. I know of the Dr\'s has already stopped using Belladerm. One of our members (candybars) has got the same problems with it starting to feel stringy etc, that many with Alloderm complained of. LondonLad did a lot of research on dermal matrix implants and concluded that they are likely to absorb after 2-3 years, but hopefully by then tissue would have grown into them, which will remain. This seems to be the case for a alot of guys, but also there are many that report their gains significantly decrease after 2 or 3 years or even less. I think Dr Rosenthal is a good surgeon, but we can tell from what others have reported in the past, that he is definitely one of those guys that is prepared to bend the truth. He can\'t have a clue what long term Belladerm results are like, but given the diminishing reputation of Alloderm, it\'s easy to see why he\'d say it\'s much better and thicker etc.

Hoddle10-
Hoddle10 is right. In fact all these procedures are new, unproven and not entirely safe. PMMA fits this bill just the same. Therefore, no one will know for quite some time how this will turn out. However, unless you have gone through what RKC and I did with Alloderm (and you may have for all I know)...there comes a time when you have to fix it. Status quo was just unacceptable. For me, there was no waiting any longer...I had problems and they needed to be fixed so I could get on with my sex life.

nomad1 wrote: Hoddle10-
Hoddle10 is right. In fact all these procedures are new, unproven and not entirely safe. PMMA fits this bill just the same. Therefore, no one will know for quite some time how this will turn out. However, unless you have gone through what RKC and I did with Alloderm (and you may have for all I know)...there comes a time when you have to fix it. Status quo was just unacceptable. For me, there was no waiting any longer...I had problems and they needed to be fixed so I could get on with my sex life.

There is another issue here as well though, which is fixing it can lead to real problems also. I\'ve got first hand experience of this, as after over a decade, I decided to have the fat (I had FFT in 1997) removed. But when the fat came out it took some of the fascia with it and now the shaft skin doesn\'t move freely. Gary Alter has written about the same thing happening with dermal matrix grafts like Alloderm/Belloderm. Correcting a damaged fascia is actually pretty difficult and not always successful. Lasttime also had this happen to him when his Elist implant was removed. Alter basically recommends that unless there is severe deformity to just leave it. I felt as if I had to fix it, as you did with your Alloderm, but now I\'m left with other problems that are maybe even worse!

In my opinion, I\'d avoid surgery altogether. If, like me, you are apprehensive about the longer terms results of PMMA (which is non surgical), then wait a few years and see what happens. But personally I don\'t think anyone should have surgery. There are obviously many success stories with Alloderm, Belloderm, Dermal Grafts, FFT, PLGA scaffolds and even some with the Elist implant. But over all the numbers just aren\'t high enough and I\'ve concluded that surgery and the penis just don\'t mix at all well. I tired of reading depressing stories, or receiving PM\'s from guys who feel devastated by the effects of surgery gone wrong. I honestly think that in the longer term (3 years +) less than 50% of guys are happy with the results of their surgery and many feel like their lives have been destroyed because of it. When you think of how the penis works, the importance of good blood flow, nerves and sensation it makes sense that it is an organ that is highly susceptible to damage during the surgical and healing process.

I\'m really pleased you\'ve had such a great result, but personally I really hope it doesn\'t inspire others to follow you under the knife.

Hoddle10-
I will second Hoddle10. I HAD TO get a Revision. It came out great (so far). If I could go all the way back to ground zero I probably would. While it works, it feels great. But unless you are REALLY small I would really think twice. Anyone who sees my result, please proceed with caution. The unfortunate thing is that if people stop getting procedures done, they will not improve. I hope PMMA works long-term. I just could not let this part of my life continue as it was. I needed some sense of normalcy. Its big and it looks awesome. Girls will love it. Girls respond to such things. It gives you more confidence. I can go on and on. But as only RKC, Hoddle, myself and others can attest to...it is no walk in the park and something can go wrong. If it goes wrong it won\'t necessarily be in the first few years either.
If mine stays like this or even stays even and reabsorbs by 20-30% I will be happy and count my blessings. Surgery is psychologically quite a trip. I won\'t say it is very painful or what have you. But it makes you focus A LOT on your penis. When you want to just be a regular person...but wait...oh you have to hang a 10lb weight from your Dick...you do feel a bit moronic. Not that you are...just a bit of an emotional roller coaster. Sorry so negative, but Hoddle is right. I want this to be a \"the good\" and \"the bad\" thread. It is not intended to encourage or discourage. I just want guys that go after me to be more informed than I was. I am investing in this forum to help people and I hope my thread is doing that. Thanks for introducing the other side of the equation Hoddle10.

nomad- how are things working out?

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Rondo-
I would say great, but not actually. It has been yet another emotional roller coaster. Dr. R thinks all is well, and perhaps it will work out to be. Just had some problems after trying to use the Grip. Long story short I am STILL wrapping and now using a 1 lb weighted sleeve to try to get full attachment. Feels stringy at top. That said, I was just expecting a lot quicker recovery and no stringiness. However, you get a little hyper attentive down there so I may be being a bit dramatic. Though anyone in my shoes would feel stressed like I was. Everything is looking much better now, but it looked that way before I used the Grip so I am just going to go real, real, real slow. I talk to Dr. R on and off and exchange pics, etc.
I eat really well. Ok I do drink.
The Girth you see post-op does not stay...a lot of that is swelling. That said it is 5\"+ Flaccid Girth. I am not sure but I think that is .75\" above where it was and I do not expect to lose much from here. It looks a lot better than the original, but after multiple surgeries and then having to really nurse it this time I think I wish I never started or just stuck to conventional/non-surgical methods. But I didn\'t! So I will keep letting it heal and kind of go with the flow. I will write again and be more specific. And yes I am ready to have sex in a big way.
I cannot say I am a fan or not of Bella. I am more of a fan than Alloderm because it wraps all the way around, feels better and is thicker. Just the stringiness and adhesion issues...
Thanks for checking in.
Nomad1

Glad things are going better Nomad. Your pics look great by the way, I hope everything keeps going well for you. I had to take a break from the boards for a while due to health issues, but I\'m back and trying to take another shot at getting my situation finally taken care of.