TOPIC: Edupd's Progress Report

S2 + 7days

Measurements
Pre-S2
S2 + 3 days
S2 + 7 days
Net Gain
Pre-S1
S1 + 7 daysNet Gain
EL
6.25\"
5.75\"
6.0\"
-.25\"
6.25\"
6.25\"0\"
EG
5.5\" base
4.875\" mid
4.5\" neck
7\" base
5.5\" mid
5.125\" neck
6.625\" base
5.375\" mid
5\" neck
1.125\" base
.5\" mid
.5\" neck
5.4\" base
4.6\" mid
4.4\" neck
5.75\" base
5\" mid
4.625\"neck.35\" base
.4\" mid
.225\" neck
FL
4.5\"
5\"
5\"
.5\"
4.5\"
4.75\".25\"
FG
4.25\"
5\"
5\"
.75\"
4.0\"
4.375\".375\"

Observations:

The swelling is almost gone from the neck and mid-shaft region but the base still feels pretty sponging around the sides and back.Bruising on the neck is almost gone but the bruising around the sides of the base is still there. It\'s getting better each day but it\'s definitely taking longer than the first time. This could be because of the considerable increase in PMMA during S2 or the lack of diligence on my part with applying the Traumeel to that region as it was too close to the injection points.
Aesthetics are still pretty good as it becomes less swollen. It looks like I\'ll have a slight ridge at the top of the PMMA on the left side of the neck. We\'ll see how it progresses. The ridges at the base that I had noticed during the first session don\'t appear to be nearly as prominent this time. Probably because of the added PMMA beneath this region (down towards the scrotum). The injection points are no longer sore and I can rigorously massage them if needed but I don\'t appear to have much of any firmness underneath them to worry about.
I wasn\'t really \"into it\" this evening while trying to measure so I can definitely say that the EQ wasn\'t up to par, as such I\'m not entirely surprised to see the reduction in midshaft measurement. It was tough to maintain any sort of hardness to get a good measurement. I\'ll try to remember to measure again in a week.

great spread sheet EDUP! do remember that post / days is still very very early. mine looked at little funky last time round but 4-6 weeks later very happy!

Real quick update at the +14 day mark...

6.75\" base
5.375\" mid
5.25\" neck

Over the past couple of days I\'ve been developing more swelling in the neck above the circ line on the left side where most of the product was placed. I\'m not entirely sure why there\'s this re-emergence of swelling occurring but looking back on my recovery from session 1 I also found some amount of swelling occurring around the 2-3 week mark. Since I received so much more product in the neck this time perhaps this is the same thing. We\'ll see how it develops over the next week.

I\'m also developing a good sized \"knot\" about the size of a marble on the right side of the base just below the crease. There\'s also some amount of swelling around that area, similar to what I\'m experiencing on the neck.The base region was very smooth up until a few days ago when it started to form this bump but I\'ll just keep massaging it and see if it dissipates at all. If not, then I\'ll need some fill-in around it to balance things back out.

All bruising disappeared about 4-5 days ago and the only pain I feel is after I\'ve given that lump a good going-over.

Next update in a week when I\'ll do another chart to compare my +3 week results with S1.

Thanks for the update! Look forward to the chart! I wasn\'t brave enough to monitor my size gains/losses on a week-to-week basis because of the fear of letting myself down if I had measurable losses in size. I\'m positive I did gradually lessen in Girth until a \"stopping point\" after each round, but at least I\'ll never know how much of a loss that was. It was a kind of peace-of-mind thing for me, which is why I consider your documentation much braver!

After my 2nd session, I had some swelling after having sex. This sex was almost 8 weeks post 2nd session! (swelling was very minor right after the injection and it disappeared in a couple of days after). Also, I did notice that a small lump suddenly emerged after the sex. My conclusion is that sex had forced a small amount of PMMA to clump up a bit and then it got moved a bit from its original location due to the sex act. Although to me this does not make sense since we have been told that PMMA will pretty much settle in its final position a few days (48 hrs?) after injection. I believe that most of the PMMA DOES settle down in a few hours but some times some of it does not \"stick\" and if the right force is applied it may move a bit.....This is pure speculation on my part due to my own experience!

S2 + 21days

Measurements
Pre-S2
S2 + 3 days
S2 + 7 days
S2 + 21 days
Net Gain
Pre-S1
S1 + 21 daysNet Gain
EL
6.25\"
5.75\"
6.0\"
6.25\"
0\"
6.25\"
6.25\"0\"
EG
5.5\" base
4.875\" mid
4.5\" neck
7\" base
5.5\" mid
5.125\" neck
6.625\" base
5.375\" mid
5\" neck
6.5\" base5.375\" mid5.25\" neck
1\" base
.5\" mid
.75\" neck
5.4\" base
4.6\" mid
4.4\" neck
6\" base
5.375\" mid
4.75\" neck.6\" base
.775\" mid
.375\" neck
FL
4.5\"
5\"
5\"
5\"
.5\"
4.5\"
4.75\".25\"
FG
4.25\"
5\"
5\"
5\"
.75\"
4.0\"
4.5\".5\"

Observations:

The swelling on the left side of the neck has been reducing the past few days after its flare-up at week 2, but it\'s left a ridge of material under it. I suppose you could call it \"half a ring\" as it starts left of center and wraps right around to the back side. If this is the same thing that happened to the top of the shaft after the first session then the ridge should soften and become more gradual.
The \"knot\" that I had described on the right side of the base has been reducing in size and was likely more swelling than anything. I\'ll keep an eye on it and see how it progresses.
Size-wise it\'s been pretty steady at 5.375\" mid-shaft so it\'ll be interesting to see how it progresses from here.

Just another quick update at the +5 week mark after session 2. Things continue to improve aesthetically as the swelling in the new collagen formation begins to dissipate.

The ridge on the left side of the neck is still there but I work at it a bit each day and its continued to soften and become less prominent. If it\'s anything like that ridge I formed on the top of the shaft after session 1 it will eventually blend in quite well.

The larger lump that I had forming on the right side of the base has also settled a bit and no longer feels so unnatural when palpated. It was never visible at any point since the skin there is much thicker than up higher on the shaft.

Size-wise I\'ve lost a bit from week 3 through week 5. I\'m down to 5.25\" mid-shaft, so an 1/8\" of an Inch lost so far. Hopefully that will be about it. After session 1 I lost about an 1/8\" midshaft from week 6 to week 12 (when it finally plateaued) so with any luck I can hold on to at least a 5.125\" midshaft long-term. This\'ll mean a .25\" gain midshaft over session 1 which is less than I\'d hoped, and calculated, but I believe I received much more PMMA in the neck and base than I had in session 1. Both the neck and base number are substantially higher than my results at this time in session 1 so all-in-all, not a bad result.

I\'m going to be back down in SD this summer on business and plan to have S3 done at that time. Another full session will be in order I think. With a more balanced delivery (versus more in neck and base) I should be able to hit 5.5-5.625\" at mid-shaft. A forth session is possible as I would still like to hit that 5.75\" mark eventually, but that likely won\'t be until late fall or early next year, if at all.

I also just ordered my VacADS and plan to begin stretching as soon as it arrives (probably another 2 weeks due to intl shipping). I work at home at my desk all day so I\'ve rigged up a small pulley/weight system that\'ll allow me to sit and pull straight forward and a little up for extended periods of time.

I may also drag my pump out of storage. I haven\'t used it in about 8 years so hopefully the seals aren\'t fried. One thing I noticed after session 2 is that the shaft skin was very tight when fully Erect at the 5.375\" point and I wonder if I will have enough elasticity to allow for a larger Girth beyond that point.

Before too much time elapses I wanted to get my 6-week measurements at least up here even if I don\'t have enough time to do a pretty table again.

base 6.25\"
mid 5.25\"
neck 5.125\"

I\'m already past week 7 and the only difference I\'m seeing now is the neck which is now just a sixteenth over 5\". Even at 6 weeks I still had a small amount of swelling on the left side of the neck where a mass of PMMA had settled. I\'ve continued to knead it each day and the mass has already started to break up and is not quite as noticeable when Erect (not really visible while Flaccid).

I feel that I\'ve hit my initial plateau and now have the 3-4 months of glacial Atrophy that cost me another 1/8\" after session 1. We\'ll see how things go over the next few months.

I started Hanging earlier this week and have already noticed a 1/4\" gain in Flaccid but nothing in Erect length. I\'m sure if I were to stop now that 1/4\" would disappear PDQ. I\'ve got a pretty sweet rig here that allows me to hang while seated at my desk so I can do it for 2-3 hours a day without much inconvenience (minus the fact I have my pants down around my knees the whole time). I\'ve started with a 2lb weight and it\'s totally comfortable. I figure I\'ll use it for a month or so and step up to a 5lb. I tried Hanging a 10lb just to test the pulley system I have rigged up and I don\'t think the VacADS can handle that much weight as it started to pull off almost immediately. I\'m hoping for 3/4\" extra length before July when I go back for round 3. We\'ll see how things go. I may have to move up to a BIB Hanger eventually.

Well, session 3 is in the bag!

I didn\'t have time to write a final post-S2 write up before leaving and my internet here as been absolute crap but I\'ll try to summarize...

I had S2 back the end of January so my 4.5 month final measurements, as taken earlier this week, were (in red):


S2 + 4.5 months

Measurements
Pre-S2
S2 + 3 days
S2 + 7 days
S2 + 21 days
S2 + 6 weeks
S2+4.5 months
Net Gain
Pre-
PMMA
Total Gain
EL
6.25\"
5.75\"
6.0\"
6.25\"
6.25\"
6.375\"
.125\"
6.25\"
.125\"
EG
5.5\" base
4.875\" mid
4.5\" neck
7\" base
5.5\" mid
5.125\" neck
6.625\" base
5.375\" mid
5\" neck
6.5\" base
5.375\" mid
5.25\" neck
6.25\" base
5.25\" mid
5.125
neck
6.125\" base
5.25\" mid
5\" neck
.625\" base
.375\" mid
.25\" neck
5.4\" base
4.6\" mid
4.4\" neck
.725\" base
.65\" mid
.6\" neck
FL
4.5\"
5\"
5\"
5\"
5\"
5.25\"
.75\"
4.5\"
.75\"
FG
4.25\"
5\"
5\"
5\"
5\"
4.75\"
.5\"
4.0\"
.75\"



Observations:
The lump on the left side of the neck continued to dissipate over the duration and was only really noticeable if you pulled the skin down while Erect. Otherwise, it would just blend in with the glans.A small divot formed on the right side of the base but was only visible if you pulled the skin up while Erect. No other issues with lumps, irregularities, or aesthetics. What I did notice however is that the skin is not as elastic as it used to be which means that it doesn\'t move up and down over the shaft as much as it used to while Erect. This has caused an increase in sensation since there is more friction while in action. From my experience, I\'d put this in the plus category.

S3 + 4 hours

My session kicked off at 11am on Friday and left the office at 1pm. I didn\'t get back into my hotel room in SD until 4pm. The border was the worst I\'ve seen it. I would advise against going on Friday\'s if you\'re not staying in TJ. My driver, whom I\'ve had before, recommended Tuesday and Thursday if you want to avoid the worst days of the week at the border.

My initial measurement immediately after unwrapping at the hotel were:

7\" base
6\" mid
5.5\" neck

I received a total of 21cc of metacril this time. 6cc of 10% (4 in the neck and 2 in the lower backside of the base) and 15cc of 20% (mostly in the shaft with some in the base). That brings my total to an even 60cc. I was hoping for more this round (at least as much as I had in S2) but the skin around the mid-shaft was becoming very taught and the glans were looking almost disproportionately small in contrast to the ballooning shaft.

Injections were done through two basal points each about 1\" from center and just on the fatpad side of the crease.

We also agreed that we should try to get the base and mid-shaft numbers closer together so less emphasis was put on the base. When compared to the distribution of the 24cc\'s I\'d had in January a lot of that ended up all around the base while this time most of the 20% ended up in the shaft. Hopefully this will net out to another 3/8\" which will put me over the 5.5\" mid-shaft mark.

If I do have to come back for a 4th session it will most likely just be for touch ups as I don\'t really think I could go much bigger without stretching the skin out first through pumping.

The bruising this time is much worse than S2, probably more like S1. Wade let me know before I left the office that this would in all likelihood be the case as they had real struggles breaking through the old material. It\'s black and blue in spots on both sides from base to neck but probably worst on the right side of the neck. This area was one of the few areas to bruise after S2 so that\'s not surprising.

For post-care I\'m just doing what I did last time, which is massage the hell out of it for the first 3 days and then at least a 4-5 times a day for the next week and then at least twice a day after that.

I started taking arnica 7 days prior and will continue until the bruising is gone. I\'ll also start using the Traumeel cream once I get home tonight. I would have liked to have stayed one more night but I had to get back so I\'ll only have given it 24 hours before boarding. Not optimal but my seats are right at the back near the lav so I can check on things a couple times during the two flights.

I also restarted my daily 250mg of CoQ10 last week and have increased it to 500mg for the next 6 weeks. I\'ll drop back down to 250mg from 6weeks to 4 months and see how it goes after that.

I\'ll post up another update on the 3 day mark to start comparing from post-S2 numbers.

Thanks for the update,
Curious, do you think waiting much longer between sessions made your unit more difficult to work on? I wont have my Round 4 until Fall and my Round 3 was last fall, making it almost a whole year between sessions. Some suggested waiting out a longer time is better, but from your report it begs the question on whether or not (too much) time has a negative impact on how effective the procedure is. Your thoughts?

I\'m sure it doesn\'t help but what they appreciate is the fact that they know exactly what they\'re dealing with when there is a long duration between visits. When the patient rushes back in within 6 weeks they are kinda like layering more paint on top of wet paint. They are having to guess what is needed and where. When the final results are already achieved (4+ months) then it\'s easier to correct problem areas since everything is settled (or at least 90% settled).

Also, the product has less of a tendency to move around when it\'s more fibrous, but it is a real bitch to get injected.

I\'m definitely bruised worse than I was on the first session and definitely the second. Wade did tell me to expect this and I imagine that a 4th will be just as much fun since there\'d be even more product to punch through.

I just got home from my 10 hour evolution of airports and airplanes. I don\'t wrap since I\'ve never found it effective and made more problems than it solved so this time I took a couple pieces of the gauze they send you home with and rolled into a bunting pad that I taped at the base sitting on top of the scrotum. This kept the penis from folding flat up against the scrotum while seated for so long and seems to have worked. I didn\'t have nearly as much bunched up material at the base like the last two times.

I also wear shorts so I can covertly reach up the leg hole and tug the head every so often to keep it from accordioning up and causing issue with the product just below the glans.

I still had plenty of swelling and displacement along the shaft though so I\'ve got to get horizontal and try to massage some of this down.

S3 +3days

Well, I had a pretty good 3 day update almost ready and then the forum software decided it would rearrange the table I\'d prepared and I\'m not about to start over. You don\'t realize how good vbulletin forums are until you have to use something else. Blech!

So here\'s the basic version...

6.75\" base
5.75\" mid
5.375\" neck

The swelling and bruising is dissipating much faster than the two previous sessions. It might be the arnica (since I started earlier with it) or maybe its the difference between metacril and new plastic. No idea why the change really but the color is much better now even compared to first thing this morning.

I can\'t stress enough how important it is to really pay attention to bumps and lumps during this first week. Case in point, I was fine last night but by this morning I had a bump about the size of a grain of rice forming on the top of the shaft. I was able to knead it smooth again but I could see how someone could easily miss it allowing it to become a permanent problem if left for another day or two. I\'ve got a few other areas around the backside of the base and in the crease region that I\'m keeping an eye on as well but this is no different from last time. With the dynamic nature of PMMA much of the responsibility for the final outcome lays on the shoulders of the patient to make sure the shit stays in place long enough to settle.

Aesthetics are still pretty good around the neck and glans and if it weren\'t for my natural curve to the left it would be totally symmetrical. As it is, it looks like I have more product on the left side of the neck but I don\'t really. It\'s just the glans leaning in that direction.

Double-post

S3 +7days

I only have time enough for a quick update again but I wanted to at least get my measurements up before I forget them.

6.625\" base
5.625\" mid
5.125\" neck

The swelling is almost completely gone as is evident by the further loss of Girth from top to bottom. There is only isolated pockets of swelling remaining around the base. The bruising was completely gone this morning too.

I have a few hard spots around the base and around the circ line where they had difficulties punching through the old product. This could be swelling, new product, or mulched old product.

I believe he may have broken up much of the old product on the left side of the neck as it seems to actually be less prominent than before this last session.

Aesthetics at this point are probably about as good as they were at S2+7days which is before the collagen growth starts and begins to smooth out the appearance. I\'m still continuing to take 1500-2000mg of VitC and 500mg of CoQ10 so hopefully this will help to maximize the growth.

The next few weeks will be very interesting.