TOPIC: Keep in mind ...

Good list but ...

How did you come up with these? I personally don\'t agree with 5, 6, 7, and 8.

5) Women care about a lot more then penis size. For the vast majority of women you just need to be in the range in terms of penis size.

6) Where did this come from? I don\'t get it? Maybe you\'re suggesting they forget. Oh well... so be it.

7) A baby\'s head is probably over 10\" circumference. No penis that big would ever fit.

I\'ve never met a woman who wanted pain with her pleasure. That doesn\'t mean there are those who do. I get that. But it means that statement 8 is overstated.

CPW

Actually most women cheat for emotional reasons. You are right about the loneliness, but it is not due to the size of their partner\'s penis.
That may be the reason for a very small number of women, but is not the reason for most.


Also, I think you are incorrect in assuming that since a woman can pass a baby through her vagina, she would want something very large for pleasure. You have seen a woman in childbirth, right? That look on their face is pain, not pleasure.

you\'d feel different about # 5 if you had the lumps and nodules. Yes, there are naturally ugly dicks, but there are no natural dicks with 6-8 frozen peas inside of them. Women (and gay men) are going to be concerned about a partner who has a lumpy Dick unless they are so drunk and slutty that they don\'t even notice.

For starters on research ...

blogs.webmd.com/sexual-health-sex-matter...ecomes-pleasure.html

And Restoration, I try to be empathic but not for self-pity. A little research on how many women buy dildos with lumps and serrations?

@jogift: I get that there are women out there who combine pain with pleasure. I just don\'t think it\'s the majority. That said, I know I\'m in a 30 plus year relationship so my personal experience is limited. I just don\'t buy into the whole \"50 shades of grey\" bullshit. That\'s not to say we\'re into only vanilla.

If you really love someone then why would you want to cause them pain? And if someone really loves themselves then why would they want or let someone to hurt them? Doesn\'t make sense to me...

And one article doesn\'t count as research. I don\'t have counter research but I don\'t need to. No interest in hurting my wife. My kids, I hope, would have the same response to their wives and husbands. Just saying...

CPW

And Restoration, I try to be empathic but not for self-pity. A little research on how many women buy dildos with lumps and serrations?

I\'m gay, jofigt. I\'ve stated this in about 100 posts. Gay men know Dick...ok? There is no self pity here. I would never hook up with someone who had a bunch of lumps in their Dick - and the same goes for all gay men. The majority of sex is oral. Nobody wants lumps in their mouth. I don\'t care what dildos women buy. Gay men aren\'t interested in a lumpy Dick. Besides, women know what the anatomy should be like. We had a member here catching his GF googling \"lumpy penis\" in the past.

Can your elaborate on your \"Self pitty\" comment? Are you referring to my open oozing wound for 2 months when my Nodule was removed? Self pity by smalljay for having being botched by Avanti\'s aftercare protocol? and Jewdub\'s mess ? This is not \"self pity.\" We were all fucked up. Fact.

Anyway, I just got two blow jobs tonight. So much for \"self-pity\". What I went through this summer was fucking torture. Fact. Not \"self pity.\" It\'s over now. Also, Fact. And, the word you want is \"empathetic\" not \"empathic\" - this isn\'t star trek the next generation, and you are not deanna troi. Regardless, you\'re lacking in knowledge and \"empathy\" - so don\'t post until you know what you\'re talking about.

Your number 5 is way off. It would be a little like going down on a woman with lumps in her vagina, and saying to yourself - that\'s a little odd, but no biggie, and keep on eating, lol - there are naturally ugly dicks, but lumps usually aren\'t on the menu.

I think most of these are way off base. It seems like there\'s been a lot of pseudo intellectual nonsense on this board recently. Some of these newer posters are just a bit off...

And, the word you want is \"empathetic\" not \"empathic\" - this isn\'t star trek the next generation, and you are not deanna troi.

-lmao

Thanks so much for correcting my English. I appreciate.

Two points of note:

1) Though notwhatiusetobe and honkydory are using terms to describe newcomers, be reminded that they come on research, at the end of which they have to make decisions. Research does not need conjecture, opinions and way out posts mingled with the \"scientific\" data. I have advocated \"a little research\" several times in the forums but contributors don\'t take the time to verify or analyse deeply. We will give more meaningful information when we make sure of what we post.

2) We are \"empathetic\" when we read those posts that tell a sad story. But in research we are looking for figures, statistics, actual reports etc. After reading these sad stories, guys still go for the procedures! This simply means that after the subtle and diplomatic \"empathy\" no one really gives a shit about the sad stories. There is gratitude for the openess, honesty and reaching out that the posts were in fact made and has an important effect on decision making, but the \"empathetical\" interlacing of the threads is making research somewhat difficult.

Sorry for hurting anyone guys, but some of us are just open,direct and sometimes hard ...

What is the purpose of this thread?

A few things one can keep in mind whilst making decisions. All my points based on surveys, studies etc. But I thiink guys go off context, don\'t try to read within the tone of the text and are somehow thin-skinned.

I jumped into the vat with great expectations but after reading quite a bit of threads, the last two paragraphs of Derstennerner\'s post sumarises what I\'m feeling now

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/dr-...69096?pid=1290566725

Sometimes we may need to review why we want to do what we are about to do, whether it was really worth it, whether there might have been better alternatives and for whom we need the final effects etc. These kind of reviews can come up several times in a research. I expect the board to know and be tolerant of these innuendos that can affect or even change the direction of a research.

I should apologies if I may be too blunt for the members (I am having negative reputations and don\'t know if from moderators or members).

Sorry guys ...

So there\'s this guy eating out a chick and he starts pulling small little pieces of stuff out of there, like a little carrot, some peas, a chunk of potato, and he asks, are you sick? She said, oh, not at all, but the guy before you was!

drumroll please

I think hard lumps are bad, but soft lumps could be veins and such, and look ok too. If someone wanted a lumpy session, they make condoms built for that.

Anyway, jog fit, I gleaned from your first post that even after all your personal beliefs you stated about dicks and sex and this type of surgery, that you still will consider doing it. I risked it and since it\'s only been 3 days since, I\'m still in the process of evaluating if it was worth it. So far I\'m thinking yes, and good luck to you in your decision.

I liked your last post to get your rep up - even though you called me honky in your prior post

1) The realistic expected gain in invasive PE is proportional to the original penis size. If a 6\" base increases to 7\" then expected base for 4\" is 7/6 X 4 = 4.7\".

Invasive PE as in grafts or implants? Or were you referring to fillers? Not sure what you mean here.


2) Risk of complications is proportional to the ratio of injected volume to that of original penis volume.

I\'m not sure if its\'s established as fact that such proportional relationship exists (although it seems plausible), but keep in mind you are at risk for complication the moment you get your first needle prick. Other factors that could be worth noting are number of visits, brands used, instrumentation, experience of physician, etc. Any number of factors can increase your chances for complications. This is true for virtually any PE method.


3) No practioner has yet mastered the art of PE procedures.

Well this is an opinion so not much to add here.


4) For as long as injectorate is in your body, there is the risk of reaction with ordinary medication.

Not sure about other fillers, but I don\'t believe there is any established risk of taking medication while having PMMA inside of you. I don\'t recall ever being told I couldn\'t take certain medications. Correct me if I\'m mistaken.


5) There are many \"naturally ugly\" dicks. Post operatives need not bother about \"lumps\", \"nodules\" and \"looks\" of their little guys. Only EQ and size matter to women.

Ya...no. As others have chimed in, lumps and nodules, depending on size & location, can certainly be a problem. Imagine having it mistaken for an STD or deformity. That said, I do believe one could get away with very subtle aesthetic irregularities like unevenness or hard-to-see ridges. Depends really.

Also, I wouldn\'t say that EQ & size are the ONLY thing that matter to women. I\'d imagine there are women out there who prefer an aesthetically \"beautiful\" unit, although it\'s probably not high on most of their penis-priority list lol. There is much debate in this, but I\'d venture to say that EQ and stamina trump most all other penile attributes.


6) You are big only for the first one or two times. After this you are just as any other average guy to her.

I imagine this really depends on the woman. But I do imagine that if size wasn\'t a big priority for her, a big unit will lose its novelty sooner than later.


7) Whilst you stay the same, she can accomodate any size up to a baby\'s head. She needs only prepare herself for the initial pain - as she did when a virgin.

This is a bit misleading. Sure she can accommodate a baby\'s head, but this is an extreme scenario, and it wouldn\'t mean she\'s READILY accommodating circumferences that big. And there isn\'t just initial pain, there can be pain all throughout the sex. Women can and will adapt, but for the guys looking to upgrade in size, anticipate more lube & foreplay.


Women love pleasure mingled with pain.

As with #6, depends on the woman. Some don\'t like the pain, some like it mingled with pain, and others love be slapped and spit on lol. Just depends on who you\'re dealing with.


9) There are always those guys bigger than yourself. High probality she already met some before you ( unless you knew her as a virgin) and she will most likely never tell you. Where next??? ( I know I will still do PMMA!!!)

Right, and you could be her biggest and she will still tell you she\'s had bigger.

While you raise some interesting points, one theme I notice throughout your list is a lot of presumption with women and their tastes. Just like us guys have varying preferences, so too do women. Interestingly enough though, what women do share in common with penises is that a good majority may in fact be content with girths far below 6\" in circumference (based largely on anecdotal evidence like sex toy purchases, forums, and surveys, but worth considering).

Good luck.