TOPIC: Dr. Loria girth enhancement process results

Tutti wrote: This guy seems very suious to me. No one would get anything injected into their penis without knowing what it was. Who is that stupid?

I\'m a member of 2 silicone enhancement groups. Some do look very good. But most go too far and no longer like a normal penis. But everyone who does it is aware of the severity of the possible complications, which Hoodie pointed out.

I don\'t think it\'s responsible to advertise these procedures on general Phalloplasty forums, as it only takes one or two nice looking results and then others will start to see it as a viable option.

Silicone migration, hard lumps and rings are very real possibilities. It can also burn through the skin.

Silicone was banned in US for a reason and I think it\'s irresponsible to discuss it here. The yahoo groups I\'m a member require a application before joining. Anyone can read this forum.

Ok so let\'s play your silly game for a second. Why don\'t you tell me the exact ingredients that are used in a common hotdog. I want to know since no one would ever consume a freekin hotdog after all without knowing the exact chemical composition of each food used. Which animal parts and in what ratios are used? How about simple city water? Tell me each name of bacteria that is offest and proper ratio of fluoride and other associated minerals that deter them. After all your ice maker makes ice from city water and no one is stupid enough to put that in their body. Want to move to cigarettes next?

Second point of course there exists risks associated with any medical procedure. When did I say or imply there was not? There is risk to everything. But it\'s not your responsibility to declare what is too great of a risk for others. It is an individuals choice.

And you really need to stop with the whole advertisement bull crap. It\'s called education. When did I offer some discount or whatever and furthermore how would one prove that I\'m not and I\'m legit? what proof should I offer? And what good do you do by claiming I\'m a shill?

Tutti wrote: This guy seems very suious to me. No one would get anything injected into their penis without knowing what it was. Who is that stupid?

I\'m a member of 2 silicone enhancement groups. Some do look very good. But most go too far and no longer like a normal penis. But everyone who does it is aware of the severity of the possible complications, which Hoodie pointed out.

I don\'t think it\'s responsible to advertise these procedures on general Phalloplasty forums, as it only takes one or two nice looking results and then others will start to see it as a viable option.

Silicone migration, hard lumps and rings are very real possibilities. It can also burn through the skin.

Silicone was banned in US for a reason and I think it\'s irresponsible to discuss it here. The yahoo groups I\'m a member require a application before joining. Anyone can read this forum.

\"I don\'t think it\'s responsible to advertise these procedures on general Phalloplasty forums, as it only takes one or two nice looking results and then others will start to see it as a viable option. \"

I think it irresponsible of you to assume advertising when in fact you don\'t have your facts straight and it could very well be someone trying to educate others looking for advice and options according to their personal experience.

Ok so let\'s play your silly game for a second. Why don\'t you tell me the exact ingredients that are used in a common hotdog.

Mechanically separated chicken: Looking more like strawberry frosting than blended meat and bone bits, the USDA defines mechanically separated poultry (MSP) as 'a paste-like and batter-like poultry product produced by forcing bones, with attached edible tissue, through a sieve or similar device under high pressure to separate bone from the edible tissue.' Hot dogs can contain any amount of mechanically separated chicken or turkey.Pork: According to 1994 USDA rules, any meat labeled as the meat it is can be taken off the bone by advanced meat recovery (AMR) machinery that \"separates meat from bone by scraping, shaving, or pressing the meat from the bone without breaking or grinding the bone.\"Water The USDA states that hot dogs must contain less than 10 percent water.Corn syrup: A combo of cornstarch and acids, corn syrup is used as a thickener and sweetener ' it contains few beneficial nutrients but does add extra calories.Salt: Hot dogs are salty, that\'s part of their job. And in fact, each one has about 480 milligrams, the rough equivalent of 20 percent of your recommended daily allowance.Potassium lactate: This hydroscopic, white, odorless solid is prepared commercially by the neutralization of lactic acid with potassium hydroxide. The FDA allows its use as a flavor enhancer, flavoring agent, humectant, pH control agent, and for inhibiting the growth of certain pathogens.Sodium phosphates: Any of three sodium salt of phosphoric acids that can be used as a food preservative or to add texture ' because the texture is important when you\'re eating a tube of meat paste.Flavor: It has flavor! Under current FDA guidelines, most flavoring agents allowed to be listed as \"flavor\" rather specified individually, so, this remains a bit of a mystery.Beef stock: You know the drill: Boiled water with pieces of muscle, bones, joints, connective tissue and other scraps of the carcass.Sodium diacetate: This is a molecular compound of acetic acid, sodium acetate, and water of hydration. The FDA allows its use as an antimicrobial agent, a flavoring agent and adjuvant, a pH control agent, and as an inhibitor of the growth of certain pathogens.Sodium erythorbate: A sodium salt of erythorbic acid, it is often used as a preservative and helps meat-based products keep their rosy hue. Side effects have been reported, such as dizziness, gastrointestinal issues, headaches and on occasion, kidney stones.Maltodextrin: Basically, a filler and/or thickening agent used in processed foods, it\'s a compound made from cooked starch, corn, or wheat.Sodium nitrite: This common preservative helps preserve cured meat ' studies have shown that consuming sodium nitrite may increase cancer risk and trigger migraines. Animal studies have linked sodium nitrates to an increased risk of cancer.

Paprika extract: An oil-based extract from the paprika plant used for color and longer shelf life.


***seriously there is less mystery as to what\'s in a hot dog than what Loria put in your Dick. Imagine going to a doctor if there is an issue and the doctor asks what is your Dick and you say \"I don\'t know but it cost me a couple grand to get it in there.\"

Cctman wrote: \"I don\'t think it\'s responsible to advertise these procedures on general Phalloplasty forums, as it only takes one or two nice looking results and then others will start to see it as a viable option. \" I think it irresponsible of you to assume advertising when in fact you don\'t have your facts straight and it could very well be someone trying to educate others looking for advice and options according to their personal experience.

You are advertising whether that is your intention or not.

How can you be trying to educate people when you don\'t even know what has been injected? I think that is what most people are struggling to get their heads around here. If anything you are educating people in how not to choose a penis enlargement operation. The don\'t ask what is being injected and rationalize it due to something to do with sausages method of selection is probably best avoided.

In all seriousness though, I think I get what you are trying to do. However, you need to be aware there can be consequences to this. I say this because the biggest mistake of my life was getting Belloderm surgery. I did this off the back of reading a progress report and seeing some very impressive photos. Had I known then what I know now about the common complications of Belloderm surgery I wouldn\'t have done it. I don\'t log on here often but usually when I don there is a message in my inbox from someone who has read about my issues and are now experiencing something similar. I posted a glowing progress report on the MNS forum under the username \"littlewoody.\" I regret it to this day, I\'m sure it must have influenced others to get the same surgery. I know I influenced a member here called \"Yardstick\", and like me, he later suffered complications.

I get what you are trying to do, but you are in no position to educate anyone until you know exactly what the filler is, are several years post procedure and know of numerous others who have had the same procedure for a lengthy period of time. I had nothing but good things to say about my procedure for over a year. Now by penis bends like a banana to the left, i can feel the graft, sex is painful and I\'m shorter. I know more men in similar situations than have had good results with Belloderm. I was in no position to educate anyone and I sincerely regret the posts I made on MNS, many of which were very dismissive of those warning against me.

So let me see if I got this right.. You want to help people do informed decisions / keep people informed.. But you don\'t want information on what you are doing to your Dick?

I would really like to know what he actualy use! (I suspect they are right about the silicone tho)

hoddle10 wrote:
I was asking you for information!

So it\'s a permanent filler, that produces collagen and you have informed us that it isn\'t silicone or PMMA.

But Dr Loria\'s website says he uses FDA approved fillers.

However the only permanent FDA approved filler are PMMA or Silicone.

You say he has a patent for it, which as Hunkydory points out, should mean he doesn\'t need to keep the ingredients a secret. So can\'t you post a link to the patent or at least show us where Dr Loria says he has this patent?

It\'s not hijacking your thread, as the answers to these questions will provide important information, which is in part your wish.

No I don\'t know what\'s in the filler nor am I going to call to ask. I simply don\'t care. And I trust the results outweigh the risks which in my book as I pointed out are less likely to cause permenant damage than eating hotdogs in which you also really don\'t know what is in them.

What I will do is keep everyone informed though as to help those that want the info of the before and after results.

Hoddle you also stated...

\"You\'ve said yourself you know next nothing about the procedure, so you are in no position to inform anyone.\"

Nope! Actually that\'s not at all what I stated. Maybe you should learn to read more clearly my friend. I know about as much as anyone else besides Dr. Loria and his team of lawyers covering the patent. I have every right to inform people and a bit more knowledgeable in this as I\'m going through it first hand experience unlike you who is spinning advice from 3\'rd hand sources and friend of a friend conversations.

The real question is what the hell are you doing here and why since unless you have been through Dr. Loria\'s procedure and experienced it yourself you have no clue what your talking about first hand.

Cctman wrote: Hoddle you also stated... \"You\'ve said yourself you know next nothing about the procedure, so you are in no position to inform anyone.\" Nope! Actually that\'s not at all what I stated. Maybe you should learn to read more clearly my friend. I know about as much as anyone else besides Dr. Loria and his team of lawyers covering the patent. I have every right to inform people and a bit more knowledgeable in this as I\'m going through it first hand experience unlike you who is spinning advice from 3\'rd hand sources and friend of a friend conversations. The real question is what the hell are you doing here and why since unless you have been through Dr. Loria\'s procedure and experienced it yourself you have no clue what your talking about first hand.

So next to nothing then!

Your reasoning is utterly ridiculous.

Also I think if you ask Dr Loria, it was my posts on this forum that gave him the idea of using Silikon1000. On his old website he pretty much copied posts I made regarding a study carried out by an Israeli Dr using the material.

Also how can he patent FDA approved fillers? No matter what he is mixing, it has to be FDA approved and I can\'t see how you can patent something like that.

Can you please link the patent application.

Also I\'m here as a senior moderator of the forum. I can decide whether you stay or go my friend.

Cctman wrote: It\'s not silicone, it\'s a filler that gets absorbed and replaced by the natural collagen formation that is a part of your body for life like skin, bone.

If you don\'t know what the filler is, then how do you know it isn\'t Silicone? On his website he still describes the procedure as \"a minimally invasive permanent filler medical technique called the Platinum Method.\"

For several years Dr Loria has been doing what he called the Platinum Method and upon questioning confirmed he used Silikon1000. That is silicon.

Are you sure you know as much as anyone else?

Cctman wrote: The filler he uses is a pink like fluid he injects and it\'s his own pattoned formula that I don\'t think he shares with anyone. My guess is he uses a chemical compound like a slight acidic compound that over the course of time causes the inflammation but obviously the compound forces the bodies collagen development into over drive. It\'s the same process he stimulates that happens at puberty which sets the bodies natural Girth genetically. I\'m not sure who else would know about it other than he and his lawyers who wrote up the patent. But I was sitting up the whole time and watched him inject it of course. But it\'s not the PMMA micro beads stuff at all. It was more of a Jello like pink fluid given through a thick syringe. The PMMA technique I believe causes collagen to develop as well, but tends to leave guys a little less natural from what I here. Like rubbery or to hard like. And I think PMMA gets or can get absorbed into the body over time like free fat transfer, but I really don\'t know guys for sure. I\'m just happy with the results so far and figured I was post here for informational purposes. Let me know if that helped at all.

Again you are talking about a patent, but I can\'t find any evidence of the patent and on skimming briefly through his website can\'t see any mention of it.

Are you sure about there is a patent?

Hoddle is also the most knowledgeable member on the board and looking out for the huge numbers of guys that read this site for information and never post. I don\'t want to stress you out either but you said basically that he injected a secret pink liquid in you the makeup of which Loria won\'t divulge but are to take on faith that it is safe and builds collagen.

The thing that doesn\'t make sense about Loria\'s patent is that if it was patented it is protected from use without his consent so he should be able to tell you exactly what the fluid is - and he would make money off every doctor that wanted to use it and multiply his revenue 100 fold.

If you think about how many years (decades) and millions of dollars drug companies put into getting a patent, I am sure they don\'t offer them up without serious clinical trials for a liquid that is being injected into the body. It sounds like marketing, but now that it is in you - I hope that you have a good outcome, there are enough guys on here that have been through it all and no one wishes that on you or anyone else.

Hunkydory01 wrote: Hoddle is also the most knowledgeable member on the board and looking out for the huge numbers of guys that read this site for information and never post. I don\'t want to stress you out either but you said basically that he injected a secret pink liquid in you the makeup of which Loria won\'t divulge but are to take on faith that it is safe and builds collagen.

The thing that doesn\'t make sense about Loria\'s patent is that if it was patented it is protected from use without his consent so he should be able to tell you exactly what the fluid is - and he would make money off every doctor that wanted to use it and multiply his revenue 100 fold.

If you think about how many years (decades) and millions of dollars drug companies put into getting a patent, I am sure they don\'t offer them up without serious clinical trials for a liquid that is being injected into the body. It sounds like marketing, but now that it is in you - I hope that you have a good outcome, there are enough guys on here that have been through it all and no one wishes that on you or anyone else.

How about this... if it gets me a solid Girth of roughly 6\" from 5\" with no medical complications and it\'s permanent do you think you can live with yourself that I reached my goal and chose to do this procedure? Ok then it\'s a win win!

hoddle10 wrote:
Again you are talking about a patent, but I can\'t find any evidence of the patent and on skimming briefly through his website can\'t see any mention of it.

Are you sure about there is a patent?

Hoddle you think maybe you can back off a bit and stop hijacking my thread yet? I\'m trying to keep this thread up for informational purposes and I\'m going through a lot of work trying to get you guys live updates images and updates so everyone can make their own informed decision.

The funny thing about that picture of me is that I later went in to get that lump removed. Rather than just removing the lump, the doctor went in and took ALL the PMMA out in the lower left area there. So, he basically recreated the same bizarre shape - but left me with a smaller (thinner) Dick. He claimed he \"couldn\'t separate the hardened PMMA from the normal PMMA\" - which is BS. He didn\'t want to waste the time doing it and was sick of operating on me. I was wide awake during the other procedures, and you can very easily carve the PMMA down, like Dr. Alter does.

For this particular surgery, he was also going in through the scrotum, so maybe it was harder to carve - but not impossible. He then removed excess scrotal skin and sort of allowed the scrotal skin to come up onto the shaft to replace the areas where skin had to be removed due to the PMMA Removal. Now, around 10 months later, I can see it wasn\'t that effective (the scrotum just doesn\'t become your shaft... and the parts that do are very hairy...) Also, a scrotalplasty looks kinda weird when it\'s all healed. most guys have some webbing. I didn\'t have excess webbing, but the idea was to sort of move the web to the shaft and cut the rest off... and this really isn\'t something that was ever done before. It didn\'t come out \"bad\" but it also didn\'t really do what I thought it would do. And my Balls are much smaller lol. Well, the scrotum is.. obviously my testicles are not.

edit - sorry I didn\'t mean to hijack the thread... when I saw my pic there I just wanted to give more details. I didn\'t expect to see that.

Cctman wrote: Hoddle you think maybe you can back off a bit and stop hijacking my thread yet? I\'m trying to keep this thread up for informational purposes and I\'m going through a lot of work trying to get you guys live updates images and updates so everyone can make their own informed decision.

I was asking you for information!

So it\'s a permanent filler, that produces collagen and you have informed us that it isn\'t silicone or PMMA.

But Dr Loria\'s website says he uses FDA approved fillers.

However the only permanent FDA approved filler are PMMA or Silicone.

You say he has a patent for it, which as Hunkydory points out, should mean he doesn\'t need to keep the ingredients a secret. So can\'t you post a link to the patent or at least show us where Dr Loria says he has this patent?

It\'s not hijacking your thread, as the answers to these questions will provide important information, which is in part your wish.