TOPIC: Major Changes Ahead

S.O I agree one hundred percent with your post. thanks

Although I\'m new to this forum I was an active member of PEGym and Thunders years ago and have done manual, stretching and pumping routines. I was banned from PEGym for speaking out on possible dangers of jelquing, and I was actually quoting a Urologist who believed manual PE could work, but just warning about the danger of jelqiing. Over the years I\'ve periodically been researching the best/safest methods for increasing Girth (a common desire) and I find this site invaluable.

So, when you\'re deleting posts if there is any way possible to leave at least an indication of the \"outcomes they aren\'t happy with\" (as hoddle10 mentions above) that would really be useful. People need to know what to expect from any procedure, positive and negative, so if there\'s a way to remove the neurotic/depressing stuff while still leaving any valuable *facts* that would be great.

Thanks to S.0. and the moderators and vets who\'ve contributed very useful information.

~LL

I just want to say that this doesn\'t mean members aren\'t encouraged to report outcomes they aren\'t happy with etc. But it\'s about trying to change the tone of the forum, so it can revert back to be largely informative, as it used to be. The feed back I\'ve been getting over the last year or so has been pretty negative. Most of the posts you see that have disappeared are from people requesting to have their accounts deleted, as they find this place so depressing, that they want to temptation to post to be removed! I speak on the phone with quite a few members and I\'m not exaggerating when I say none of them have a positive view of the forum and \"loony\" posters take up a fair bit of our conversations.

@Restoration

I\'ll echo what Hoddle said, this thread wasn\'t aimed at any particular poster.

But I can\'t help but be honest and at the very least point out how your response is the kind of thing I\'m trying to work on ending. You just reiterated everything we already know about your situation and did so at length. You read this thread and you instantly felt that it was about you (which it is not, it is not about any one single person). Isn\'t that in itself a bit strange?

I\'ve begged members to share all reporting, good & bad! And I get the need to vent & grief. But sometimes the tone becomes so depressing that it\'s hard to digest the information as time goes on.

Look, these aren\'t isolated cases, it\'s becoming a common trend. And this new forum policy isn\'t up for debate, its more-or-less an announcement. I hate seeing some of my favorite posters disappear because they can no longer stand the climate on these forums. This forum needs to return to research gathering and straight-forward dialog.

Again, grieving & venting are understandable...but when it permeates one\'s thread and postings, and it becomes a tolerated commonplace mentality, it just s the-once-positive vibe this forum had.

And yes, it\'s a broad group of topics & postings, not just the depressing or neurotic ones. There was a post recently made by someone who\'s a grown adult still holding a grudge against his parents for Circumcision and believes PMMA will cure his Circumcised-induced depression. Like that kind of thing needs to go. And there are hung guys that come in moping about how some girl called them small and now they got to get the latest procedure done or else they\'ll be losers... all rather lame really.

But I can\'t help but be honest and at the very least point out how your response is the kind of thing I\'m trying to work on ending. You just reiterated everything we already know about your situation and did so at length. You read this thread and you instantly felt that it was about you (which it is not, it is not about any one single person). Isn\'t that in itself a bit strange?

I wrote a post with that much detail that because not everyone knows all of the details or will have read through everything, as it goes back 1.5 years and would take an hour to go through. I knew you were referring to many people, but I have the most detailed negative journal on this board. So for that reason (and the fact I didn\'t read that many posts by people like your quote below) I don\'t think it\'s strange to think that I was included in this...and it bothered me that I would be lumped into a group of people who whine about having 5.5\" Girth naturally and think their lives are over...or have an imperceptible \"gap\" from having a Nodule removed (see quote below). That group is another story altogether.

And yes, it\'s a broad group of topics & postings, not just the depressing or neurotic ones. There was a post recently made by someone who\'s a grown adult still holding a grudge against his parents for Circumcision and believes PMMA will cure his Circumcised-induced depression. Like that kind of thing needs to go. And there are hung guys that come in moping about how some girl called them small and now they got to get the latest procedure done or else they\'ll be losers... all rather lame really.

Yeah, these I have only seen rarely - as I try to avoid them based on the title... and I have no idea how these people got so attracted to this board all of the sudden. Their issues and mine are light years apart. That\'s all I really should have said. I wish I had a 7 x 5\" Dick and got called \"small\" by someone. Instead I have a dented, scarred, oddly textured Dick which is about the same size I started with in 2014...after more surgeries than I can count.

S.O. owes nobody anything. (He started out at 3.5\" Girth mind you)

If the forum disappeared tmrw, I wouldn\'t blame him.

The amount of sad-sack sob stories on here is pretty insane. Having a small Dick fucking sucks and I know it. I live it everyday. But I grit my teeth and lace up my boots everyday.. I suffer from depression and angst over it. I just work harder. If I was born 20 years ago, I\'d be fucked. No options. Now I\'m so thankful there is.

The thing that blows my mind is how sometimes a worthy thread can get little to no attention, while some crazy person comes on here talking about nonsense and everybody will come out of the woodwork to chime in.

What you guys don\'t get is it doesn\'t have to be fair or objective or liked among the members.

The same thing happened with the paid membership decision, people bitched and moaned about his decision. Its his forum. He paid for it out of pocket except for the small amount of donations.

Like it or not it is a online forum. That does not give anyone any right to determine how the administrative staff runs it, or the ownership operates it. It is not a democracy nor a publicly traded corporation. Its not a government agency and at the top of his forum rules it says very clearly

The rules of the forum are subject to change at any time.

Guess what folks they are changing and he is giving a heads up when he clearly doesnt need to.

I wasn\'t going to butt in, because I\'m fairly moderate on this issue and understand both sides, but I have to agree with aleksk. It\'s a point that I raised before in another thread. My fundamental disagreement with jogift is that he\'s viewing this forum as some sort of efficient FAQ tool. It is not. This is an organic, natural *forum* which is a very different thing. A forum is where people come to openly and honestly share a multitude of ideas, thoughts, formulas, experiences, ventings, etc., about all things related to the specified topic. By definition, a forum is an open platform of discussion. It can certainly be moderated, to ensure that information is relevant, and there are ways to accomplish S.O.\'s goal without deleting posts, as aleksk alluded to. I understand both sides, but it honestly doesn\'t bother me to read over some posts that easily miss the target of a thread, because I know that I\'m on a forum. This is what jogift doesn\'t seem to understand. This is not some kind of PE search engine. It\'s a forum. Either way, this is still, by far, the best place online to get truly informative and unbiased data and opinions about PE.

It\'s already very stressful to live in a society where I\'m forced to be tolerant to a muslim, if I consider them all to be terrorists; to gays, if I\'m straight or, if I\'m cut, to continue with a woman who was being fucked by an uncut guy and have \"smegma\" lining her cervix. Should we be dwelling on things like these? Should I take two hours obtaining two sentences I need when I could have done in ten minutes? These are problems for serious researchers looking for answers.

It is \"objective\" to include every post by everyone. But who really wants to read how many times reseachers of vaccines are scratching their arse? The major changes are necessary, only I think a complete overhauling should be done ...

I support anything that\'s going to make life easier for the owner and the moderators by deleting excessive posting, including my own.
It seems slightly ludicrous to be constantly describing people and their posts as \"neurotic\" and depressive\" seen as this is a forum for people who are depressed about their penis.
Sometimes it seems the only people on here who aren\'t neurotic and depressed are people who are already 14cm thick and do PMMA for sport.

SO, I do remember that you supported me twice when I posted that Dr Oates thread was being derailed and when I wrote that the forum was losing its \"sting\" due to numerous unnecessary threads. Thanks so much for that.

Now, the forum is yours and you\'ve stated \"no debate\" on the issue but in the interest of fairness (without finger pointing or blame game);-

1) The moderators themselves do \"egg on\" some of these stupid threads. How many posts by moderators are in the thread about Circumcision alone that you mentioned as negative? Is it possible that they may have been lax in their roles (howbeit voluntary) in guiding and enforcing forum rules?

2) The \"members\" who called and PMed you personally about the state of the forum should have posted their views openly in the forum itself which could have helped to serve as a guide to the erring members. If it seems that there are \"behind the scene\" going ons that eventually affect the whole forum then there is the apparent \"Animal Farm\" feeling that runs deep.

I know I\'ve pissed off several members because I told them to \"shut up\", many times my posts are ignored because I might even be viewed as a nuisance but I am advocating openness and transparency here. Whilst the \"major changes\" are most welcome, could it not be an overall review of the forum as a whole, including forum rules, for instance, that allowed the degradation to the current state? I believe that there are now a much larger volume of posts than before and it might not be easy for moderators to sieve through them all. Removing the threads and posts but ensuring no more of them is essential ...

SO, you and the mods do a phenomenal job on this site, for the most part it is well informative and straight forward. I would agree that it needs to be cleaned as of late.

I was one of those guys at 6.25 to 6.5 el by 5.85 eg, that thought I was small and I NEEDED TO BE BIGGER.

Thanks to you and the mods I got fixed what was broke, the space between my ears. So even through the muck and yuck of some of the posts, this site does work, that is if the people reading have a rational thought process.


People that are desperate will do ill advised things like Indiano then whine and cry that everyone is ignoring him when he has an issue with his procedure. Please keep in mind while \" doing some house cleaning\" that even the negative posts like most of farmer john\'s have some value in them. He was freaked out in every way and it turned out ok.


Thanks for all you guys do,

J

ll wrote: Although I\'m new to this forum I was an active member of PEGym and Thunders years ago and have done manual, stretching and pumping routines. I was banned from PEGym for speaking out on possible dangers of jelquing, and I was actually quoting a Urologist who believed manual PE could work, but just warning about the danger of jelqiing. Over the years I\'ve periodically been researching the best/safest methods for increasing Girth (a common desire) and I find this site invaluable.

So, when you\'re deleting posts if there is any way possible to leave at least an indication of the \"outcomes they aren\'t happy with\" (as hoddle10 mentions above) that would really be useful. People need to know what to expect from any procedure, positive and negative, so if there\'s a way to remove the neurotic/depressing stuff while still leaving any valuable *facts* that would be great.

Thanks to S.0. and the moderators and vets who\'ve contributed very useful information.

~LL

I\'ll do my absolute best to keep intact pertinent information. As mentioned in one of my previous replies, I believe the availability of \"negative\" reporting (i.e. complications, reports of dissatisfaction, etc) are invaluable and that I will make a distinction between \"negative reporting\" and \"reporting with negativity.\"

The reason why I lumped up a group of people and their postings is because they share a common denominator: the tone they present begin to permeate the forum and change the overall climate. This is an observation that has been made by some of my favorite members and long-time posters. Sure some of the issues these people have are vastly different from one another, but all of them do a great job of making me increasingly disinterested with this forum.

And let me add, negative posting isn\'t an issue. Hell, it\'s priceless really. But there is a difference between \"negative reporting\" and \"reporting with negativity,\" if that makes any sense at all.