Sorry mischiefmkr I missed your reply. I was seriously debating Reberto Viel for PE but its getting close to '10000 for lig cut with FFT. That\'s a lot of money which I would be prepared to pay if the outcome was a permanent gain with a normal looking Dick. Possibility of a deformed lumpy penis with the body reabsorbing the extra gain fat! Makes me question the procedure & cost!
Refence HA mischiefmkr I have found the following statement - \"it is worth to mention that the injection of Hyaluronic Acid stimulates the production of body\'s own collagen and even after total absorption penis stays enhanced and does not return to the original size\"
If you look at tour medica UK you will see it on there...........
Just go see David Ralph on Harley Street for HA injection if you have fat injected it will go lumpy, it would probs be Franklin Kuehas who would do it for you at international Andrology, I did not think he was a trustworthy person. HA will increase your Flaccid length
Thanks for your advice Hunkydory. I think your advice is good but I have actually booked a consultation with Androfill at the beginning of March. This is for HA enhancement. I have paid for this, so I shall attend and then get stretching! 8 hours a day - wow, that\'s impressive.
I shall search for the above. In the meantime can you or any board members know whether or not HA can lead to permanent results? I know it is a temporary procedure which the body will reabsorb overtime. But I have read a couple of articles stating that some gain will remain due to the body producing collegen in the shaft!!!!!!
I don\'t know whether this is just sales marketing or if there is any truth to this?!!
007 my advice if you want length is to tell yourself you will revisit the surgery in Jan/Feb 2017. If by the end of a year you have not been stretching regularly (8 hours a day 6-7 days a week min.) the surgery would probably not have done you much good as it is not useful unless you hang religiously. If you have stuck with your program, you may have attained your results in which case you will not need the surgery after all.
I really like the grip Hanger but it is all I know - I prefer the vac. hangers in general though. There are all day stretchers with vac attachments, I would search jes extender on here and see what members have said. Also search the Grip on here as well, as I went into an explanation of how to modify it a little so you can wear it all day. I would also go to pegym or thunderspalce and see what people have said. There must be consensus by now on one or two brands that are good. I think ,but I am not 100% sure, you can get more traction with a vac attachment than a noose or whatever else people use and you will need both - short amounts of heavy traction and lower amounts of less traction. It is like working out.
This thread pretty much works through exactly my thought process.
Was interested to see that out of a range of \'sub-optimum\' options available in the UK that Viel\'s FFT was likely the best. I realise it was not a recommendation as such but fact is that Viel is the most experienced PE surgeon in the UK. Which says something. And I remember another post where someone asked him why he didnt use macrolane anymore.
Personally I am keener on temporary (HA) filler options at present because I actually see the temporary nature of them as part of the attraction. The problem is the price of the ones on offer here - about '400 per 1ml syringe of Juvederm Voluma - so you can see how that stacks up very quickly. Plus the clinic in London I questioned about it said they will use only 6ml to a maximum of 8ml - so frankly I dont think its worth bothering (or paying out '3000 for 6ml including the surgeon cost for half an hour, which I was quoted) for such a small increase when it absorbs 5% or so every month. Seems to me that would be barely noticeable.
I know macrolane has been somewhat discredited - and I haven\'t found a place in London that is using it - although seemingly doctors were using fairly large volumes previously, which might be part of the reason for dissatisfied customers, stands to reason if you pump too much in that its going to feel a bit wrong. If there was someone in the UK using macrolane I would certainly give 20 ml a go to see how it felt, knowing that after a year it would be pretty much gone anyway.
But maybe FFT, in the right hands, is the best of a not ideal range of options open to us in the UK?
You say if you hang for a year & half you would probably get the same gain. Which one would you recommend, as there is so many on the market. Would you also recommend vacuum?
I don\'t think I\'m going to do the lig cut, however I\'m still very keen to get Girth enhancement. Roberto Viel seems to be a surgeon who is top of his game, however I\'m not convinced with FFT.
With the research I have been doing, I have found a couple of articles where with HA, even though it\'s temporary there is a suggestion that the penis will remain bigger due to the body producing Collagen in the shaft. Surely this is brilliant news or is it an out & out lie....... So much confusion with PE........
I don\'t think the lig cut made a difference in the Erect length actually. If it had it probably would not have taken a year and a half to see the gains I ultimately got. All I can say about the procedure is that it makes your Flaccid longer. I said I would do it again but the truth is I had it done so long ago and I know that it worked out so it is easy to say. I am not sure it is worth it as a procedure unless you have a super turtled penis. I bet Hanging for a year and a half would increase your Flaccid too and I would have ended up with the same gains.
There is a guy on here Sayrusx (sp? Sayrux?) who had it done the way I did in terms of cut and his came out very well.
Also I had my grafts put in at the same time so I can\'t say what the recovery time is as the grafts are a much more complicated procedure - they take the strips from the crease in your ass, so that is healing, your Dick is healing and my ligs were cut. Of all 3 procedures my sense if that the lig cut was the easiest to heal as I don\'t even remember it.
\"You had it removed a decade later\", sounds like you have been on a journey. I hope you got everything sorted in the end.
Thanks for your honest answer. I do partly agree with you, with all the research I\'ve been doing, both medically and with forums like this there seems to be too much uncertainity. This is also seems to be confirmed with Hunkydory\'s reply.
From my research some surgeons prefer VY cut as this allows extra skin to allow the penis to drop out further as such, glad you got the extra length Hunkydory, I presumed you wouldn\'t have been able to get that extra gain if you hadn\'t of cut your sup lig cut? Thanks for your honest reply too.
So if I get a vacum or something like a jes extender, what time and commitment will I have to put in to get any beneficial gains? & which one?
I don\'t know that much about FFT but I have seen and heard many people that were not happy with it either because it all reabsorbed - or almost all, or it was lumpy and uneven.
Dr. Reed in Miami did my lig cut and Dermal Grafts at the same time, but the grafts hardened after 15 years or so, so they had to come out.
I gained an 1.25 inches Erect and my Flaccid was longer after the surgery but the Erect length was due to Hanging not the surgery - and it took me a year and a half or so.
I don\'t know why they do the VY, it looks much more complicated than what I had done and the scars are bigger - but like I said, some people go through the lig. cut procedure and regret it. Whatever you do, leave yourself open to the fact that it will not be what you were hoping for.
Roberto Viel did my FFT. I had it removed a decade later due to not liking how the fat felt in my penis or how it looked. You can\'t predict whether it will absorb or how.
In my opinion you shouldn\'t get anything done. Listen to your wife. If there was a safe, reliable option we\'d all be getting it done and it would be available from several Dr\'s in every town in the western world, just like liposuction is. The fact people fly to Mexico to get penis enhancement tells you all you need to know about the current options.
But if you absolutely have to do something in the UK, get FFT with Roberto. Don\'t get lengthening, as your length is already fine.
Hoddle10 reference a previous reply, you stated you have had the FFT procedure done and you had to have the Fat cut out, why was this? & may I ask who & where did you have this done? I\'m not in a position to travel from the UK to get PMMA , so unfortunately I think I will have to cross off PMMA.
Would you personally go for HA due to your experience with FFT?
Hunkydory, yes Elist is also off the list. With FFT what determines whether or not it re-absorbs evenly? Have you personally had this procedure done? yes I\'m aware that HA re-absorbs but it has also been stated that you will be left with a bigger penis due to the affect HA will have on that area of the body. You had your ligs cut with a very small horizontal scar, there is a high opinion that this is a much better technique than the VY cut. Yet it seTms Roberto Viel only offers VY , I wonder why this is? May I also ask where you had your surgery done & by who? Did you gain any extra length? Did you also have FFT?
Sorry for so many questions, thanks again for your previous replays...
I think you are going to find that someone on this board has had one of those procedures - or quite a few have had one or more - and everyone has had different results.
The consensus is that Elist is absolutely the worst of the worst.
FFT usually reabsorbs (partially or mostly) unevenly - or evenly if you are lucky.
HA from what I understand is temporary and not the same thing as PMMA.
PMMA is popular on this board and the most permanent but leads to many irregularities and it seems hard to predict who has a bad outcome, after care being equal.
I have had my ligs cut and only have a very small horizontal scar and would do it again, but you will only get Flaccid increase. You will need to hang for an Erect increase and that can take up to a year or a year and a half of Hanging or stretching everyday for 8 hours or so to get an Inch or a little more than an Inch.
Some people however, have had the lig. surgery and lost length.
The best way to find out what is offered in London is still the internet.
Hope that helps.