TOPIC: Unintended Side Effects with Frequent Use of Forum

I had mental issues with sex, porn and PE long before coming here haha. BUT the danger here vs. Natural PE is that surgery / injections are quite invasive and very hard to reverse.

With manual PE (especially pumping to a big girth) I would enter this weird zone of arrousal, fantasy and euphoria. Naturally after I came and some time passed it would deflate and I would go back on with life with my normal dick. But I\'d always have to take steps like pumping to get to that fucked up state.

PMMA changes this process.

1) You see other member\'s results.
2) You fantasize that if you did it your results could be like theirs.
3) You get the procedure.
4) You are in this crazy arroused state of \"wow\" for a couple months until it just becomes the new norm.
5) Since the intial infatuation is gone from your procedure is gone, you want that feeling again and fantasize about how amazing a another round would be.
6) You think you are some special case and hope you can handle more product or get bigger gains or whatever it is you fantasize about.
7) You get another round.
The infatuation \"wow\" feeling is back.
9) see 5.
10) another round.... the cylce continues.

What we don\'t see is that this whole time our perception of what is normal is thrown out the window. We see other members posting about their giant schlongs and we get sucked right in. The real world is forgotten. We watch porn that only validates these new perceptions we have. This whole time, like pumping we inflate our dicks, only they don\'t deflate. We just keep building them up bigger and bigger, in this tunnell vision.

I\'ve used the steriod analogy before, but I still think its true: We push past what most people would think is normal in our weird mental state that we are in. MOST women would not find those big ass roided out guys to be attractive, but those guys obviously think they are by doing what they do.

So will this place mess with your head? - Yes it\'s likely.

I think there are different kinds of dysmorphia going on here.

There\'s the kind where people believe they are small or too small for their partner. Even when they are average size they have this negative perception about being average and it not being enough.

There\'s the kind who believe having a big dick will solve various problems and issues in their life. Whether its to add confidence, cure depression, machoism whatever.

There\'s the kind like me who get caught up in being huge. Beyond even what is normally considered huge. Its a turn on for them to be \"too big\".

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In all of these cases PMMA or any other PE surgery for that matter likely won\'t \"cure\" this dysmorphia. We need to figure out what is at the root of it, because a bigger dick won\'t solve it.

@ Spankass

I hope and presume it has done more positive than good. If I believed/concluded with certainty that this forum\'s unintended ill effects were rampant and pervasive, I\'d literally consider shutting the forum down. But I don\'t and as I mentioned before, I know this forums fundamental purpose is still intact.

@ dcpimpin

I know the forum isn\'t liable for anyone\'s decision, but that doesn\'t mean it should turn a blind eye to an environment that may induce undesirable side effects. This thread wasn\'t really aimed at the guys comfortable & secure, but instead for newcomers who are predisposed to the unintended consequences of a forum that no longer considers 5.5\" EG all that thick.

I\'m glad we\'re having this discussion as a community. There are so many unseen factors that come along with wanting to get your penis enlarged through some surgical means, the kind of things I suspect are more often observed by Moderators and Forum Veterans. We get the IMs, PMs, and E-mails on a much more voluminous scale. What I mean by factors are things like psychology (state of mind / mental health), relationships, etc. Things that, in conjunction with this forum, can exacerbate underlying problems. The kind of problems we ought to prevent or minimize by bringing it to the attention of the community at large. Kapitalizm is the tip of the iceberg, there are others out there just like him, I wouldn\'t have made this thread if he was a lone, special case.

dcpimpin12 wrote: I feel if anything at all this site should be advertised more on tv, news papers, radio ect.

Heaven forbid! lol. As I mentioned in our IM, the last thing we need is to encourage the idea that there is a need to visit a site that contains experimental medical procedures on enlarging what may be a perfectly normal penis to naive, impressionable young men on the TV & radio. Maybe years from now if & when procedures become more standardized it could get some air-time, but for now it\'s best that only those LOOKING for these kind of questions & answers find us.

Ignorance is bliss, and I think the many men who haven\'t thought twice about their size (irrespective of dimensions) & have enjoyed a healthy & fantastic sex life are maybe some of the luckiest men around.

@ Sizemic

Great post, all of you are making this a good conversation! This thread really ought to be in the \"Love, Lust, & Vanity\" section but I thought it was of high importance and it would get better visibility in this sub-forum.

Interesting take on the PMMA mental cycle, it\'s this kind of insight I hope many others get a chance to read!
You even acknowledged that it was possible this site has the potential to \"mess with your head.\" But on the same token, I bet you\'ve found a lot of answers about penis size, sex, etc as a consequence of being a member here too. I think the lesson here is balance.

@Sizemic

My point exactly..

Sizemic: I\'m a roid user and you don\'t know how much it helps picking up women in a bar if you have 16-17inch arms. Women are put off only by professional bodybuilders, who are too large for their taste.

The same thing with PMMA: going to 7.0-7.5 inches will be too much for the average woman. But if you want to go to 6.0 to 6.5 inches, that will make a hell of a difference in your sex life.

That\'s all

Sizemic wrote: 4) You are in this crazy arroused state of \"wow\" for a couple months until it just becomes the new norm.
7) You get another round.
10) another round.... the cylce continues.

Just quoted you briefly, but this is totally accurate - the same thing can (and does) happen with plastic surgery patients. And, that is why you see some of the disasters you do (lips the size of sausages, insane breasts, etc). Or, people who just keep getting peels, botox, etc... my friend is a Dermatologist & says people (even her) get addicted to botox alone. She went off it for her pregnancy and hated it....seriously! It\'s very easy for this to happen. Once you have \"that look\" of smooth skin, you can\'t give it up. I can only imagine (i haven\'t done PMMA yet) that it would happen just as you described above...aside from the other kind of dysmorphia described here.

Oh - and some steroid users go through this too...when they go on and off cycles. There\'s a whole book on male dysmorphia and muscle building obsession. Anyway, I think you guys who are like 7 x 5.5 or whatever should just leave it alone, but I won\'t judge In my life, I grew up around like 90% women - and I think only 1 ever talked about penis size...ever...and yes, her husband has a huge penis now - but everyone else was looking for other things. Among my gay friends, it\'s practically all they care about and all they talk about. So, I could see the obsession there... but w/ straight guys - not as big of a deal.

pontest wrote: Sizemic: I\'m a roid user and you don\'t know how much it helps picking up women in a bar if you have 16-17inch arms. Women are put off only by professional bodybuilders, who are too large for their taste.

The same thing with PMMA: going to 7.0-7.5 inches will be too much for the average woman. But if you want to go to 6.0 to 6.5 inches, that will make a hell of a difference in your sex life.

That\'s all

i never had 16 inch arms and wanna bet i got laid more then you in my early 20\'s lol ... its about charm and selling yourself which can easily overcome 16 inch arms cause trust me i have seen it first hand...not saying all girls but if we had a raced based solely on your arms vs my charm and game back then u would have lost hands down.

i am a fairly attractive guy...nothing GQ but not bad to look at either and back then i weighed less which btw i am almost back to lol...dieting and exercise i have lost 25 lbs already and only got 15 more to go to get back to my idea of me being sexy lol

now with that said i am sure if i had 16 inch arms on top of my charm and game i prob would have doubled the girl count in my early 20s but its well over 200 chicks in a 4 year span i became a man whore lol or as my current women would call me

@SO
i said it def did way more positive then \"bad\" btw...i think u made a type when u said positive then good lol.

as i said i am a lurker i dont post much but i ready litterlly every post on here and stay current every other day most days. I am a natural reader and dont even watch tv...i read books at a rate of 1 per 3 days or 4 days so reading these forums is nothing

from what i see you have around a 87% ratio of good to bad so you tell me, is that then the site making a positive life change for the men on here? i would think so

@kaps
get off the site and fix your insecurity issues a bit and get mentally stronger to withstand the barrage of penis\'s in your face from this site (no homo lol) if you cant control it now...take a break and work on those issues

i see all the wankers on here and the only thing i think is \"hmm not bad but when i am ready to get mine it might turn out that nice or might not so when that day comes i will think about it then\" so condition yourself to think kinda like that

SpankAss wrote: from what i see you have around a 87% ratio of good to bad so you tell me, is that then the site making a positive life change for the men on here? i would think so

Even if it were 100% good to bad reporting, that doesn\'t mean that there aren\'t negative side effects from extensive forum usage. You aren\'t necessarily going to see people mention how their dysmorphia has worsened or how their relationships have fallen apart due to their penis obsession in every progress report... some men will say so in private, others may be in denial. You are also not going to see the vast number of lurkers who post nothing, and thus making the \"87%\" stat useless.

This thread isn\'t bashing forum usage, it\'s serving as a public service announcement to men who may be at risk/predisposed to some of the negative side effects of frequent forum usage. If you cannot relate to this, then you have nothing to worry about. But you certainly don\'t deal with the volume of messages/emails that myself & moderators are accustomed to, so you don\'t see a lot of what goes on behind the scenes. As I said before, I wouldn\'t have written this thread if it was an isolated problem. There is no debate here about what\'s going on. Instead, it\'s about recognizing the problem and taking steps to solving that problem. Members like Kapitalizm can still make positive use of this forum and its many resources, and its his decision to cut back heavily on forum usage that has allowed him to clear his mind. There are others just like him, and this thread was aimed at getting their attention.

I will.admit, even after one round this site.became a negative impact in terms of wanting more. Not sure if anyone noticed but I did take about a four month break to clear my head.


but I.do value the website a lot. Good to be back somewhat with a clear head.

Skeptical One wrote:

SpankAss wrote: from what i see you have around a 87% ratio of good to bad so you tell me, is that then the site making a positive life change for the men on here? i would think so

Even if it were 100% good to bad reporting, that doesn\'t mean that there aren\'t negative side effects from extensive forum usage. You aren\'t necessarily going to see people mention how their dysmorphia has worsened or how their relationships have fallen apart due to their penis obsession in every progress report... some men will say so in private, others may be in denial. You are also not going to see the vast number of lurkers who post nothing, and thus making the \"87%\" stat useless.

This thread isn\'t bashing forum usage, it\'s serving as a public service announcement to men who may be at risk/predisposed to some of the negative side effects of frequent forum usage. If you cannot relate to this, then you have nothing to worry about. But you certainly don\'t deal with the volume of messages/emails that myself & moderators are accustomed to, so you don\'t see a lot of what goes on behind the scenes. As I said before, I wouldn\'t have written this thread if it was an isolated problem. There is no debate here about what\'s going on. Instead, it\'s about recognizing the problem and taking steps to solving that problem. Members like Kapitalizm can still make positive use of this forum and its many resources, and its his decision to cut back heavily on forum usage that has allowed him to clear his mind. There are others just like him, and this thread was aimed at getting their attention.

agreed i know that but i am just saying it seems more alot more good then bad

Remember.....It\'s all relative. The arm thing for instance; A 16-17\" bicep is not a big bicep by any stretch of the imagination (not a slam as I have a 17.5\" bicep myself and it\'s not \"big\"). Now, you put a 17\" bicep on a guy who is 5\'7\" and 155lbs, it looks pretty big. If you put that same bicep on a guy who is 6\'3\" and 245lbs.....eh, not so much!

The same thing applies to your schlong. You watch a porn flick and see a guy, lifesize is 5\'6\" and 140lbs, on screen who happens to be endowed with a 7\" EL x 5.5\" EG, banging a porn actress who is 5\' and 104lbs.....well, you get the picture! Looks like gigantic schlong man is slaying average beauty queen with a massive tool!

9_in_richard wrote: Remember.....It\'s all relative. The arm thing for instance; A 16-17\" bicep is not a big bicep by any stretch of the imagination (not a slam as I have a 17.5\" bicep myself and it\'s not \"big\"). Now, you put a 17\" bicep on a guy who is 5\'7\" and 155lbs, it looks pretty big. If you put that same bicep on a guy who is 6\'3\" and 245lbs.....eh, not so much!

The same thing applies to your schlong. You watch a porn flick and see a guy, lifesize is 5\'6\" and 140lbs, on screen who happens to be endowed with a 7\" EL x 5.5\" EG, banging a porn actress who is 5\' and 104lbs.....well, you get the picture! Looks like gigantic schlong man is slaying average beauty queen with a massive tool!

Yes it is! assuming we aren\'t talking fatceps a \"natural\" 17\" bicep is big. Maybe it wont look so big on a 6ft 3\" guy, but the average height is about 5ft 10\" and the average bicep is about 14\".

Let me re-phrase that from the perspective of someone involved in the weight lifting community.....from the perspective of the gym rat....16-17\" arm size is not a big arm. Bodybuilders, weight lifters, power lifters who frequent the bodybuilding forums (some, not all of course) often have some degree of body dysmorphia themselves.....similar to those on penis forums in regard to \"average\" vs enhanced.

I\'m 5\'9\" 192lbs @ 10% BF, 48\" chest, 32\" waist, 17-17.5\" arm and by most people that know me, they consider me a \"big\", muscular, strong guy. I consider myself a smaller to average build. My perception is skewed because I compare myself to the guys in my community who are 60\" chests, 22+\" biceps, etc,etc.....it is all relative to your \"norm\". Compared to average joe....yeah, I\'m pretty muscular....but I do not compare myself to average Joe.

Most likely, if my bicep reaches 20\", then I will look elsewhere for improvement. Weightlifting, much like PE is a journey.....not a destination. There is always room to improve ones self. My opinion of course.

9_in_richard wrote: Let me re-phrase that from the perspective of someone involved in the weight lifting community.....from the perspective of the gym rat....16-17\" arm size is not a big arm. Bodybuilders, weight lifters, power lifters who frequent the bodybuilding forums (some, not all of course) often have some degree of body dysmorphia themselves.....similar to those on penis forums in regard to \"average\" vs enhanced.

I\'m 5\'9\" 192lbs @ 10% BF, 48\" chest, 32\" waist, 17-17.5\" arm and by most people that know me, they consider me a \"big\", muscular, strong guy. I consider myself a smaller to average build. My perception is skewed because I compare myself to the guys in my community who are 60\" chests, 22+\" biceps, etc,etc.....it is all relative to your \"norm\". Compared to average joe....yeah, I\'m pretty muscular....but I do not compare myself to average Joe.

Most likely, if my bicep reaches 20\", then I will look elsewhere for improvement. Weightlifting, much like PE is a journey.....not a destination. There is always room to improve ones self. My opinion of course.

From a gym rats point on view, you have big biceps! There is no getting around it, at your size, with a low body fat, those arms are big.

Here is how I see it. If you saw another guy with your same dimensions, you\'d think his arms were big. If he was stood right next to you, you\'d probably want to ask what his diet and routine is that gave him arms that size. But at the same time, he\'d probably be looking at your arms, wondering how you got them to be so much bigger than his. That\'s all part of the dysmporphia.

Check this guy out. He\'s that same height as you, but 2lbs lighter, with a touch more body fat.

forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149702203

He\'s not crazy huge, like pro bodybuilders, but by any gym rat standards his biceps would considered big.

Bodybuilding and PE are so similar. You see guys here with huge penises comparing themselves with the likes of Shane Diesel and thus not considering themselves big. Even though we have gone miles off topic, we are actually getting to the of what this thread is about. Hanging around here is like hanging around a gym full of bodybuilders and it can be hazardous to ones mental health. It\'s so easy to develop of warped perception in certain environments.