TOPIC: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end?

And yes, I\'ve read nearly every post out there on this board and every other google could find over the past year and i know my friend messageman: it\'s a marathon, not a race (You\'re my inspiration by the way!). Maybe i just loosened up some of the scar tissue that was holding it down? The place that ive been most sore is by the tip of my penis under the head where ive been tugging on the glands and this week I\'ve been tugging to the right because when I get an Erection it points straight out but also now a bit to the left... Hoping I can correct that.

Still looks like someone else\'s penis down there but I\'m relieved that maybe this is salvageable? I figure while i wait to find someone to take this out (i wont be going back to Elist, he scares the crap out of me) and find the time to perform the Removal I can start to make some recovery and gains prior to the inevitable. Here\'s to hoping!

I can\'t take it anymore. I need this thing out of me. I\'m calling Dr. Elist today and setting the next available appointment.

Should I tell him not to remove scar tissue? What should I tell him so he doesn\'t mess up my liife anymore?

hmmm its a shame it didnt work for u microphoncheck... I wonder how dane is doing so far?

I recommend seeing a local Urologist in your area. They should be able to refer you to a specialist in peyroniesdiease. You will be surprised how many Urologist know about the implants and they know about the scaring. Surgery to remove scaring is usually covered by insurance. I had a consult at hospital at ucsf and they will be doing the scar Removal next month

Dr Solomon in Philly is probably your best bet. He\'s a plastic surgeon and does penis enlargement.

Im in Pa......I know there is a doctor in Virginia that does penile lengthening, etc. there & would probably know more about the penile area then any other doctors, no? Or do I go to any Urologist around my area that can remove scar tissue. I just want the best doctor I can get for this procedure.

Microphonecheck\'s Question:
1. First and foremost, how long was your recovery? Mine from getting he implant was about 3 weeks. I had an infection, a urinary tract infection no less, pee\'d blood clots which hurt to no end for nearly a month and couldn\'t sleep a wink for the first week because I needed to urinate every 1-2 minutes.
Messageman\'s answer:
I initially had to wait for the wound (from the implant Removal) to heal. This took about six weeks. My penis had retracted almost two inches by this point. I started manually stretching, pumping, and using an all-day-stretcher. Unbelievably,not only was I able to regain my original length back, but I got an extra 3/4 of an Inch! That being said, most guys are not as lucky as I was...And you should consider yourself lucky if you get your length back.

Microphonecheck\'s Question:
2. Second question is, should I have Elist perform this or visit a local Urologist? I\'m scared to go back there honestly...
Messageman\'s Answer:
Tough question. Though this doctor is a sociopath and not to be trusted, the fact is, he has probably, by this point, has taken out hundreds of implants... There is probably nobody who understands the implant and the issues caused by it than Dr. Elist. He will try to get you to have it taken out in his office...Don\'t let him. Have it taken out in the surgical centre. Again, it\'s a tough decision.


Microphonecheck\'s Question:
3. Third question I have is how soon could I start Hanging and Jelqing again to regain my length?
Messageman\'s Answer:
Wait until all of the wounds have entirely healed.

Microphonecheck\'s Question:
4. Last but not least, how long should I wait after the Removal before I visis Dr. C for some PMMA? Or should I wait until I\'ve regained back to my 5.5\" length or (hopefully) longer?
Messageman\'s Answer
Wait for your penis to heal; your penis will have been through a lot. And try to get as much length back as possible. It will probably easier to get the length back pre PMMA than post PMMA. Lastly, psychologically, you need time to heal. You may not be in the right frame of mind to make rational decisions, having gone through this horrific experience. PMMA will always be there...

Thank you so much in advance for taking the time to respond!

hoddle10 wrote: I never knew Jazzy was \"Motion in the ocean.\" I remember the day he took his bandage off and discovered the scar along his shaft. He went out and bought a camera just to show the forum. Unbelievably the Elist shills praised the Dr\'s ingenuity and somehow Elist came out of it smelling of roses. To me it looked like he just accidentally ripped the shaft skin during surgery and came out with some ridiculous excuse for it.

I was the one who posted the Silicone Disaster photos. Within minutes I got a PM from Chad pretending to be interested, but really he was just fishing for reasons to ban me and lock the thread.

I\'ve still got the photos if anyone\'s interested. Silicone Disaster is a friend of Smartmans. Hopefully he can let us know how he\'s doing now.

Yeah, thats me, \"Motion In Ocean\", known as JazzyJ on here.......I couldnt believe Elist stuck the implant through my penis instead of my pubic area.I was devastated when I saw that. No where on his site does he mention about the implant being inserted through a sliced up penis. I have scar tissue that I would like to get rid of & cleared up.......

Elist took out my implant in one of his rooms at his office, yes, I said his office. Talk about being unprofessional. He even had one of the secretaries come in & help him out. Thats right, I had that young women he had in their standing over me & helping Elist. Thank goodness he shot me up with some really good pain meds. The thing is tho he didnt sew me up after he cut me in the pubic area to take out the implant but he did bandage me up.

Thing is, when I took the bus to my hotel, I had blood trickling down my leg. I couldnt believe WTF was going on but I was still pretty high from the pain meds.

Now I just want to get rid of my scar tissue & get back to stretching.

That Chad clown from the other site also stole my $250 for a stretching mechanism I purchased & I never received anything.........so is life!

Anyone know of any good surgeons on the East Coast for scar tissue Removal?

But wasn\'t the reason Elist gave for inserting through the shaft skin that there was something preventing him going through the pubic area? In which case, how was he able to remove it through an incision the pubic area? At the time it sounded like total bullshit to me and he just somehow managed to rip your shaft skin and tried to get away with it by saying it was intentional. I remember Chad and his shills were all telling you that Elist had done a great job!

He had told me there wasnt much room in the pubic area to fit the implant through. Because after he inserted the implant through my penis, there was no entry at all through my pubic area. The guy is a total wack job, thats for sure. He acts like youre going through a drive up window & youre asking for a Big Mac. Thats how fast he talks.......I should have known better & just walked out & lost my $1,000 deposit but like others, we were so hyped up about getting the implant in.

a perfect site for scars removal surgery is realself.com just click on the type of surgery u interested and the state close to u and u will find reviews from patients of doctors that went through the surgey. hope that helps.

JazzyJ wrote:

hoddle10 wrote: I never knew Jazzy was \"Motion in the ocean.\" I remember the day he took his bandage off and discovered the scar along his shaft. He went out and bought a camera just to show the forum. Unbelievably the Elist shills praised the Dr\'s ingenuity and somehow Elist came out of it smelling of roses. To me it looked like he just accidentally ripped the shaft skin during surgery and came out with some ridiculous excuse for it.

I was the one who posted the Silicone Disaster photos. Within minutes I got a PM from Chad pretending to be interested, but really he was just fishing for reasons to ban me and lock the thread.

I\'ve still got the photos if anyone\'s interested. Silicone Disaster is a friend of Smartmans. Hopefully he can let us know how he\'s doing now.

Yeah, thats me, \"Motion In Ocean\", known as JazzyJ on here.......I couldnt believe Elist stuck the implant through my penis instead of my pubic area.I was devastated when I saw that. No where on his site does he mention about the implant being inserted through a sliced up penis. I have scar tissue that I would like to get rid of & cleared up.......

Elist took out my implant in one of his rooms at his office, yes, I said his office. Talk about being unprofessional. He even had one of the secretaries come in & help him out. Thats right, I had that young women he had in their standing over me & helping Elist. Thank goodness he shot me up with some really good pain meds. The thing is tho he didnt sew me up after he cut me in the pubic area to take out the implant but he did bandage me up.

Thing is, when I took the bus to my hotel, I had blood trickling down my leg. I couldnt believe WTF was going on but I was still pretty high from the pain meds.

Now I just want to get rid of my scar tissue & get back to stretching.

That Chad clown from the other site also stole my $250 for a stretching mechanism I purchased & I never received anything.........so is life!

Anyone know of any good surgeons on the East Coast for scar tissue removal?

Thanks dcpimp, but I dont see anything on there for scar tissue Removal or anything to do with corrective penile surgery/scar tissue Removal.

JazzyJ wrote: He had told me there wasnt much room in the pubic area to fit the implant through. Because after he inserted the implant through my penis, there was no entry at all through my pubic area. The guy is a total wack job, thats for sure. He acts like youre going through a drive up window & youre asking for a Big Mac. Thats how fast he talks.......I should have known better & just walked out & lost my $1,000 deposit but like others, we were so hyped up about getting the implant in.

So the doctor said there was no entry through the pubic bone? If so, he should have just not put the implant in, like any sane doctor.
I remember your case. We had the surgery around the same time. And If I remember correctly, you actually posted pictures on the MNS board , asking other members why there were stitches on your shaft. You were as scared as hell. Dr. Elist never even explained to you what happened immediately after the surgery. All he said when you asked how it went was, \"you didn\'t have much to work with\".
What a nightmare...And can you believe he is still continuing his campaign of carnage four years later?
I would love to know if there is even one guy with the implant still in from that board. Dr. Elist claims \"minimal\" complications\"? What does he consider a complication? Death?
Anyway JazzyJ ( You\'ll always be \'Motion\' to me), it sounds like you are doing ok. Good luck with that scar tissue situation!
Messageman

Hey Messageman, yeah, he should never had put the implant in if there wasnt enough room, the guy is like the doctor that creates Frankenstein. I couldnt believe he cut my penis up like that & then didnt even tell me he put the implant in from there. I was looking at pictures from other guys & was wondering why mine was different because of all the stitches. I wish I had gotten a lawyer back then to sue him because he had no reason to go in through the penis. He didnt say anything about inserting it through the penis on any of his papers or website.........I was going through a lot of emotional b.s. with him back then so my head wasnt in the right place.

And thanks, I am doing better now & will look into getting the scar tissue out of there. I dont understand why anyone hasnt filed lawsuits against him..............

JazzyJ wrote: Thanks dcpimp, but I dont see anything on there for scar tissue removal or anything to do with corrective penile surgery/scar tissue removal.

well since i dont know what part of the east coast u are in i am sending u the scar removal list of doctors www.realself.com/Scars/info im sure u not going to find a case of penile surgery scar tissue removal but im sure if they can get rid of any type of scars u would just have to email the doctor and explain ur situation. hope that helps.