TOPIC: Dr. Loria

Silikon 1000 sounds like it could be a good choice from what I can find on the net about it.
Thanks hoddle for the info.
Kcchief

It\'ll be Silikon 1000

Silicone does not promote collagen growth, so something does not make sense. It is your body, you have a right to know exactly what he is injecting, and insist on watching him open the packaging before the procedure. Please do not take anything a PE doctor tells you at face value, insist on verification. If he is evasive, look for a new doctor.

My guess would be he is likely injecting a temporary filler. Like all PE procedures, if it sounds too good to be true it likely is.

Has he injected himself ? Some PE doctors will claim they have had the procedure done on themselves, but they will never show proof. They know PE surgery is dangerous, after witnessing the aftermath of many of their own disfigured patients firsthand.

4 since last march or 1 a month. He started at 5.25 Girth.

To be honest, in my opinion, we just aren\'t going to be able to get anywhere near enough information to make this a viable option. There is a study that was carried out in Israel that I posted here previously, but the results in these articles are hard to independently substantiate. Being a pioneer with PMMA carries a big enough element of the unknown and that has widespread use in large quantities. Silikon 1000 seems like PMMA all over again, only this time we don\'t have the large South American market history.

Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA.
Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results.
They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health.

They said I could be 7.2 x 7.2 soon

If you are a real person seeking PE and not a shill (1st post saying you are putting a deposit down tomorrow?), you might want to chill a little.

Do some research. I have never heard of guaranteed results.

The pictures they sent me look surprisingly good. Full coverage with taper in the neck area, looks very natural to me. Plus he can make my gland larger too, something I have always been self conscious about. Right now I am 7.2 el 5.75 mid eg. This will be my first PE endeavor so a little nervous. I am going to put my deposit down tomorrow though. They said I could be 7.2 x 7.2 soon (2 treatments) which is my goal. Also Dr Lorian hinted I may be able to go as high as 8in eg but said my girlfriends might not think it is such a great idea haha. thanks kc

Wow is all I can say. 2nd guy just as happy.
Started at. 5 Inch Girth at 6.5 after 3 procedures.
Both very happy and love it. As well he is willing to speak with a mod to tell his story, and he had a fat graft and alodurm before going this route.
He is fine with me shareing his photos but I need a mod number to send them to,In have no idea how to post from my text message.
Thanks for the interest guys just getting this info out to us all.
Kcchief

Bigben wrote: But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism.

Exactly. That\'s the very reason why I (we) ask you to provide some background/sources/info to your assertions so that we can bring to light real risks associated with any given procedure. In this way we can improve the balance of information, both positive & negative outcomes.

In the meantime, I ask we resume the topic matter, thanks.

Hoddle, let me be clear, I have not read about women with PMMA butt injections complaining of granulama symptoms less than three years after treatment. Cases may exist, so perhaps I should have phrased the time frame less definitively. And yes you make a good point, I can offer some personal experience in the future that guys can relate to better. So, There are only two blogs on PMMA penile injections: \"Victims of Dr Bayard\" and \"Victims of Metacril\". Unfortunately though they are in portugese and appear to be heavy on accusations and light on facts, so I primarily have read about PMMA butt complications in the past. The women point out the brand of PMMA occasionally but do not often mention the doctor, and never type of cannula, ect. This type of info just is not available so you never will have all the facts. Honestly, most people that run into problems are depressed and leaving a detailed list of all the circumstances relevant to their case is not a priority. But I agree with you, forum member can filter information accordingly to draw their own conclusions. Let me be clear I am not on a crusade to prevent people from increasing the size of their penis. But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism. Some guys will be perfectly happy with the results of their PE procedure for the rest of their lives, others won\'t.

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

Providing evidence of late on set of problems wont substantiate you claim. We know there is potential for complications many years after the PMMA is injected. But you suggested \"all the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3.\" That simply isn\'t true and posting things like that doesn\'t help anyone.

I fully understand your point of view and truly believe you\'ve only got good intentions, but I think you need to express your opinion a little differently. Maybe, if you able to, expand upon your own experiences, which sound appalling. Let your experiences be an illustration of the risks any guy undertaking any PE procedure will have to consider.

In my experience the theoretical side effects or complications are hard for guys to imagine dealing with. But it\'s easier for them to empathize when \"victims\" explain how these complications have massively negative consequences on their lives as a whole. It\'s tough to know what it\'s like to feel a lump in your penis, but most know what it\'s like to feel so low that getting out of bed in the morning is a continual struggle.

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

If you have any information that can be accurately translated from sources that have some legitimacy (or can at least have some plausibility), then it is your obligation to cite them if you wish to make the assertions highlighted in bold by Hoddle.

This forum thrives on the contribution of all posting members. So what exactly is your reason to join threads discussing Silikon 1000 or PMMA if you have nothing but baseless opinions to give? The idea is to share information, debate, and provide different perspectives. Opinions are acceptable when they are formed from an objective analysis. BigBen, you provide no objective content/sources to backup the reasoning behind your opinions. Instead, as Hoddle suggested, you inject fear into the conversation. There is no better way to cheapen the discussion then to incite fear and uncertainty as it pertains to our dicks.

Look at it this way: You (BigBen), find a way to accurately translate or cite a source (or multiple sources) which show men with PMMA in their penises having major issues in the long term. Bingo! Then as a forum, we begin to analyze & discuss your sources starting with #1- determining the legitimacy of the anecdotal evidence to the best of our ability, #2- determining whether the evidence is complete (e.g. brand of PMMA, physician, instrumentation, etc), and if not complete, is there enough info to consider the purported complications a seriousness?, and #3- how it relates to the Mexican & European brand of bioplasty as being reported by patients on this forum.

You see, you will have done a service to your fellow forum members, and the rest of us will have chimed in to better improve the knowledge-base of penis enlargement surgery. That is essentially how this forum has operated since its inception.

Anything else is just cheap discussion, or at worst, fear-mongering.

Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website.
I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ?
Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

Bigben wrote: Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA. Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results. They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health.

I understand your skepticism towards this procedure. I share it myself and empathize with the stance you have taken. But I\'ve learned from experience the militant opposal to a procedure can be unwise, as so often, rather than deterring a guy from having PE all together, it simply pushes him towards another type of procedure.

You need to stop posting bullshit comments like the one I\'ve highlighted. You\'ve done it a few times and I let it go, as like I said, I empathize with you and understand where you are coming from. I know you just don\'t want anyone to go through what you have. But in my experience, posting false claims in order to support arguments that use fear as a deterrent isn\'t the best way to try and help other members make the best decision for themselves. I spoke the negative truth about the Elist implant until I was blue in the face and had been banned by MNS several times. But ultimately I don\'t think I did any good, as it\'s very hard to get through to people once they\'ve made the decision to have a PE procedure. The vast, majority of guys have an uncanny ability to filter out what they don\'t want to hear.

I think a better approach is to try and get guys to question why they want a penis enlargement in the first place and if these reasons justify the risks involved. Basically try and encourage a more rational thought process. Scare tactics usually just piss people off and if the claims can\'t be substantiated, they often only further the determination of those they are aimed at.