TOPIC: The treatment of penile retraction

rkcinflorida wrote: I\'m going next month for another session with Dr. C, and I had signed up for the scrotal botox as well as the PMMA. It appears this thread hasn\'t been updated in a while, was wondering if Dr. C was still doing the botox injections into the dartos? I have severe Turtling issues also, has caused a lot of the PMMA at the base of my penis to bunch together to hard areas and when Erect, these get pulled forward exposing gaps in coverage at the base. I\'m convinced if I can keep myself from Turtling over the several weeks as the PMMA is settling in that it won\'t cause this discrepancy. I use the glans stretcher device, but sometimes, like in summer wearing shorts I can\'t wear it all the time. I hate everytime I have to urinate, or undress to shower like at locker rooms and such I have to pull on my penis to get it to look \"normal\".

Hello, rkc
This new session was your 2nd round? How was it?
Does the Dr got to fill the gaps and correct their effects is hurtling, as mentioned?

what if you just got surgery to prevent the penis from going into the fat pad?
The injections are nice, but it\'s not permanent though right? There are surgeries to prevent penis from retracting into the body which I\'m considering getting.

240 bucks

to be honest smartman, i think he said 100 on the insulin needle but he used 2 needles, it all happened so fast i wasnt paying attention as much as i was wondering whether or not i would be regretting it lol.... so far no problemo

THat doctor in Brazil who also does PMMA enhancements also injects Botox for this purpose. How much more was the cost for this botox injection? Let us know if you find it is worth it.

@swampman
That is a great news about using botox injection to treat Turtling (retraction), but I was thinking it will be much better if Dr. C. would use the botox injection 3 days or more before injecting the PMMA (so that our penises will not turtle during the most important period \"the 1st 48hrs\") But I know it will be difficult for us to visit Dr. C. twice e.g. within a week ???
I hope you will have a great result
BTW they used a big amount of botox 2 insulin syringes (i.e. 2 cc\'s) each syringe filled with 100 IU.

for those that miss my log, i had this done directly after round 2 of PMMA, and it was shot near the base on the bottom area of penis/testicle sack... 2 insulin needles 100 filled each and about 9 spot injections in all... 3 days to see, does lower sperm count though and he injected to treat testicle sack it will help with penis as well

I just brought this idea up with Wade and he seemed really interested, he was the first to note however it taking up to 5 days to see any results.

I think it will be a great idea if someone could show Dr. C. that paper and to know his opinion about it.
I dont think botox will affect EQ and sure it won\'t cause any loss of sensation.
As it is mentioned above:-
1- It will reduce Turtling in 70% of the cases , so it could help guys who are Grower.
2- In regard of post-penile PMMA, in theory it can help but you need to have the botox injection few days before PMMA injection (because botox will start to work after 3-5 days and to see the best result is after a week).

Cassavantes applies facial fillers and Botox too. You might as well ask him directly, he may be interested.

Same here!

Anyone know which Dr would preform this??. I\'d think about this before I got PMMA as I am a major Grower...

I agree with you hoddle :- Botox will help only guys who complain of penile Turtling it will just paralyze Dartos muscle , and not retraction post-penile lengthening surgery due to scar formation.
I think it will help guys who are a Grower and may be it could help in penile PMMA bioplasty by preventing Turtling.

Mexmuscle wrote: I think that option would be great after lengthening surgery, which is precisely when one would want to avoid retraction.

I don\'t think it would make any difference. I think the botox simply freezes tha Dartos fascia which prevents Turtling. I don\'t think Turtling and post surgical retraction are the same thing. Mikehok is the guy to ask, but I think he told me that Turtling is due to the changes in the Dartos fascia due to weather or adrenalin levels etc. Even if your penis wasn\'t turtled, it will still retract i after trauma like surgery. Basically I think, in this study, the term \"retraction\" is used instead of what we would call Turtling.

But will this effect EQ in any way? OR does it have any side effects? such as loss of sensation or?

I think that option would be great after lengthening surgery, which is precisely when one would want to avoid retraction.