TOPIC: PMMA Europe

New here and looking for PMMA info in Europe, im still learning the forum board, i should get used to it soon enough.

Any info on PMMA would be great. Also im uncircumsised and stats of el 6.25 eg 5 . ideally want to get up or over 6 Inch Girth

In my opinion, seeking out a skilled, experienced and qualified practitioner is more important than the specifics of the filler. That said, PMMA appears to be available sparsely throughout Europe but it's hard to ascertain given this forum's language barrier in general.

Ellanse is a similar filler to PMMA (except that it isn't 100% permanent, but long-term temporary) and I do know Androfill in the U.K. offers it. There is a Doctor Czech Republic and in Italy that members have claimed offer PMMA in the past, but their current standing with the filler (let alone their qualifications) is hard to ascertain.

Good luck.

Thank you for the response. I had been looking at andro fill and a few others in the UK for Ellanse but i think its about £2800 per 10ml with Androfill, moorgate its considerably more as they chage a flat fee i think of about £1400 then filler cost on top.
ive heard good reviews of dr Nemeckova. shes seems to not see patients as cash cows. not saying the UK ones do but the reviews ive read on her seem rather good but have no idea if she is still using PMMA or even a way to contact her.

Mooregate has been busted creating shill accounts on this forum multiple times. I consider ethics, or at the very least, learning from your mistakes (i.e. not repeatedly shilling after being caught), as a strong indicator of who to see. There are clinics (that have little to do with penile augmentation expertise) popping up everywhere offering some variation of filler enhancement, most of which aren't worth the cost or time. Experience & expertise is crucial in not only providing a safe procedure, but a relatively satisfactory aesthetic result.

I completely agree about ethics and I wouldn't go to mooregate any how.

I've read enough bad reviews about them to not want to go there. androl fill , if they did a longer option I would consider it but for me I can't justify the cost again.

its just principle. I think the more HA is used the cost will come down but at the moment most uk companies have the luxury to charge what they want ......
I don't wanna base a board sponsor but I'm pretty sure androl fill only wanted to stick with HA why wouldn't they it makes the company the most money with little risk. Wasnt it only from heavy push from forum members they started with Ellanse but they the Ellanse cost is there to make you want to stick with HA.


I've ready countless forum pages from over the last probably 15 years. I just have never joined a site.
I'm now at the stage I want to commit to something longer term. I've had HA , yes it's great but the time duration doesn't justify the cost. As the cost the operative gets paid In the UK is ridiculous for the actual work they do. As more people do it within the UK this cost will come down. As there is less professional closure.

I just want to find a capable doctor who is skilled but also offers something long term that becomes cost effective. As let's face it we bare the risk. If we run into problems we pay the fixing costs. so the operative doesn't really bare much risk to justify the cost. sorry for the rant lol

They (Androfill) offer Ellanse, and by all accounts, it seems to hold up pretty well in the "long-term temporary" category.

Demand probably influenced Androfill to take on Ellanse. You have to remember though, their reluctance may be down to "comfort level", and not just profit. Dermal fillers like PMMA, Ellanse, etc, are long-term and tend to present issues (contour irregularities, ridges, and nodules) that are trickier to resolve than something like HA. I'd even go as far as to say that dermal fillers have a near-inevitability of minor irregularities due to the hard-to-predict nature of collagen production -- this explains why Clinics like Avanti Derma almost always recommend a 2nd Round, for anticipated (minor) Revision.

HA, on the other hand, is a volume filler, giving you precisely the amount and shape you need. It can be dissolved in clinic and is the safest of all cosmetic fillers on the market. So this may explain the "comfort" factor, which I was actually told played a role in their initial resistance to Ellanse. I'm sure profits and margins were considered for sure, but it was demand that ultimately pushed their hand.

yeah i saw a post years ago where everyone was pushing Androfill about Ellanse, what i dont understand is Ellanse s,m,l is alot cheaper then juvederm on perscription yet it is androfills most expensive option as a filler. Like i said for that reason i cant justify Androfill. like you said it could be comfort level and its why i think they do try price people out of it but some will do it and then Androfill make mega money as like i said it is way cheaper then juvederm on perscription.

i wouldnt walk into an audi garage or mercedes garage and offer them twice the asking price on a car or any other item for that matter.

are Avanti Derma well reviewed ?

Well I've been actually thinking that the filler material seems to be a bit 'overpriced' - especially Ellanse on Androfill. More or less Ellanse when compared to other fillers. So how much does it costs per ml/cl on other places that use it as a filler - not necessarily on penis, but in general.

And I've also come to thought that how much would the filler - any of them would cost if I'd buy necessary amount (20 to 30ml) for my self and tried to find a suitable practitioner / surgeon / Urologist who'd be willing to do the injection? I also know some people in the field of health care. Just a hypothetical thought. I don't even know if its possible to buy this stuff or other fillers without owning some sort of business / having some kind of permission for it.

Buying the filler is very easy in the UK and we are are not talking the copy crap from china. real filler that can be traced back to the companies by serial numbers and so on and bought from pharmacies. dont quote me but i think a low level nursing qualification is enough or even a low level 3 beauty qualification is enough to buy filler in the uk from a pharmacy.

Ellanse l is like £100 a ml/cc , cheaper if bought in bulk. Again dont quote me as this.... but proves my point how much uk practitioners getting masive profit when doing Ellanse.
BUT finding a skilled person to do the injections is the issue. Its why Androfill and others can charge what they do. as at the minute not many are practiced in it.


you dont want some new trying it with a product like Ellanse l. And if using HA remember the chance of them messing up and needing to use the reversal stuff is high meaning then its cost more then uk companies by the time you are finished

In the Uk as more people do it they will have to drop the prices. As the competition will force their hand. Its not the filler price creating the issue its companies knowing some men will trade their left arm for a bigger unit. They all spowt the stats of male anxiety , this is not bashing Androfill or any other company. its cold hard economics.

My wife is paying 4k for boobs , and thats a full on opperation in uk , fully put under. with the best mentor implants , with a top uk surgeon , a day in hsopital , full garments and nurses looking after her and a full year surgury guarrantee.

Us men get robbed haha

Heimdall wrote: Well I've been actually thinking that the filler material seems to be a bit 'overpriced' - especially Ellanse on Androfill. More or less Ellanse when compared to other fillers. So how much does it costs per ml/cl on other places that use it as a filler - not necessarily on penis, but in general.

And I've also come to thought that how much would the filler - any of them would cost if I'd buy necessary amount (20 to 30ml) for my self and tried to find a suitable practitioner / surgeon / Urologist who'd be willing to do the injection? I also know some people in the field of health care. Just a hypothetical thought. I don't even know if its possible to buy this stuff or other fillers without owning some sort of business / having some kind of permission for it.

I wouldn't trust a doctor who would perform a procedure on you with the fillers you bought on the open (or black) market. If he doesn't have a licensed distributor, it's highly unethical to take walk-ins with people handing them syringes in my opinion... nevermind the risk of just a bad result.

Also, I totally believe in competition and bring options to my readers and better prices; however, this isn't a field like female cosmetic medicine, where every other clinic on the block offers a procedure. Penile augmentation remains an experimental field and there is indeed a skillset in providing both the know-how and satisfactory results, and they come at a premium. In other words, if I wanted a tattoo, I want a reasonable market price, but I'd certainly pay a "little more" if that meant getting the best tattoo artist in my town versus a guy who just opened a shop. That "premium" gives me added reassurance I'm working with an expert and not just someone taking advantage of a cash cow operation.

My hope is to continue bringing on Sponsors to drive a healthy competition. I also encourage them to pass down specials and discounts from time to time; Androfill has a 5% discount to all PhalloBoards members which could very well pay for travel or lodging. Every bit helps. I'd like to have a 2nd European Sponsor but it remains a challenge because (a) language barriers with non-British brands and (b) most other UK options aren't meeting the standards to make the cut (see "Mooregate").

can't fault your effort with the forum and stuff bud hats off to you.

I'm hoping as it becomes more known more people will do these kinds of procedures. let's face it HA is still rather new in terms of the new longevity of up to 2 years.

No doubt Androfill are doing their bit to improve its exposure and use in penis enlargment.


i just don't like professional closure, its rather elitist and against why people actually become Dr's in the first place. I'm not against making money, no one should work for free and doctors should be paid well but there should be limits. At the end of the day this is a 30min procedure using a canula.

I have emailed various people now about PMMA. Hopefully this week I may get a response. if not, back to the drawing board. I've put by around £5k for procedures . travel not included. hopefully I can find someone who can offer what I want, modest gain (I'd be happy with 0.5 Inch as it stands) but permanent or at least with the intention to try get 5-7 years out of it.

Definitely agree with you @Skeptical_One

There's nothing worse than a monopoly in any niche, and although we can't 100% say Androfill doesn't yet have a monopoly in Ellanse injections, it's not far off.
Not saying they don't deserve it, it's just the customers get the short end of the stick.

I've tried searching quite a few forums for PF, in Harley St, London (same as Androfill.
They have quite a few before/after photos on their websites which look decent and have even stated unhappy Androfill customers end up going to them for corrections. I don't know how true this is, but it seems odd no one has reported PFs results on here or anywhere else.

This is precisely why I will be testing them out for more exposure and to report my results on PhalloBoards for others to consider, or disqualify, depending on the outcome.

Keep up the great work @Skeptical_One !

I wouldn't make much of their remarks re: other clinic's "unhappy" patients, it's more-or-less a sales pitch. I mean, I know of Avanti Derma patients who've seen other physicians after the fact, and you can't make everyone happy.

Sure, and they won't exactly say their own clients were unhappy and went elsewhere. It's as you say, whichever company you use, whatever the niche, it's not possible to guarantee 100% success and happy customers.

I will only be able to comment on my own experience and time will tell.