Mo05e88 wrote: Buying the filler is very easy in the UK and we are are not talking the copy crap from china. real filler that can be traced back to the companies by serial numbers and so on and bought from pharmacies. dont quote me but i think a low level nursing qualification is enough or even a low level 3 beauty qualification is enough to buy filler in the uk from a pharmacy.
Ellanse l is like £100 a ml/cc , cheaper if bought in bulk. Again dont quote me as this.... but proves my point how much uk practitioners getting masive profit when doing Ellanse.
BUT finding a s
you dont want some new trying it with a product like ellanse l. And if using Ha remember the chance of them messing up and needing to use the reversal stuff is high meaning then its cost more then uk companies by the time you are finished
In the Uk as more people do it they will have to drop the prices. As the competition will force their hand. Its not the filler price creating the issue its companies knowing some men will trade their left arm for a bigger unit. They all spowt the stats of male anxiety , this is not bashing androfill or any other company. its cold hard economics.
My wife is paying 4k for boobs , and thats a full on opperation in uk , fully put under. with the best mentor implants , with a top uk surgeon , a day in hsopital , full garments and nurses looking after her and a full year surgury guarrantee.
Us men get robbed haha
Mo05e88 wrote: Buying the filler is very easy in the UK and we are are not talking the copy crap from china. real filler that can be traced back to the companies by serial numbers and so on and bought from pharmacies. dont quote me but i think a low level nursing qualification is enough or even a low level 3 beauty qualification is enough to buy filler in the uk from a pharmacy.
Ellanse l is like £100 a ml/cc , cheaper if bought in bulk. Again dont quote me as this.... but proves my point how much uk practitioners getting masive profit when doing Ellanse.
BUT finding a s
you dont want some new trying it with a product like ellanse l. And if using Ha remember the chance of them messing up and needing to use the reversal stuff is high meaning then its cost more then uk companies by the time you are finished
In the Uk as more people do it they will have to drop the prices. As the competition will force their hand. Its not the filler price creating the issue its companies knowing some men will trade their left arm for a bigger unit. They all spowt the stats of male anxiety , this is not bashing androfill or any other company. its cold hard economics.
My wife is paying 4k for boobs , and thats a full on opperation in uk , fully put under. with the best mentor implants , with a top uk surgeon , a day in hsopital , full garments and nurses looking after her and a full year surgury guarrantee.
Us men get robbed haha
I know the calculations for your wife's breast augmentation.
Mentor implants £475
Anesthetist £250
Garments £45 (Macom)
Theatre 45 mins £975 (this includes the nursing support).
Surgeon's fee £400
At this point one could think £1,855 profit per boob job is quite high.
But it is not as simple as that.
There are also the following costs:
Marketing £550-600 (this is more expensive than the fee paid to the doctor).
Compliance and training (extensive rules and regulations to ensure patient safety) £150
Staff, marketing, aftercare, IT, accounting £400
Insurance £300
What is left over is around £400 per procedure, and this is without provisioning for revisions.
In summary a number of ‘Mega Firms’ such as MYA and Harley Medical are performing Breast Augmentation in a ‘conveyer belt’ style, for virtually no profit. If you check the financial accounts of these large firms they are all running at a loss. MYA (the largest provider of breast aug surgery) has been in and out of insolvency management for years and Harley Medical Group was struggling to make a profit a number of years ago and so decided to cut costs through buying breast implants from a French farmer turned industrial silicone merchant (google Breast Implant PIP scandal).
This then caused the 10,000 or so women to have to pay to take the illegal implants out.
The only way your wife can pay as little as £4,000 for breast implants is because either a shareholder of the firm, or a bank is propping up the clinic and effectively subsiding the procedure (it is loss-making at £4,000 if all costs are included). Breast implants need to be £5,500 to make a true sustainable profit. For you and your wife it is great, you are getting a procedure for less than the true cost. Each firm is essentially holding out and hoping that the competitor will fail allowing them to then increase the price to a sustainable level.
Ellanse is the most profitable product for us if we do not account for the risk. If we do factor in the risk it is the same risk-adjusted profit as HA. This way we do not have any preference financially to offer Ellanse or HA and that should be pretty clear in the way we market and the way Dr. Horn describes the filler during a consultation generally "Ellanse is risky, you probably should not take Ellanse, you are safer to try Hyaluronic acid".
The idea that Androfill is buying Ellanse filler for £100 and selling it for £300 and therefore making £2,000 on a 10 ml procedure is incorrect.
The end profit to Dr. Horn from an Ellanse procedure is around £25 per ml or £250 per patient.
Arguably this is not bad if it takes half an hour for the consultation and half an hour for the procedure.
The profit to the clinic is around £10-15 per ml.
I have removed some of the detail from the calculations of income, but if anyone is interested they can email
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In brief:
Ellanse M we buy for £195 per box of 2 +VAT = £234 or £117 per ml.
Procedure price = £300 per ml
- £117 filler
= £183
- clinic insurance we work this out to be £9 per ml (£90 per patient)
- premises £210 per hour = £21 per ml on a 10 ml patient
We also provide unlimited free checkups, so if you have come back a few times and we need to do revisions, the clinic time alone can easily become a higher cost than Dr. Horn's fee. Dr. Horn does not want to cut the cost of the premises and move to 'consulting rooms' because they are not sterile and he fears patients getting infections and so on. When you are coming to Androfill you are coming to an actual hospital.
- staff around £15 per ml
- Dr Horn's medical liability insurance £10.20 per ml
- Marketing (this includes websites, seo and google ads agency fees, google ads, bing ads and so on), this is a significant £450 per patient or £45 per ml). This is the number 1 cost aside from filler.
- Disposables per patient £15 per ml (this means Emla cream, cannula, lidocaine, saline, scrub etc, hyalase if a revision is needed).
- Subscriptions, memberships, and compliance around £4 per ml
- Accountants £4 per ml
- Finance charges (overdraft, borrowings) £4.50 per ml
- Credit card fees £4.90 per ml
- IT (things like the booking system, upgrades to website, storage of patient data) - £4 per ml.
= 51.3 per ml
Tax = £10
£41.3
- Dr Horn profit £25
- Clinic £15
There are a few things not accounted for here.
- Depreciation
- Revisions and legal (this is why we do our best to avoid complications, complications come out of Dr Horn's £25 per ml / £250 per person)
- We could also consider that Dr Horn studying all those years to become a plastic surgeon deserves £250 per patient (factoring in all the costs of education and so on).
I have probably forgotten a few costs.
The UK is already so hyper-competitive for cosmetic surgery that most firms are either loss-making or cutting corners to make a profit.
If anyone doubts how competitive the UK is, compare the price for 10 ml of Voluma at Androfil UK (£1,990) to Androfill USA ($7,900 or 3.5x the price).
Note: These calculations apply to UK, there is more margin and profitability in USA and Australia.
As we know the figures in the UK we know when another firm is cutting corners on something (be that insurance or premises or security of patient data, or just downright sleight of hand type deals or confusing marketing).
When I see XYZfill competitor offers £300 less for 10 ml we know this is likely a parallel imported filler, or at worst a fake or chinese filler, or perhaps they are skipping on premium insurance or premises or similar.
The aspect of the price a patient pays which is a waste is the marketing. If we didn't have to market the price would fall £40-45 per ml.
The remaining components of the price of a procedure should be seen as an investment more than as a cost. The investment in your penis is to have this procedure done in an actual hospital, by a surgeon, who is properly insured should a disaster occur; to be able to come back for checkups at no charge, and also to know that we are actually making some income so we can do things properly rather than cutting corners. You also have an informed person such as myself on the other end of the phone following a procedure, rather than customer support person who might not be able to provide valuable assistance.
